Why "freedom of religion" is an inane and outdated concept

[Taz]

Fail... my argument is clearly that if a person has no concept of a God or Higher Power than themselves, then they can't logically have a problem with those things if they feel it benefits them, they could only logically conclude that "might is right", much like any animal, and therefore effectively renounce their "humanism".

So I don't see how human rights are compatible with atheism myself, atheism is essentially "law of the jungle".

And that is absolute bullshit. People can have compassion for their fellow man, empathy with other humans without any God. They can want what is best for others and help others without the threat of eternal damnation.

If you cannot empathize with others or feel compassion for your fellow man without being told to do so by someone claiming to represent God, there is something wrong with you.

And your attempts to claim that atheists are the ones committing the rapes and murders is laughable. How many young people have been molested by clergy? Representatives of the very religions you think will save us have ruined more young lives than atheism has ever thought of.

I would argue that it is far more moral to do the right thing simply because it is the right thing, rather than doing the right thing for fear of what may or may not happen to you after you die.

And I would argue that you're making life more difficult for no good reason, just so that you can feel superior.

So you don't feel superior to me for believing in an invisible being from another dimension that nobody has ever seen?

No, Taz, I feel superior to you because I'm superior to you.

I also feel my beliefs are superior to your beliefs, but that's completely separate from me just being better than you.

You can't even find a church and your beliefs are better than mine? Are you on the same high horse that Jesus rode?

 

[Taz]

Removing freedom of choice, free will, is not a religious concept.

A belief that someone forces you to profess is not a real belief.

You mean like god scaring people with hell into following a book?

If you believe you are going to go to Hell, then that's your real belief. If you just say you believe it because the government tells you to say you do, then it's not a real belief.

Is that dumbed-down enough for you, or do I need to break out the Crayolas?

But you say it because otherwise you go to hell. So you're being threatened. Now you know.

 

[Cecilie1200]

And that is absolute bullshit. People can have compassion for their fellow man, empathy with other humans without any God. They can want what is best for others and help others without the threat of eternal damnation.

If you cannot empathize with others or feel compassion for your fellow man without being told to do so by someone claiming to represent God, there is something wrong with you.

And your attempts to claim that atheists are the ones committing the rapes and murders is laughable. How many young people have been molested by clergy? Representatives of the very religions you think will save us have ruined more young lives than atheism has ever thought of.

I would argue that it is far more moral to do the right thing simply because it is the right thing, rather than doing the right thing for fear of what may or may not happen to you after you die.

And I would argue that you're making life more difficult for no good reason, just so that you can feel superior.

So you don't feel superior to me for believing in an invisible being from another dimension that nobody has ever seen?

No, Taz, I feel superior to you because I'm superior to you.

I also feel my beliefs are superior to your beliefs, but that's completely separate from me just being better than you.

You can't even find a church and your beliefs are better than mine? Are you on the same high horse that Jesus rode?

Found a church, moron. If you bothered to read what I say, rather than debating the Cecilie you imagine in your own head - and still losing! - you'd know that I've been attending the same church for a month now.

And yes, my beliefs are better than yours. Know how I can tell? Because you're a bitter, nasty, miserable person, and it's a direct result of your beliefs and worldview.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Removing freedom of choice, free will, is not a religious concept.

A belief that someone forces you to profess is not a real belief.

You mean like god scaring people with hell into following a book?

If you believe you are going to go to Hell, then that's your real belief. If you just say you believe it because the government tells you to say you do, then it's not a real belief.

Is that dumbed-down enough for you, or do I need to break out the Crayolas?

But you say it because otherwise you go to hell. So you're being threatened. Now you know.

But that's not what I was talking about. Now you know. Five seconds from now, you'll forget and have to be reminded, because you're a dumbass. But at this particular moment in time, you know.

FYI, your belief that Christians serve God because they're "scared of hell" and "being threatened" has exactly nothing to do with why they ACTUALLY serve God. One reason why your life's work of attacking Christians is such a miserable failure is that you project your own ignorance onto others, and then can't comprehend why they're not finding it the huge stumbling block you do.

