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There is no point condemning the non-believer. I don't have that power. I want to save the non-believer. I want to empower people through the Atonement of Jesus Christ to change their lives and live more according to the order of righteousness and happiness. I want people to feel the love of God as strongly as I do. I want them to recognize their weaknesses, because until they honestly do, they can't improve on themselves.
Why should I condemn when everything the Gospel teaches is to lift up?
Avatar, aren't you also guilty of Pride?
There is no point condemning the non-believer. I don't have that power. I want to save the non-believer. I want to empower people through the Atonement of Jesus Christ to change their lives and live more according to the order of righteousness and happiness. I want people to feel the love of God as strongly as I do. I want them to recognize their weaknesses, because until they honestly do, they can't improve on themselves.
Why should I condemn when everything the Gospel teaches is to lift up?
No non-christian can improve himself? Am I understanding you correctly?
It seems to me this could ONLY be a belief of yours if you define "improving oneself" as "being christian" and discount every other manner in which a man can pull himself out of the quagmire.
There is no point condemning the non-believer. I don't have that power. I want to save the non-believer. I want to empower people through the Atonement of Jesus Christ to change their lives and live more according to the order of righteousness and happiness. I want people to feel the love of God as strongly as I do. I want them to recognize their weaknesses, because until they honestly do, they can't improve on themselves.
Why should I condemn when everything the Gospel teaches is to lift up?
No non-christian can improve himself? Am I understanding you correctly?
It seems to me this could ONLY be a belief of yours if you define "improving oneself" as "being christian" and discount every other manner in which a man can pull himself out of the quagmire.
There is no point condemning the non-believer. I don't have that power. I want to save the non-believer. I want to empower people through the Atonement of Jesus Christ to change their lives and live more according to the order of righteousness and happiness. I want people to feel the love of God as strongly as I do. I want them to recognize their weaknesses, because until they honestly do, they can't improve on themselves.
Why should I condemn when everything the Gospel teaches is to lift up?
No non-christian can improve himself? Am I understanding you correctly?
It seems to me this could ONLY be a belief of yours if you define "improving oneself" as "being christian" and discount every other manner in which a man can pull himself out of the quagmire.
Not sure how you got that out of what I said. I didn't say non-believers lack the power to improve themselves. I'm saying that is what the Gospel of Jesus Christ is all about. It's becoming more than the sinful man we are and repenting of our sins so we can become better men and women.
All people can improve themselves, and that is because of the Atonement, whether they acknowledge it or not. However, if you want to reach the full potential of human existence, it will only be through following God.
Actually.....that isn't a Christian rule at all. That would be Jewish.I have the answer!!! I know why I am not a christian. They got this little rule:
Exodus 20:14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.
I am so out of here
And the 10 commandments are not a christian tenet?
Actually.....that isn't a Christian rule at all. That would be Jewish.
And the 10 commandments are not a christian tenet?
The Ten Commandments also known as "THE LAW". was what Jesus came to fulfill for us, to deliver all of us from. It is impossible to keep the whole of the law. If ones knows the whole of the law and what it actually entails, they may understand more. It is not just 10 sentences
I was raised (in my early years) by two pinkos with VERY independent minds, and taught such things as how to read. When the folks were gone, I was raised in a Catholic orphanage. All religion, all the time, 24/7. I said the rosary every night and went to Confession every Saturday. I had Religious Instruction every day at school. So why didn't it stick?
The first thing I objected to was this need some folks seemed to have to have their asses kissed because they were Clergy. It didn't help that they were, almost to a person, sadistic, uncaring, evil fuckwhits. Ass kissing has just never been part of my skill set. I had a checkmark for "fails to show proper respect to Clergy" on my report card even single time for a decade -- and every time I would think "seems like the proper amount of respect to me -- ZERO."
So in no special order of importance, here's a list of the reasons I am not a Christian. I am hoping someone who is can address any of them and we can dialogue.
1. If God is Omnipotent, then why is there evil in the world? I have heard every single justification for this, from free will to the "evil is necessary so goodness an show up by contrast" one. None of them wash with me.
2. If Christ is the Messiah, then why didn't humanity enjoy a better life after he was here? There were still wars, and poverty, and suffering. I don't think most Christians understand the Jewish concept of a "Messiah". That person is supposed to SAVE us. I'm not feeling the saving bit so much.
3. I don't get what the Holy Spirit is about. A Supreme Being that seems not to have existed before God wanted to knock Mary up and now has no purpose at all.
4. The notion of a Trinity seems to contradict the first of the Ten Commandments: monotheism. If there is only one God, there cannot be three. It just isn't rational.
5. Speaking of rational, thanks for the condemnation of abortion, birth control, sex for Clergy (that paid off so well, didn't it?), people who are not Catholic (or whatever flavor you may be), etc. A special thanks to the "Creationism" nutters who've brought a new age of enlightenment into the classroom.
6. How is it "Christian" to deny food or medical care to a child if their parents won't first agree to convert to your religion? If your religion is so great, won't the people whom you serve eventually get curious about it? Why's it okay to coerce people into relinquishing their culture and their beliefs in favor of yours because you have the economic upper hand?
7. If prayer actually works, and God actually listens, isn't it evil to pray for the defeat of a high school football team or the results of a test? Doesn't God expect that you'll only pray for stuff that brings you closer to him?
8. How is it possible to reconcile, in your own mind, all the hatred and aggression undertaken in the name of religion with any message of any major religion? You know that it is wrong. How is it okay to commit Major Evil as long as you invoke God's name?
