Why is liberal such a terrible word?

[winston churchi]

The people we characterize a "liberal" today don't fit the original definition.

I believe that in the past a "liberal" education included a study of western thought and the classics. The idea was that by doing so would give a person a broader education.

Now at least some "liberals" seem to be hell bent on erasing western values and culture. Many of those liberals even seem to think that Western Civilization is evil. Given that, I think the term "socialist" or "neo-Marxist" might be a better term.

Much is true....the liberals of years gone by - I mean from JFK and back are completely differnent to the liberals of today.
I used to be one and had this image that people should do what they want when they want and the conservatives were stuffed shirts - who had hard nosed opinions of everything. I used to think that if a job opened up - it should be offered to the minority (whoever that happened to be) before offering it to anyone else...why? Because they need more opportunities than anyone else...than I realized - you know, the whole light in attick thing going on - that its up to you...Today I think of liberals as people who want everything for nothing...whinning all the time ... instead of blaming yourself for your own woes, blame society....if your kid is holy terror - it is societies fault - if you murder someone - its societies fault....

 

[Comrade]

Personally, I think today's 'progressive' is probably of a practical libertarian bent-meaning me! I wish the Libertarians would find a candidate that would excite a large segment of the electorate! Not happening, sorry Travis.

It's nearly a given that those of a Libertarian bent will be pragmatists, thus voting for Bush, since the alternative is not acceptable. The Left wishes the Naderites would get this.

As Gopjeff posted earlier, I DO care, deeply, about 1st and 2nd amendment rights, but not at the expense of post 9/11 realities! Get a grip Travis!

I'm also more Libertarian aside from being very foriegn policy focused as of late.

Progressive policy to me is Bush with a flair for public speaking and more charisma. And also a Republican will to slash spending on everything but the military.

Just good old Bush as we know him is same old - same old.

Regression is Kerry, who get's back to Clintonian social programs and minority preferences and greater evironmental tradeoffs with the economy.

Progress is fewer church sponsored federal programs and I guess I have to admit, fewer gripes from Europe.

But they all pale to foriegn policy issues and my concerns about how Kerry will demonstrate "progressive" policy with our national security.

 

[Annie]

I'm also more Libertarian aside from being very foriegn policy focused as of late.

Progressive policy to me is Bush with a flair for public speaking and more charisma. And also a Republican will to slash spending on everything but the military.

Just good old Bush as we know him is same old - same old.

Regression is Kerry, who get's back to Clintonian social programs and minority preferences and greater evironmental tradeoffs with the economy.

Progress is fewer church sponsored federal programs and I guess I have to admit, fewer gripes from Europe.

But they all pale to foriegn policy issues and my concerns about how Kerry will demonstrate "progressive" policy with our national security.

Travis, I hope I'm not shockin' ya here. Ya got two fairly weak GOP votes, that just can't go with you, though domestically we might be swayed. Not gonna matter, 9/11 changed it! Keep in mind in 2 years!

 

[Comrade]

Travis, I hope I'm not shockin' ya here. Ya got two fairly weak GOP votes, that just can't go with you, though domestically we might be swayed. Not gonna matter, 9/11 changed it! Keep in mind in 2 years!

LOL, you called me Travis from my Yahoo ID. I lied!

I hate the domestic bloating of the Rebublican government but I have no doubt Kerry will meet and perhaps exceed this spending budget, and perhaps shift much of it away from the military budget and fail to deliver the knockout blow to Wahabbi fundamentalism.

And I also feel Kerry and Theresa are utter snots and they're never going to make me feel so good as I felt when Bush arrived in Baghdad on Thanksgiving, or spoke to Americans in a way that demonstrated his humanity and humility in a way I have nothing to compare against among other Presidents of our past. I honestly trust Bush and see things that are honestly so real it makes me feel safe to have him where he is.

You know what I mean:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/bush/faulkner.asp

 

[Annie]

LOL, you called me Travis from my Yahoo ID. I lied!

I hate the domestic bloating of the Rebublican government but I have no doubt Kerry will meet and perhaps exceed this spending budget, and perhaps shift much of it away from the military budget and fail to deliver the knockout blow to Wahabbi fundamentalism.

And I also feel Kerry and Theresa are utter snots and they're never going to make me feel so good as I felt when Bush arrived in Baghdad on Thanksgiving, or spoke to Americans in a way that demonstrated his humanity and humility in a way I have nothing to compare against among other Presidents of our past. I honestly trust Bush and see things that are honestly so real it makes me feel safe to have him where he is.

You know what I mean:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/bush/faulkner.asp

I got ya, though not quite sure how! Dam ya! Bottom line, most important issues facing those that 'lean' Libertarian' are concerning WOT. A war according to Travis, the BADNARIK spokesperson, is a non-issue. 9/11 was the US fault, for if we had stayed within our own borders, this 'terrible day' would not have happened.

 

[Comrade]

I got ya, though not quite sure how! Dam ya! Bottom line, most important issues facing those that 'lean' Libertarian' are concerning WOT. A war according to Travis, the BADNARIK spokesperson, is a non-issue. 9/11 was the US fault, for if we had stayed within our own borders, this 'terrible day' would not have happened.

