Why hate crime laws are a joke!

[Socialismbegone]

A hypothetical story to prove hate crimes are nothing more than liberals pandering to minorities.Let us say that there is a white woman having coffee with her black friend in the house of their best other friend who witnesses this whole situation and lives to testify in court what took place.A black man and a white man kick the door in where the women are sitting.They both have 38 specials.The white man before he shoots the black woman says,I hate you you mother fu&%^ng ni%$er bitch.He then empties the revolver 6 times into her and she is dead.The black man then shoots the white woman 6 times without saying a word and the white woman is dead.The 3rd woman testifies and the jury finds the white man did a more heinous crime and deserves to serve more of a sentence because he said he hated his victim.
Is there really such a thing as a love crime?I think guidlines should be well defined in murders where everyone gets as harsh a sentence as possible with no exceptions.Why when Clinton,Kennedy or any other liberal politician tried to get hate crime legislation did they only hit on white on minority hate crime.If you look into statistics,you are far more likely to be a victim of black on white serious crime than white on black crimes of that nature.How often do you hear of black men raping white women?All the time!!!!!How often do you hear of white men raping black women?Hardly ever!!!!Isn't that a hate crime epedemic that has to be a priority in the Kerry campaign platform?

 

[007]

You've missed the popint entirely. First off, the black man wouldn't get as harsh of treatment killing the white woman because liberals think all whites are racists, and that we owe blacks some type of debt. Second, the white guy would get punished to full extent of the law because he killed the black woman, and we all know, whites aren't allowed to do ANYTHING against a "minority".

But you were right about one thing, the term "hate crime" is nothing more than liberals pandering to, and whoring themselves out for, the minority vote.

 

[William Joyce]

I don't object to the general idea that a person's mental state is relevant to the criminal nature of their actions.

But "hate crimes" are nothing but an attempt to nail white men and elevate the almighty black to god-like status. The truth is that blacks commit crimes against US, not the other way around. But the liberal media likes to make "whitey" look like the bad guy.

 

[Captain_Steel]

Originally posted by William Joyce
I don't object to the general idea that a person's mental state is relevant to the criminal nature of their actions.

I agree. Murder is not always a "Black and White" subject....

 

[5stringJeff]

I'm opposed to hate crime laws because they dole out harsher punishments based on your beliefs and thoughts, which are protected by the Bill of Rights. Whether a person murders someone because of their race, their sexual orientation, their sex... or because they tried to rip them off in a drug deal, or they thought the person was rich and wanted to mug them - it doesn't matter. Murder is murder, and should not be punished based on the race of the victim or perpetrator.

 

[Annie]

Originally posted by gop_jeff
I'm opposed to hate crime laws because they dole out harsher punishments based on your beliefs and thoughts, which are protected by the Bill of Rights. Whether a person murders someone because of their race, their sexual orientation, their sex... or because they tried to rip them off in a drug deal, or they thought the person was rich and wanted to mug them - it doesn't matter. Murder is murder, and should not be punished based on the race of the victim or perpetrator.

I agree with you Jeff. This differentiated law is a joke.

 

[nycflasher]

Originally posted by Kathianne
I agree with you Jeff. This differentiated law is a joke.

OMG. Do you hear that?
Listen carefully.
It's the seldom heard sound of me agreeing with you and Jeff.
Murder is murder. I can't argue with that.
Though murdering someone because of the color of their skin or sexual preference is about as low as it gets in my book.

 

[Annie]

Originally posted by nycflasher
OMG. Do you hear that?
Listen carefully.
It's the seldom heard sound of me agreeing with you and Jeff.
Murder is murder. I can't argue with that.
Though murdering someone because of the color of their skin or sexual preference is about as low as it gets in my book.

And if I murder you because you looked at me wrong? Still low. Murder NOT GOOD.

 

[nycflasher]

Originally posted by Kathianne
And if I murder you because you looked at me wrong? Still low. Murder NOT GOOD.

Yeah. I guess some people feel the need to differentiate between the Hitlers and the Mansons. When really, they deserve eachother. Quite simply.

 

[Annie]

Originally posted by nycflasher
Yeah. I guess some people feel the need to differentiate between the Hitlers and the Mansons. When really, they deserve eachother. Quite simply.

Both were/are scary. Hitler was ABLE to act on his evil, longer, with greater results.

That is the nature of evil. That is where preemption comes in.

Weird, life is a circle and we're back to the war.

 

[nycflasher]

Originally posted by Kathianne
Both were/are scary. Hitler was ABLE to act on his evil, longer, with greater results.

That is the nature of evil. That is where preemption comes in.

Weird, life is a circle and we're back to the war.

I brought up those two as Hitler seemed to "hate" certain types of people whereas Manson seemed to kill more randomly.

But, as far as the hate-crime legislation goes, can you imagine trying to argue who was a "worse" person or "more" hateful, Hitler or Manson?

Put them all in the cauldron and let the Devil sort them out.

 

[musicman]

I've probably posted this before, but it bears repeating:

Q: Why didn't Hitler ever drink vodka?

A: It made him mean.

 

[nycflasher]

Originally posted by musicman
I've probably posted this before, but it bears repeating:

Q: Why didn't Hitler ever drink vodka?

A: It made him mean.

:rotflmao:
I heard he was a mean drunk.

 

[nycflasher]

Hitler asked his astrologer on what day he would die.

"On a Jewish holiday," the astrologer replied.

"But which holiday?"

"Any day you die will be a Jewish holiday."

 

[nycflasher]

German father instructing his son on how to say grace:

"From now on you must thank God and Hitler when you pray," says dad.

"But what happens if Hitler dies?" the boy asks.

"Then you just thank God."

 

[5stringJeff]

Originally posted by nycflasher
OMG. Do you hear that?
Listen carefully.
It's the seldom heard sound of me agreeing with you and Jeff.

Wow... we might need to put a sticky on this thread or something! Watch out flasher, next thing you know RWA and Big D will agree with us also!

 

[Cynic-American]

I'm opposed to hate crime laws because they dole out harsher punishments based on your beliefs and thoughts, which are protected by the Bill of Rights. Whether a person murders someone because of their race, their sexual orientation, their sex... or because they tried to rip them off in a drug deal, or they thought the person was rich and wanted to mug them - it doesn't matter. Murder is murder, and should not be punished based on the race of the victim or perpetrator.

perfectly stated. These laws exist to punish thought, not so much to address the real offense.

 

[Diuretic]

I missed this thread. However having said that I have to say that the point of hate crime laws has been completely missed. It's not about punishment per se, it's about prevention.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

perfectly stated. These laws exist to punish thought, not so much to address the real offense.

Actually, while I disagree with "hate crime laws" because of the ingredient of thought, the example you quoted is factually incorrect. Murder and the level to which the Government prosecutes you on TYPE of murder is based on thought anyway. If you planned it you face a stiffer penalty and a different charge then if you did it in the heat of the moment or accidently.

 

[Cynic-American]

Actually, while I disagree with "hate crime laws" because of the ingredient of thought, the example you quoted is factually incorrect. Murder and the level to which the Government prosecutes you on TYPE of murder is based on thought anyway. If you planned it you face a stiffer penalty and a different charge then if you did it in the heat of the moment or accidently.

ok, and? The fact is every crime involves some degree of hate. To punish someone simply because they dont like a particular group, how is that justice?
Instead, charge for the crime itself.