 

[hjmick]

You are, seriously, a sick and twisted human being.

Fail... my argument is clearly that if a person has no concept of a God or Higher Power than themselves, then they can't logically have a problem with those things if they feel it benefits them, they could only logically conclude that "might is right", much like any animal, and therefore effectively renounce their "humanism".

So I don't see how human rights are compatible with atheism myself, atheism is essentially "law of the jungle".

And that is absolute bullshit. People can have compassion for their fellow man, empathy with other humans without any God. They can want what is best for others and help others without the threat of eternal damnation.

If you cannot empathize with others or feel compassion for your fellow man without being told to do so by someone claiming to represent God, there is something wrong with you.

And your attempts to claim that atheists are the ones committing the rapes and murders is laughable. How many young people have been molested by clergy? Representatives of the very religions you think will save us have ruined more young lives than atheism has ever thought of.

I would argue that it is far more moral to do the right thing simply because it is the right thing, rather than doing the right thing for fear of what may or may not happen to you after you die.

And I would argue that you're making life more difficult for no good reason, just so that you can feel superior.

I don't feel superior to anyone and life is not difficult. Nice try.

 

[Taz]

I would argue that it is far more moral to do the right thing simply because it is the right thing, rather than doing the right thing for fear of what may or may not happen to you after you die.

And I would argue that you're making life more difficult for no good reason, just so that you can feel superior.

So you don't feel superior to me for believing in an invisible being from another dimension that nobody has ever seen?

No, Taz, I feel superior to you because I'm superior to you.

I also feel my beliefs are superior to your beliefs, but that's completely separate from me just being better than you.

You can't even find a church and your beliefs are better than mine? Are you on the same high horse that Jesus rode?

Found a church, moron. If you bothered to read what I say, rather than debating the Cecilie you imagine in your own head - and still losing! - you'd know that I've been attending the same church for a month now.

And yes, my beliefs are better than yours. Know how I can tell? Because you're a bitter, nasty, miserable person, and it's a direct result of your beliefs and worldview.

So what are my beliefs and worldview that they are so bad?

 

[Taz]

Removing freedom of choice, free will, is not a religious concept.

A belief that someone forces you to profess is not a real belief.

You mean like god scaring people with hell into following a book?

If you believe you are going to go to Hell, then that's your real belief. If you just say you believe it because the government tells you to say you do, then it's not a real belief.

Is that dumbed-down enough for you, or do I need to break out the Crayolas?

But you say it because otherwise you go to hell. So you're being threatened. Now you know.

But that's not what I was talking about. Now you know. Five seconds from now, you'll forget and have to be reminded, because you're a dumbass. But at this particular moment in time, you know.

FYI, your belief that Christians serve God because they're "scared of hell" and "being threatened" has exactly nothing to do with why they ACTUALLY serve God. One reason why your life's work of attacking Christians is such a miserable failure is that you project your own ignorance onto others, and then can't comprehend why they're not finding it the huge stumbling block you do.

No, I'm just asking question because I'm curious about why people believe, and if there is anything solid behind it. You appear threatened by that.

 

[Cecilie1200]

You are, seriously, a sick and twisted human being.

Fail... my argument is clearly that if a person has no concept of a God or Higher Power than themselves, then they can't logically have a problem with those things if they feel it benefits them, they could only logically conclude that "might is right", much like any animal, and therefore effectively renounce their "humanism".

So I don't see how human rights are compatible with atheism myself, atheism is essentially "law of the jungle".

And that is absolute bullshit. People can have compassion for their fellow man, empathy with other humans without any God. They can want what is best for others and help others without the threat of eternal damnation.

If you cannot empathize with others or feel compassion for your fellow man without being told to do so by someone claiming to represent God, there is something wrong with you.

And your attempts to claim that atheists are the ones committing the rapes and murders is laughable. How many young people have been molested by clergy? Representatives of the very religions you think will save us have ruined more young lives than atheism has ever thought of.

