Why is liberal such a terrible word?

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    This is a serious question so please try to put some thought and logic behind your answers.

    Based on a definition from American Heritage Dictionary the meaning of liberal is not such a horrible thing. I am curious as to how the word liberal ended up being such a dirty word. What is it that liberals promote and support in general terms that is bad for the country as a whole? Please don’t pick one particular individual to be an example liberals, such as Clinton. I would like to get a view of liberals as a group, something to the effect that “liberals in general support abortion”. When you write sweeping generalizations such as “liberals hate values” please explain how you came up with that conclusion.

    Based on the same dictionary the conservatives tend to oppose change. For me that would imply maintaining status quo which does not necessarily equate that status quo is beneficial for the society. In today’s world societies must evolve to adjust to the ever changing environment, such as with technological advancements, woman’s position in the society, etc.

    Obviously the meaning of liberal and conservative cannot be reduced to a few sentences in a dictionary. Both terms must be more complex. So, how do liberals and conservatives compare, be it in public education, gun control etc. How is any particular stand by each respective group god/bad for the society?



    American Heritage Dictionary (just one of many possible definitions):

    Liberal:
    Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry. b. Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded. c. Of, relating to, or characteristic of liberalism. d. Liberal Of, designating, or characteristic of a political party founded on or associated with principles of social and political liberalism, especially in Great Britain, Canada, and the United States.

    Conservative:
    Favoring traditional views and values; tending to oppose change
     
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    These dictionary defintions are really not quite accurate. Liberalism used to mean the positive things above. Today, liberalism means refusing to see reality, appeasing mass murderers for fear of the political correctness police, opposition to values, socialism, AntiAmericanism, etc.
     
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    Hey 777, what did you think of that lie festival known as the Democratic Convention where Kerry and the other commies pretended to be patriotic?
     
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    Can't say anything about it since I didn't see it.
     
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    Don't you think it was a great opportunity for the party to show it's unity, vision and positive message? That John Kerry is a real hero.
    :thewave:

    Bush won Florida.
     
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    But back to the topic. Today's liberals are simpleminded intellectually fearful implementors of a suicide meme unleashed into america by the illuminati, basically.
     
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    Works for me.
     
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    The people we characterize a "liberal" today don't fit the original definition.

    I believe that in the past a "liberal" education included a study of western thought and the classics. The idea was that by doing so would give a person a broader education.

    Now at least some "liberals" seem to be hell bent on erasing western values and culture. Many of those liberals even seem to think that Western Civilization is evil. Given that, I think the term "socialist" or "neo-Marxist" might be a better term.
     
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    Beautifully said, after I ran for the dictionary! :eek:

    The Democrats of the past had 'ideals' and ideas to back them up. Sometimes they'd get carried away, (see FDR and new programs), but the party leadership as a whole did have 'concern' for the people. (Mind you, I'm staying in 20th C).

    Today the Democratic Party no longer has substance, it's all rhetoric. At the latest it began in the midst of Johnson's administration. There were good leaders still around, though by the time I was old enough to really pay attention, most of them were gone. (Thinking of Humphrey, Stevenson, Moynihan, Mansfield, etc.) Right now I can think of any leaders within the party that strike me as idealistic, maybe Breaux of LA?

    The whole message seems to be, "Here's how the government can make your life bearable! We KNOW you're too stupid to figure it out yourself."
     
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    I am FAR from simple-minded and nowhere NEAR intellectually fearful. and yes, I am still a liberal. :finger:
     

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