Why is a State Religion a bad idea ?

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    For the record, I DO NOT believe there should be a State Religion
    and I believe most people do, as well.

    Why is it "bad" or why do you think it is bad ?

    But as Locke argued and as I believe,
    the government lacked authority in the area of individual conscience.
    and the social contract should avoid it....
     
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    We have enough problems interpreting the laws WE right.

    The Churches (and I'm a Christian) more often than not, have the right idea, but no documentation to back them up that can pass a thorough examination. While most honest scholars will give credence to much of what the Bible says and what happened in the First Century, there is enough obscurity to give doubter an opening.

    Perhaps that is the intent of the Lord, to test who will believe and who will not, but that isn't really what this thread is about.

    Given all that, politicians already lie about what laws say, imagine the lies if they started talking about what God meant!
     
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    The story of Henry the Eighth and his daughters should be enough warning for us. With the common man caught in the crossfire, the English crown switched religions back and forth and then put to death the "heretics" that followed the father or the rival sibling, using the "faith" as an excuse. A difference in dogma became a treasonous act.

    If the State chooses a religion, than any deviation from the religion ends with burning people at the stake or hangings.

    Imagine if Romney were elected and then proclaimed that Mormonism was the official state religion. That EVERYONE must convert or be tried for treason.

    Or it turned out Obama really was a secret Muslim and proclaimed America an Islamic state outlawing all other faiths and then arresting, jailing and putting to death anyone who refused to convert?

    That is what a State religion becomes.

    We enjoy a freedom here that must NEVER be compromised. We are free to worship ( or not ) as we please without the fear of punishment from an opressive monarch or regime.

    We should protect that with our lives.
     
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    Theocracy is , no doubt a statist form of gov't

    However, I see nothing wrong with local gov'ts or federal for that matter
    putting up religious decorations that represent the different faiths.
    I really do not view that as a "state" religion but more as a reflection of the political body.
    If the people are upset by it then they can vote accordingly


    Up to the mid 1800's, some states actually had an official state religion since
    it was not allowed at the Federal level but that did not exclude states from doing it
     
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    Well, now your talking an entire different thing. Allowing the 'citizens' to express their religious beliefs is a far cry from government dictating religion.

    The former, by law, cannot be restricted...the latter should be fought by everyone.
     
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    Agree

    I was just making a point

    Some do argue that such things are a De facto, State Religion
     
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    Agreed.

    The annual war over Christmas sucks the life out of everything every damned year.

    There is NO WAY to please everyone. If one is in the minority one must simply accept the fact that the majority is going to cater to its own belief system and by doing so is NOT marginalizing or negating your beliefs.

    oh...and when did Happy Holidays become a damned warcry???? We used to use it to encompass both Christmas and New Years. Sigh....
     
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    Beats Me..but when someone says, Happy Holidays to Me, I say (always) Merry Christmas..

    No one has ever been offended by it..

    Imagine that.
     
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    A Simple reason. The Scriptures teach us that God wants a willing heart and a willing mind. The government only works with the use of force. If we believe the scriptures then empowering the government to force people to believe is contrary to God's commandments. The scriptures are clear "Choose this day whom you will serve." It is a privilege and opportunity to serve God. We are blessed when we geniunely serve Him and not when it's forced upon us.
     
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    It's worked out so well in Iran, hasn't it?
     

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