I would argue that it is far more moral to do the right thing simply because it is the right thing, rather than doing the right thing for fear of what may or may not happen to you after you die.

And I would argue that you're making life more difficult for no good reason, just so that you can feel superior.

I don't feel superior to anyone and life is not difficult. Nice try.

Didn't say life was difficult. I said you're adding difficulty that has no purpose for being.

And you definitely should NOT feel superior to anyone.

 

[Cecilie1200]

And I would argue that you're making life more difficult for no good reason, just so that you can feel superior.

So you don't feel superior to me for believing in an invisible being from another dimension that nobody has ever seen?

No, Taz, I feel superior to you because I'm superior to you.

I also feel my beliefs are superior to your beliefs, but that's completely separate from me just being better than you.

You can't even find a church and your beliefs are better than mine? Are you on the same high horse that Jesus rode?

Found a church, moron. If you bothered to read what I say, rather than debating the Cecilie you imagine in your own head - and still losing! - you'd know that I've been attending the same church for a month now.

And yes, my beliefs are better than yours. Know how I can tell? Because you're a bitter, nasty, miserable person, and it's a direct result of your beliefs and worldview.

So what are my beliefs and worldview that they are so bad?

Utterly uninteresting to anyone but you, which is why every single thread you ever enter is forced to spend half its posts telling you to stop trying to make the conversation about you.

 

[Cecilie1200]

A belief that someone forces you to profess is not a real belief.

You mean like god scaring people with hell into following a book?

If you believe you are going to go to Hell, then that's your real belief. If you just say you believe it because the government tells you to say you do, then it's not a real belief.

Is that dumbed-down enough for you, or do I need to break out the Crayolas?

But you say it because otherwise you go to hell. So you're being threatened. Now you know.

But that's not what I was talking about. Now you know. Five seconds from now, you'll forget and have to be reminded, because you're a dumbass. But at this particular moment in time, you know.

FYI, your belief that Christians serve God because they're "scared of hell" and "being threatened" has exactly nothing to do with why they ACTUALLY serve God. One reason why your life's work of attacking Christians is such a miserable failure is that you project your own ignorance onto others, and then can't comprehend why they're not finding it the huge stumbling block you do.

No, I'm just asking question because I'm curious about why people believe, and if there is anything solid behind it. You appear threatened by that.

No, Taz, you're not. You tell this lie in every single thread, and it's never true. You're not the slightest bit curious about what people ACTUALLY believe, let alone why. You are absolutely, 100% always about "I hate God! You must talk about my hatred of God! Stop talking about anything but my obsession with hating God!"

And then you inevitably interpret the fact that everyone views you as the conversational equivalent of stepping in dog crap as you "accomplishing" something.

We've been through this a million times already.

 

[hjmick]

Fail... my argument is clearly that if a person has no concept of a God or Higher Power than themselves, then they can't logically have a problem with those things if they feel it benefits them, they could only logically conclude that "might is right", much like any animal, and therefore effectively renounce their "humanism".

So I don't see how human rights are compatible with atheism myself, atheism is essentially "law of the jungle".

And that is absolute bullshit. People can have compassion for their fellow man, empathy with other humans without any God. They can want what is best for others and help others without the threat of eternal damnation.

If you cannot empathize with others or feel compassion for your fellow man without being told to do so by someone claiming to represent God, there is something wrong with you.

And your attempts to claim that atheists are the ones committing the rapes and murders is laughable. How many young people have been molested by clergy? Representatives of the very religions you think will save us have ruined more young lives than atheism has ever thought of.

I would argue that it is far more moral to do the right thing simply because it is the right thing, rather than doing the right thing for fear of what may or may not happen to you after you die.

And I would argue that you're making life more difficult for no good reason, just so that you can feel superior.

I don't feel superior to anyone and life is not difficult. Nice try.

Didn't say life was difficult. I said you're adding difficulty that has no purpose for being.

And you definitely should NOT feel superior to anyone.

Neither should you.

