ChrisL
Diamond Member
The only thing I like about Trump is that he has both the main parties kind of freaking out. THAT is a good thing. The "establishment" fears him. Perhaps because he can't be "bought"? It's hilarious how upset they are about him beating out their "chosen" candidates and now the dems are fearing he might be out the Hill bag. Lol. I respect that.
Red:
I think the thing(s) to like about Trump have to do with what he's accomplished rather than with Trump himself. I like that he's highlighted that there exists a large quantity of folks who are genuinely disgusted with the existing state of politics and how the political process happens.
I think that is good, for those people need to and deserve to be heard, even if all of their ideas, sentiments and desires do not deserve to be expressed and/or implemented in U.S. public policy. Indeed, some of their ideas, like those aired by that quack butler and the white supremacists, deserve to be heard only so that we know how populous they are and can, knowing that, develop effective means of marginalizing them.
There is also a significant thing to dislike about what Trump has done to the campaign process that is well worth not wanting to see happen to the actual process of governance. What he's done is make a mockery of the truth by rarely telling it. Additionally, he's made the campaign process one wherein insults and exploiting what voters don't actually know (be it through no real fault of their own or not) and by pandering to their specious suspicions. Yes, eventually even his supporters will figure out they've been duped. The trouble is that many of them are so dissatisfied at the moment that they may not come to their senses and critically examine Trump's comments until after they've put is lying ass in the White House. Well, then it's too late.
Moreover, there's plenty more not to like about Trump the man.
- The outright lying about his own actions, actions he admitted to or demonstrated in the past, and lying about what he owns. There just isn't any reason to lie about those things other than to "steal" headlines and keep the press saying negative things about him, which tends to in turn make the ignoramuses among supporters (far too large a share of his supporters, IMO) like him all the more for the most absurd of reasons. Two examples:
- The publicist that today isn't Trump, but that years ago was him. He attested to being John Barron under oath in open court.
- Not knowing anything about David Duke, yet years back he knew enough to have things to say about David Duke.
- "We have Trump Steaks." Ummm...no, you had Bush Brothers steaks.
- "I own [Trump Winery] 100 percent, no mortgage, no debt." Well, no, actually your son own that and the winery's website makes a point of saying, "Trump Winery is a registered trade name of Eric Trump Wine Manufacturing LLC, which is not owned, managed or affiliated with Donald J. Trump, The Trump Organization or any of their affiliates."
- The outright lying about points of fact. (Just two examples are below.)
Foreign Policy/International Relations
- Trump: "I got to know [Putin] very well because we were both on 60 Minutes, we were stablemates and we did very well that night." (from the 4th GOP debate)
- Point of fact: The two men appeared on the same show, but their respective segments/comments were taped separately, Trump in his NY offices and Putin thousands of miles away in Moscow.
- Trump: The TPP "was designed for China to come in, as they always do, through the back door and totally take advantage of everyone,” and currency manipulation “is not even discussed." He claimed that China would be the big winner if the Obama administration’s huge Trans-Pacific Partnership trade deal is allowed to move forward. (from the 4th GOP debate)
- Point of fact: China is not a party to the TPP. The reddish colored countries shown below are the parties in the TPP. (click the image to access the source)
- Point of Fact: The TPP has provisions about currency manipulation.
- The flexibility before he's actually gotten the nomination or won the general election. So far Trump's stuck to his "build the wall" claim. I would not put it past him, however, to build a three foot wall somewhere and tell us that he's kept his promise. That's the substance of what he's done with his "ban the Muslims" call that has become a suggestion.
You'll recall his express words were "Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on." Now, he's trying to say it was just a suggestion. Well, I bid you look at the definition of the verb "call." You will not find one "flavor" of that word's meaning that denotes or connotes suggestion, that is, a "slight indication." I doubt that anyone is going to say that we have "figured out what is going on."As go the outright lies, there're more of them. One need only look for them. Yes, some of the things that are claimed to be lies seem only thinly so, but far more are clearly untrue. And here's the thing: The man lies about all sorts of things for which it's not a matter of there being "shades of gray." Nobody in their right mind lies about the kinds of things Trump does, which over and over again are simple points of fact that are easily determined.
Who does that? Children do because they don't realize grown ups will check or know better than they. People with Alzheimer's Disease/dementia do because they don't realize that they are doing it. Pathological liars do because they can't help themselves. Other than those groups, I can't think of folks who lie with the frequency or about the things that Trump does.
Trump simply does not realize that while lots of voters were born at night, they weren't born last night.
Blue:
I don't think freaking out the people who currently lead the U.S. is a good thing. Serving a "wake up call" is a good thing. Freaking them out is almost certainly not a good thing.
Green:
Well, that whole "can't be bought" mantra is over. He's now seeking donations, big ones. That "self-funding" thing is just another of his "things" that's gone the way of the dodo.
And this makes him different from the other clowns in the circus how exactly? Lol. You are obviously a partisan, posing as an independent/moderate.