Travis is making me angry. I also feel a sense of repulsion from the behavior of Theresa. She is asked what she mean by "Unamerican" in her speech and instead of explaining what that meant she acts like it's a lie that she said it and then runs up and down the stairs twice before running back to the reporter who is now half way down the hall and does some kind of routine I can only ascribe as "bizzare" behavior, although I know well enough this woman never had to account for a thing in her life.

This frightens me, and kitty too.

Theresa,

 

[Annie]

Travis is making me angry. I also feel a sense of repulsion from the behavior of Theresa. She is asked what she mean by "Unamerican" in her speech and instead of explaining what that meant she acts like it's a lie that she said it and then runs up and down the stairs twice before running back to the reporter who is now half way down the hall and does some kind of routine I can only ascribe as "bizzare" behavior, although I know well enough this woman never had to account for a thing in her life.

This frightens me, and kitty too.

Theresa,

OMG, as long as the monkey is under control! How's the gerbil?

http://www.allahpundit.com/archives/000751.html

though I can live with the Hummel, (how much will ya give me?)

http://www.indcjournal.com/archives/000704.php

 

[Comrade]

OMG, as long as the monkey is under control! How's the gerbil?

http://www.allahpundit.com/archives/000751.html

though I can live with the Hummel, (how much will ya give me?)

http://www.indcjournal.com/archives/000704.php

I'm still checking out the Space Monkey and Feces Flinging monkey blogs and of course Allah and INDC are standard fair for the likes of me and you.

Hey Kathianne, you should start a blog. I'll make up the name if you want.

 

[Annie]

I'm still checking out the Space Monkey and Feces Flinging monkey blogs and of course Allah and INDC are standard fair for the likes of me and you.

Hey Kathianne, you should start a blog. I'll make up the name if you want.

OMG, where do we go from flying monkey feces??? dam! LOL :nine: Now on other matters....

 

[Comrade]

OMG, where do we go from flying monkey feces??? dam! LOL :nine: Now on other matters....

I still wonder who is Spacemonkey?

http://www.usmessageboard.com/forums/member.php?u=1725

 

[Annie]

In my 'travels' I've run across spacemonkey, he thinks we should be married by now! Don't you listen to the monkey!

 

[KarlMarx]

Personally, I think today's 'progressive' is probably of a practical libertarian bent-meaning me! I wish the Libertarians would find a candidate that would excite a large segment of the electorate! Not happening, sorry Travis.

It's nearly a given that those of a Libertarian bent will be pragmatists, thus voting for Bush, since the alternative is not acceptable. The Left wishes the Naderites would get this.

As Gopjeff posted earlier, I DO care, deeply, about 1st and 2nd amendment rights, but not at the expense of post 9/11 realities! Get a grip Travis!

In the 1960s, the hippies and their cohorts rebelled against the entrenched "establishment". They thought it was time for a change because they saw something wrong with society. So they became known as being progressive and forward thinking.

Fast forward to the 21st century....many of those hippies and their cohorts now run the country. They are university presidents, judges, senators and so on. And no, they don't want to change things unless it suits THEIR agenda. Their answer to everything .... more government spending, more assaults on the First Amendment....same as the answers that they had in the 1960s....

So now it's time to protest against the phony fascist liberal establishment and the plastic society that they are trying to create. Yeah, man, those liberals are trying to to force their bad karma on us conservatives. Time to turn on the radio, tune in to Rush and drop out of that plastic liberal scene, baby.

Groovy, baby!!!!!!

 

[Annie]

In the 1960s, the hippies and their cohorts rebelled against the entrenched "establishment". They thought it was time for a change because they saw something wrong with society. So they became known as being progressive and forward thinking.

Fast forward to the 21st century....many of those hippies and their cohorts now run the country. They are university presidents, judges, senators and so on. And no, they don't want to change things unless it suits THEIR agenda. Their answer to everything .... more government spending, more assaults on the First Amendment....same as the answers that they had in the 1960s....

So now it's time to protest against the phony fascist liberal establishment and the plastic society that they are trying to force on us conservatives. Time to turn on the radio, tune in to Rush and drop out of the liberal mindset.

Groovy, baby!!!!!!

I hear ya! Peace, love and groovin. Problem for me is I'm a bit behind that generation. Want some 'proof'. Not quite 70's, nor quite 80's. I'm a tweener.

 

[Said1]

But back to the topic. Today's liberals are simpleminded intellectually fearful implementors of a suicide meme unleashed into america by the illuminati, basically.

The illuminati :rotflmao: Ssshhhh, they might be listening.

 

[Avatar4321]

Liberal is a terrible word because its the idealogy adopted by the neocommunist movement that has slowly but surely eroding American values. Americans have seen what liberal ideas to and dont like them.