 

[Cecilie1200]

And that is absolute bullshit. People can have compassion for their fellow man, empathy with other humans without any God. They can want what is best for others and help others without the threat of eternal damnation.

If you cannot empathize with others or feel compassion for your fellow man without being told to do so by someone claiming to represent God, there is something wrong with you.

And your attempts to claim that atheists are the ones committing the rapes and murders is laughable. How many young people have been molested by clergy? Representatives of the very religions you think will save us have ruined more young lives than atheism has ever thought of.

I would argue that it is far more moral to do the right thing simply because it is the right thing, rather than doing the right thing for fear of what may or may not happen to you after you die.

And I would argue that you're making life more difficult for no good reason, just so that you can feel superior.

I don't feel superior to anyone and life is not difficult. Nice try.

Didn't say life was difficult. I said you're adding difficulty that has no purpose for being.

And you definitely should NOT feel superior to anyone.

Neither should you.

Wrong.

 

[Taz]

So you don't feel superior to me for believing in an invisible being from another dimension that nobody has ever seen?

No, Taz, I feel superior to you because I'm superior to you.

I also feel my beliefs are superior to your beliefs, but that's completely separate from me just being better than you.

You can't even find a church and your beliefs are better than mine? Are you on the same high horse that Jesus rode?

Found a church, moron. If you bothered to read what I say, rather than debating the Cecilie you imagine in your own head - and still losing! - you'd know that I've been attending the same church for a month now.

And yes, my beliefs are better than yours. Know how I can tell? Because you're a bitter, nasty, miserable person, and it's a direct result of your beliefs and worldview.

So what are my beliefs and worldview that they are so bad?

Utterly uninteresting to anyone but you, which is why every single thread you ever enter is forced to spend half its posts telling you to stop trying to make the conversation about you.

Ok, so you have no fucking clue. Why am I not surprised?

 

[Taz]

You mean like god scaring people with hell into following a book?

If you believe you are going to go to Hell, then that's your real belief. If you just say you believe it because the government tells you to say you do, then it's not a real belief.

Is that dumbed-down enough for you, or do I need to break out the Crayolas?

But you say it because otherwise you go to hell. So you're being threatened. Now you know.

But that's not what I was talking about. Now you know. Five seconds from now, you'll forget and have to be reminded, because you're a dumbass. But at this particular moment in time, you know.

FYI, your belief that Christians serve God because they're "scared of hell" and "being threatened" has exactly nothing to do with why they ACTUALLY serve God. One reason why your life's work of attacking Christians is such a miserable failure is that you project your own ignorance onto others, and then can't comprehend why they're not finding it the huge stumbling block you do.

No, I'm just asking question because I'm curious about why people believe, and if there is anything solid behind it. You appear threatened by that.

No, Taz, you're not. You tell this lie in every single thread, and it's never true. You're not the slightest bit curious about what people ACTUALLY believe, let alone why. You are absolutely, 100% always about "I hate God! You must talk about my hatred of God! Stop talking about anything but my obsession with hating God!"

And then you inevitably interpret the fact that everyone views you as the conversational equivalent of stepping in dog crap as you "accomplishing" something.

We've been through this a million times already.

See? You had another chance to tell me why you believe but chose to denigrate me instead, why? You afraid?

 

[hjmick]

I would argue that it is far more moral to do the right thing simply because it is the right thing, rather than doing the right thing for fear of what may or may not happen to you after you die.

And I would argue that you're making life more difficult for no good reason, just so that you can feel superior.

I don't feel superior to anyone and life is not difficult. Nice try.

Didn't say life was difficult. I said you're adding difficulty that has no purpose for being.

And you definitely should NOT feel superior to anyone.

Neither should you.

Wrong.

Yes, you are wrong.

 

[Unification]

I'd argue that the irreligious have proven themselves too devolved and degenerate to properly govern themselves without the guidance of, contrary to their deluded notions of "independence". Being given over less-evolved vices such as gluttony, sexual deviancy, porn addiction, and what not - the types of simplistic pleasures befitting of lesser evolved species they have more in common with than enlightened humans who are capable of creating and appreciating higher things such as arts, music, sciences, and spirituality - all which, of course are religious constructs and institutions.