9. How can you seriously believe that a man in a red jump suit "tempts" you? Why can't you just accept responsibility for the evil you do? You're human -- no one has to tempt you. You're full of evil, selfish impulses and can only control them through the wonders of social conditioning, like the rest of us.
10. Why do you need a "promise of Heaven" to do what you know is right? Don't you have a conscience? When you do the wrong thing, don't you feel that?
By the way, I don't belong to any organized religion but I singled out Christians because I have been treated to their irrationality somewhat more often. No Muslim or Jew or Buddist, etc. has ever prosletized to me.
Why do people feel the need to share their thoughts on why they are or are not followers of any faith. Frankly, I couldn't give a shit.
It's also very entertaining that the socialists are so desperate to sell their product that they resort to using the rather pathetic reason of 'Christ was a socialist'.... Clearly, they have no concept of Christianity or any other faith. It is laughably stupid.
You contradict yourself again you infantile insult deleted. The thread title isn't exactly ambiguous yet you clicked on the thread to respond to the op.
Then you try to pretend to know anything about the economies of the earliest Christians or Jesus' basic teachings. It's always laiughable when trust fund deletedlike you whine about economics.
do you think i care if anybody cares?apparently you care enough to post that you don't care.
so tell us, what is important enough to you to say something more than talking about it is laughably stupid?
is that really your picture in your profile?
when i read your posts i see someone who is fat, ugly and has warts on her chin, not somebody i'd like to caress with my tongue.
Do you honestly think anyone cares who or what you'd like to caress with your tongue?
i was trying not to be vulgar, but since you chimed in, i really think you ladies need your clits nibbled on more often.
if you got head more often you wouldn't act like you had chronic PMS.
maybe if your significant others knew that foreplay was more than a slap in the ass and yelling at you to wake up so he could slam his salami into you, y'all might be more pleasant and have more worthwhile input here.
Why do people feel the need to share their thoughts on why they are or are not followers of any faith. Frankly, I couldn't give a shit.
It's also very entertaining that the socialists are so desperate to sell their product that they resort to using the rather pathetic reason of 'Christ was a socialist'.... Clearly, they have no concept of Christianity or any other faith. It is laughably stupid.
apparently you care enough to post that you don't care.
so tell us, what is important enough to you to say something more than talking about it is laughably stupid?
is that really your picture in your profile?
when i read your posts i see someone who is fat, ugly and has warts on her chin, not somebody i'd like to caress with my tongue.
Do you honestly think anyone cares who or what you'd like to caress with your tongue?
Was that intended as a display of your christianity? Or are you just willy-nilly showing your ass on any available thread?
Pure projection on your part. I was not insulting you, I was merely making an observation. I wouldn't bother wasting second of my time attempting to "cut you to the quick". Just being you must be misery enough.So non-believers are non-entities. Why does it not surprise me that an intolerant and insecure religious bigot such as yourself would think that way.Because like I said, there is no fanatic so zealous about evangelizing as an atheist with an axe to grind. And for some odd reason, they always assume the rest of us are deeply concerned with and fascinated by their beliefs. It never seems to cross their minds that they could possibly be complete non-entities to others.
Nope. Very sorry that you have such a hyperbolic, overblown, way-too-fucking-sensitive view of everything you read. What I actually said is that non-believers who feel the need to preach their non-belief and hatred of believers are non-entities TO ME. How you are viewed by others and by yourself is equally unimportant to me.
Which begs the question, what did I say that made me think your insults would cut me to the quick? Oh, lawks! Someone who doesn't matter to me thinks I'm intolerant! However shall I survive?! Quick! Someone explain to me how I can win the approval of . . . uh . . . who the fuck were you again?
is someone holding a gun to your head?
Nope. Though if I continue to speak out the way I have been, I may have a boot on my neck.
Jesus promised heaven in the after-life, not heaven on earth. Plus, I find that deeply religious people generally are happier in life. They may believe in some wacky things, but I think those people's lives are better for having God in their lives.
If by faithful you mean more certain in their faith, then I counter that certainty in faith does not correlate, IMO, with intelligence and education. It seems to me that those who are openminded enough to accept that some doubt exists about the legitimacy of their faith and yet adhere to it anyway - on faith - are the ones who are stronger in their faith. Education strengthens critical thinking, which necessarily leads to doubt. If you are strong in your faith, you can live with doubt. Those who cannot tolerate doubt and ambiguity may think they are being strong when they are only being rigid.What irriates me more than anything is the smug assumption that with education atheism must follow.
I'm educated, my sister is educated, my friends are educated and yet we're Christian. In fact, most of us were raised in atheist families...either admittedly or in practice. My mom claimed to be an atheist and was proud of it, as was her father.
It is a typical trend. I think it happens because many people think that they are educated and there for better than others and then pride blinds people.
Interestingly though, the more educated a Mormon is, the more faithful he/she is. I dont know how that correlates in other faiths, but I always found that interesting.
This is a message board. People speak what is on their mind. Personally, I think it's very interesting to read other people's thoughts on religion. It helps me understand my own.Why do people feel the need to share their thoughts on why they are or are not followers of any faith. Frankly, I couldn't give a shit.
It's also very entertaining that the socialists are so desperate to sell their product that they resort to using the rather pathetic reason of 'Christ was a socialist'.... Clearly, they have no concept of Christianity or any other faith. It is laughably stupid.
Bitter, hate-filled bigotry masquerading as jaded sophistication helps you understand something about yourself? That's certainly . . . interesting.