 

[007]

http://www.useless-knowledge.com/articles/new/021.html


When Good Liberals Go Bad
May 29, 2003

Liberals USED to be full of good ideas. Social Security, minimum wage laws, the ACLU and labor unions were all fairly good ideas when they started, at least. Sure, they failed miserably with age, but you can't deny they were originally intended to help someone, somewhere. Liberals used to stand for compassion and protection of American freedoms, even if they had misguided ideas about how to implement that protection.
Now, however, they are the new Thought Police, making us all look over our shoulders whenver we express any opinion that conflicts with the proper political correctness we are all supposed to display at all times. That USED to be called "freedom of expression" -- remember it? Remember when people laughed at TV characters like Archie Bunker, the lovable bigot? Sure, everyone (except maybe my dad) understood how wrong his opinions were about minorities, but no one would have thought to "stifle" his right to express them. These days, expressing your own opinion, if not politically correct, is called some kind of "ism" and can get you sentenced to brainwashing -- excuse me, "sensitivity training".

Today's liberals stand for nothing American, embrace nothing American, and help nobody American.

Today's liberals are personified by the ACLU -- fighting for the rights of everybody EXCEPT law-abiding Americans.

Today's liberals march arm-in-arm with the World Workers Party -- which used to be less-euphemistically known as the World Communist Party -- to protest against Americans removing an unclean tyrant like Saddam Hussein from power. The WWP claims they are trying to protect the world from American imperialist aggression. On their web site http://www.workers.org/wwp.php they state "We're for socialism. We think that ownership of the tremendous productive wealth built up by hundreds of millions of workers can't remain in the hands of a privileged few."

What I wonder is, who is protecting America from the Thought Police? And if I complain, will I be sentenced to "sensitivity training"?

 

[deciophobic]

These dictionary defintions are really not quite accurate. Liberalism used to mean the positive things above. Today, liberalism means refusing to see reality, appeasing mass murderers for fear of the political correctness police, opposition to values, socialism, AntiAmericanism, etc.

:fu2:

 

[KarlMarx]

http://www.useless-knowledge.com/articles/new/021.html


When Good Liberals Go Bad
May 29, 2003

Liberals USED to be full of good ideas. Social Security, minimum wage laws, the ACLU and labor unions were all fairly good ideas when they started, at least. Sure, they failed miserably with age, but you can't deny they were originally intended to help someone, somewhere. Liberals used to stand for compassion and protection of American freedoms, even if they had misguided ideas about how to implement that protection.
Now, however, they are the new Thought Police, making us all look over our shoulders whenver we express any opinion that conflicts with the proper political correctness we are all supposed to display at all times. That USED to be called "freedom of expression" -- remember it? Remember when people laughed at TV characters like Archie Bunker, the lovable bigot? Sure, everyone (except maybe my dad) understood how wrong his opinions were about minorities, but no one would have thought to "stifle" his right to express them. These days, expressing your own opinion, if not politically correct, is called some kind of "ism" and can get you sentenced to brainwashing -- excuse me, "sensitivity training".

Today's liberals stand for nothing American, embrace nothing American, and help nobody American.

Today's liberals are personified by the ACLU -- fighting for the rights of everybody EXCEPT law-abiding Americans.

Today's liberals march arm-in-arm with the World Workers Party -- which used to be less-euphemistically known as the World Communist Party -- to protest against Americans removing an unclean tyrant like Saddam Hussein from power. The WWP claims they are trying to protect the world from American imperialist aggression. On their web site http://www.workers.org/wwp.php they state "We're for socialism. We think that ownership of the tremendous productive wealth built up by hundreds of millions of workers can't remain in the hands of a privileged few."

What I wonder is, who is protecting America from the Thought Police? And if I complain, will I be sentenced to "sensitivity training"?

Regardless of the original intentions for Social Security and minimum wage laws, they simply are not good ideas.

Social Security is a pay as you go plan. That is, the people who are currently working are paying for the current beneficiaries. This works so long as the population keeps increasing, but quickly falls apart when the population starts to decline.

Minimum wage laws are also not a good idea, although they are well intended. Employers respond to minimum wage laws by hiring fewer people and requiring those that are already employeed to work more overtime. Thus the long range effect of minimum wage laws is less employment amongst low skilled workers. Another effect of minimum wage laws is to move the work where there are no minimum wage laws (i.e. overseas).

The reason that Social Security and minimum wage laws failed miserably with age is because, economically, they weren't good ideas to begin with.

On a different note, I recently saw a rerun of "Archie Bunker's Place" (a spin off of "All In The Family" that was also produced by Norman Lear and aired during the late 1970s and early to mid 1980s) . The first thing that I noticed was frequent criticism of Ronald Reagan and his policies. Being twenty years older (and presumably, wiser) made me notice the bias of those two shows.

"All In The Family" was used as a way for Norman Lear to express his Left Wing political views under the guise of comedy. Certainly, the show addressed bigotry against blacks and other minorities, which made it a ground breaking show and deservedly so. However, the jokes were more often about Republicans e.g. Nixon and Conservatives e.g. Reagan, and rarely the Left. In fact, many times characters that were Republican or Conservative were portrayed as being stupid, bigoted or as extremists. It is no coincidence that both Norman Lear and Bob Reiner (aka "meathead") are active in Left Wing political causes.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

:fu2:

Great rebuttal!

 

[deciophobic]

Great rebuttal!

if your post wasn't so idiotic and ignorant I would have bothered to give you a decent response.