Therefore it would be in the best interest of America and Europe's governments to administer religion to them and re-establish state religion in our schools, universities and media. America's "first Amendment" is something of an outdated holdover of a past area and can easily be amended or subverted; while America's founders were wise in many areas, they were foolish in others, such as in their decision to permit enslavement of Africans - I'd argue that their decision to grant freedom of religion, rather than establishing state religion was one of their foolies, and something which secularists have of course proven themselves incapable of handling responsibly.

As for how to implement this - the details vary. I'd argue that even giving secularists or atheists "human rights" at all is a luxury, but wouldn't see the need or effectiveness in actively arresting and imprisoning them for holding secular beliefs in the privacy of their own how. But ideally, publicly identifying as a "secularist" or "atheist" should be made socially acceptable in any civilized nation on par with publicly identifying as a pedophile, rapist, or Nazi, or otherwise, and this way they could passively be encouraged either to convert to religion or keep their deviant beliefs outside of civilized society.

Hard for me to tell whether you are just trolling- or you really are the Fascist you make yourself out to be.....

But ideally, publicly identifying as a "secularist" or "atheist" should be made socially acceptable in any civilized nation on par with publicly identifying as a pedophile, rapist, or Nazi, or otherwise, and this way they could passively be encouraged either to convert to religion or keep their deviant beliefs outside of civilized society.

So in your mind- anyone who doesn't believe in your fairy tales is just the same as a rapist......

Thank 'god' we have a Constitution to protect us all from Fascists like you.

This troll that posted the OP is a typical religious hypocrite. He claims wants everyone to follow HIS religion, so we can have a moral and ethical world. And then he talks about cheating on his wife.

Is not cheating, silly willy - it is polyamory which is what I identify as. Wife should not care if I love other women unless she is ignorant bigot against my sexuality.

 

[Unification]

I'd argue that the irreligious have proven themselves too devolved and degenerate to properly govern themselves without the guidance of, contrary to their deluded notions of "independence". Being given over less-evolved vices such as gluttony, sexual deviancy, porn addiction, and what not - the types of simplistic pleasures befitting of lesser evolved species they have more in common with than enlightened humans who are capable of creating and appreciating higher things such as arts, music, sciences, and spirituality - all which, of course are religious constructs and institutions.

Therefore it would be in the best interest of America and Europe's governments to administer religion to them and re-establish state religion in our schools, universities and media. America's "first Amendment" is something of an outdated holdover of a past area and can easily be amended or subverted; while America's founders were wise in many areas, they were foolish in others, such as in their decision to permit enslavement of Africans - I'd argue that their decision to grant freedom of religion, rather than establishing state religion was one of their foolies, and something which secularists have of course proven themselves incapable of handling responsibly.

As for how to implement this - the details vary. I'd argue that even giving secularists or atheists "human rights" at all is a luxury, but wouldn't see the need or effectiveness in actively arresting and imprisoning them for holding secular beliefs in the privacy of their own how. But ideally, publicly identifying as a "secularist" or "atheist" should be made socially acceptable in any civilized nation on par with publicly identifying as a pedophile, rapist, or Nazi, or otherwise, and this way they could passively be encouraged either to convert to religion or keep their deviant beliefs outside of civilized society.

Hard for me to tell whether you are just trolling- or you really are the Fascist you make yourself out to be.....

But ideally, publicly identifying as a "secularist" or "atheist" should be made socially acceptable in any civilized nation on par with publicly identifying as a pedophile, rapist, or Nazi, or otherwise, and this way they could passively be encouraged either to convert to religion or keep their deviant beliefs outside of civilized society.

So in your mind- anyone who doesn't believe in your fairy tales is just the same as a rapist......

Thank 'god' we have a Constitution to protect us all from Fascists like you.

I care not for dated secular Constitution, and if one is atheist they cannot claim constiution is "sacred", but rather just a goddamn piece of paper like George W Bush asserted.

I think the Constitution should be changed and no longer protect degeneracy under guise of "frees peach" or "freedom of religion", state should actively stamp out degeneracy - since modern Rome has proven itself too immoral and materialistic to handle democracy, a strong government is the answer.

The 1st Amendment was obviously a mistake, and if American founders had witnessed degeneracy of modern rome protecting ills such as porn, and degenerate "art" under pretense of "frees peach", I think they would have reconsidered it.

 

[WinterBorn]

I'd argue that the irreligious have proven themselves too devolved and degenerate to properly govern themselves without the guidance of, contrary to their deluded notions of "independence". Being given over less-evolved vices such as gluttony, sexual deviancy, porn addiction, and what not - the types of simplistic pleasures befitting of lesser evolved species they have more in common with than enlightened humans who are capable of creating and appreciating higher things such as arts, music, sciences, and spirituality - all which, of course are religious constructs and institutions.

Therefore it would be in the best interest of America and Europe's governments to administer religion to them and re-establish state religion in our schools, universities and media. America's "first Amendment" is something of an outdated holdover of a past area and can easily be amended or subverted; while America's founders were wise in many areas, they were foolish in others, such as in their decision to permit enslavement of Africans - I'd argue that their decision to grant freedom of religion, rather than establishing state religion was one of their foolies, and something which secularists have of course proven themselves incapable of handling responsibly.

As for how to implement this - the details vary. I'd argue that even giving secularists or atheists "human rights" at all is a luxury, but wouldn't see the need or effectiveness in actively arresting and imprisoning them for holding secular beliefs in the privacy of their own how. But ideally, publicly identifying as a "secularist" or "atheist" should be made socially acceptable in any civilized nation on par with publicly identifying as a pedophile, rapist, or Nazi, or otherwise, and this way they could passively be encouraged either to convert to religion or keep their deviant beliefs outside of civilized society.

Hard for me to tell whether you are just trolling- or you really are the Fascist you make yourself out to be.....

But ideally, publicly identifying as a "secularist" or "atheist" should be made socially acceptable in any civilized nation on par with publicly identifying as a pedophile, rapist, or Nazi, or otherwise, and this way they could passively be encouraged either to convert to religion or keep their deviant beliefs outside of civilized society.

So in your mind- anyone who doesn't believe in your fairy tales is just the same as a rapist......

Thank 'god' we have a Constitution to protect us all from Fascists like you.

This troll that posted the OP is a typical religious hypocrite. He claims wants everyone to follow HIS religion, so we can have a moral and ethical world. And then he talks about cheating on his wife.

Is not cheating, silly willy - it is polyamory which is what I identify as. Wife should not care if I love other women unless she is ignorant bigot against my sexuality.

Yes, it DOES matter. It is the fundamental key to being poly. Everyone you are involved with should know.

If she doesn't care after she knows, that is great. If she does care and you continue without allowing her to divorce you, it is cheating.

Can your wife go out and seduce men?

 

[WinterBorn]

I'd argue that the irreligious have proven themselves too devolved and degenerate to properly govern themselves without the guidance of, contrary to their deluded notions of "independence". Being given over less-evolved vices such as gluttony, sexual deviancy, porn addiction, and what not - the types of simplistic pleasures befitting of lesser evolved species they have more in common with than enlightened humans who are capable of creating and appreciating higher things such as arts, music, sciences, and spirituality - all which, of course are religious constructs and institutions.

Therefore it would be in the best interest of America and Europe's governments to administer religion to them and re-establish state religion in our schools, universities and media. America's "first Amendment" is something of an outdated holdover of a past area and can easily be amended or subverted; while America's founders were wise in many areas, they were foolish in others, such as in their decision to permit enslavement of Africans - I'd argue that their decision to grant freedom of religion, rather than establishing state religion was one of their foolies, and something which secularists have of course proven themselves incapable of handling responsibly.

As for how to implement this - the details vary. I'd argue that even giving secularists or atheists "human rights" at all is a luxury, but wouldn't see the need or effectiveness in actively arresting and imprisoning them for holding secular beliefs in the privacy of their own how. But ideally, publicly identifying as a "secularist" or "atheist" should be made socially acceptable in any civilized nation on par with publicly identifying as a pedophile, rapist, or Nazi, or otherwise, and this way they could passively be encouraged either to convert to religion or keep their deviant beliefs outside of civilized society.

Hard for me to tell whether you are just trolling- or you really are the Fascist you make yourself out to be.....

But ideally, publicly identifying as a "secularist" or "atheist" should be made socially acceptable in any civilized nation on par with publicly identifying as a pedophile, rapist, or Nazi, or otherwise, and this way they could passively be encouraged either to convert to religion or keep their deviant beliefs outside of civilized society.

So in your mind- anyone who doesn't believe in your fairy tales is just the same as a rapist......

Thank 'god' we have a Constitution to protect us all from Fascists like you.

I care not for dated secular Constitution, and if one is atheist they cannot claim constiution is "sacred", but rather just a goddamn piece of paper like George W Bush asserted.

I think the Constitution should be changed and no longer protect degeneracy under guise of "frees peach" or "freedom of religion", state should actively stamp out degeneracy - since modern Rome has proven itself too immoral and materialistic to handle democracy, a strong government is the answer.

The 1st Amendment was obviously a mistake, and if American founders had witnessed degeneracy of modern rome protecting ills such as porn, and degenerate "art" under pretense of "frees peach", I think they would have reconsidered it.

YOu are welcome to your opinions. The overwhelming majority of Americans think differently.

 

[bodecea]

I'd argue that the irreligious have proven themselves too devolved and degenerate to properly govern themselves without the guidance of, contrary to their deluded notions of "independence". Being given over less-evolved vices such as gluttony, sexual deviancy, porn addiction, and what not - the types of simplistic pleasures befitting of lesser evolved species they have more in common with than enlightened humans who are capable of creating and appreciating higher things such as arts, music, sciences, and spirituality - all which, of course are religious constructs and institutions.

Therefore it would be in the best interest of America and Europe's governments to administer religion to them and re-establish state religion in our schools, universities and media. America's "first Amendment" is something of an outdated holdover of a past area and can easily be amended or subverted; while America's founders were wise in many areas, they were foolish in others, such as in their decision to permit enslavement of Africans - I'd argue that their decision to grant freedom of religion, rather than establishing state religion was one of their foolies, and something which secularists have of course proven themselves incapable of handling responsibly.

As for how to implement this - the details vary. I'd argue that even giving secularists or atheists "human rights" at all is a luxury, but wouldn't see the need or effectiveness in actively arresting and imprisoning them for holding secular beliefs in the privacy of their own how. But ideally, publicly identifying as a "secularist" or "atheist" should be made socially acceptable in any civilized nation on par with publicly identifying as a pedophile, rapist, or Nazi, or otherwise, and this way they could passively be encouraged either to convert to religion or keep their deviant beliefs outside of civilized society.

Hard for me to tell whether you are just trolling- or you really are the Fascist you make yourself out to be.....

But ideally, publicly identifying as a "secularist" or "atheist" should be made socially acceptable in any civilized nation on par with publicly identifying as a pedophile, rapist, or Nazi, or otherwise, and this way they could passively be encouraged either to convert to religion or keep their deviant beliefs outside of civilized society.

So in your mind- anyone who doesn't believe in your fairy tales is just the same as a rapist......

Thank 'god' we have a Constitution to protect us all from Fascists like you.

This troll that posted the OP is a typical religious hypocrite. He claims wants everyone to follow HIS religion, so we can have a moral and ethical world. And then he talks about cheating on his wife.

Is not cheating, silly willy - it is polyamory which is what I identify as. Wife should not care if I love other women unless she is ignorant bigot against my sexuality.

And how about your wife loving other men....your shouldn't care unless you are an ignorant bigot against her sexuality.