Why Europe?

“….how did the dominance of Christianity affect the knowledge of, and attitudes towards nature? The standard answer, developed in the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries and widely propagated in the twentieth, maintains that Christianity presented serious obstacles to the advancement of science and, indeed, sent the scientific enterprise into a tailspin from which it did not recover for more than a thousand years. The truth, as we shall see, is far different and much more complicated.

One charge frequently leveled against the Church is that it was broadly anti-intellectual – that the leaders of the church preferred faith to reason and ignorance to education. In fact, this is a considerable distortion…Christians quickly recognized that if the Bible was to be read, literacy would have to be encouraged; and in the long run Christianity became the major patron of European education and a major borrower from the Classical intellectual tradition. Naturally enough, the kind and level of education and intellectual effort favored by the Church Fathers that which supported the mission of the Church as they perceived it….whether this represents a blow against the scientific enterprise or modest, but welcome, support for it depends largely on the attitudes and expectations that one brings to the question. If we compare the early church with a modern research university or the National Science Foundation, the church will prove to have failed abysmally as a supporter of science and natural philosophy. But such a comparison is obviously unfair. If, instead, we compare the support given to the study of nature by the early church with support available from any other contemporary social institution, it will become clear that the church was one of the major patrons – perhaps the major patron – of scientific learning. Its patronage may have been limited and selective, but limited and selected patronage is better than no patronage at all. But a critic to view the early church as an obstacle to scientific progress might argue that the handmaiden status accorded natural philosophy is inconsistent with the existence of genuine science. True science, this critic would maintain, cannot be the handmaiden of anything, but must process total autonomy; consequently, the “disciplined” science that Augustine sought is no science at all. The appropriate response is that totally autonomous science is an attractive ideal, but we do not live in an ideal world. Many of the most important developments in the history of science have been produced by people committed not to autonomous science, but to science in the service of some ideology, social program, or practical end; for much of its history, the question has not been whether science will function as handmaiden, but which mistress it will serve.”

--David C. Lindberg The Beginnings of Western Science: The European Scientific Tradition in Philosophical, Religious, and Institutional Context, 600 BC to AD 1450 pg.149-51


“The contribution of the religious culture of the early Middle Ages to the scientific movement was thus one of preservation and transmission. The monasteries served as the transmitters of literacy and a thin version of the Classical tradition(including science or natural philosophy) through a period when literacy and scholarship were severely threatened. Without them, Western Europe would not have more science, but less.”

--ibid. pg.157

"It was not the case that the dominance of the lay and clerical aristocracy had a merely negative, inhibiting effect on the field of technology, in some areas it needs and tastes favoured a certain progress. The clergy and above all the monks were obliged to have few contacts as possible with the outside world, including economic relations, and above all they desired to be freed from material tasks to have time for the Opus Dei and for properly spiritual occupations (offices and prayers), and for their work of charity, which obliged them to provide for the economic needs not only of their numerous familia but also for the poor and of wandering beggars by distributing foodstuff. This encouraged them to develop equipment of a certain technical standard. If one is looking for the earliest mills, water mills, or for the progress in farming techniques, one often sees the religious orders in the vanguard. It was not a coincidence if here during the early Middle Ages men attributed the invention of the watermill to a saint who introduced it into a region, for example St. Orens of Auch who had a mill setup at St. Gabriel on the Durancole in the 6th century….As we have seen, the Church encouraged improvements in the measurement of time for the needs of ecclesiastical computation. The building of churches – the first great buildings of the Middle Ages – gave a stimulus to technical progress, not only in building techniques, but also in the tools used, in methods of transportation, and in the auxiliary skills such as glasswork.”

--Jacques Le Goff Medieval Civilization 400-1500 pg. 198

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The Sun in the Church by J.L. Heilbron is a provocative work of scholarship that challenges long-held views of the relationship between science and Christianity. Heilbron's main point is simple enough: "The Roman Catholic Church gave more financial and social support to the study of astronomy for over six centuries, from the recovery of ancient learning during the late Middle Ages into the Enlightenment, than any other, and, probably, all other, institutions." Despite the persecution of Galileo, Heilbron notes, the Church actively supported mathematical and astronomical research--often designing cathedrals that could also function as observatories--in order to set the precise date of Easter (a crucial endeavor for maintaining the unity of the Church). Heilbron's fluid, engaging style brings his detailed reconstructions of 16th- and 17th-century Church politics to life. And his argument that scientific knowledge was deemed both morally neutral and politically useful during the Reformation and beyond yields an unusually interesting, complex, and human understanding of Catholicism in the early Modern period. --Michael Joseph Gross

“Taken as a whole, the history of the Middle Ages after the ruin in the West of the ancient civilization is one of progress, progress in society, government, order and organization, laws, the development of human faculties, of rational thought, of knowledge and experience, of art and culture.”
--C.W. Previte-Ortor The Shorter Cambridge Medieval History vol.2 “The 12th Century to the Renaissance”

“The Catholic Church long stood condemned as the enemy of enlightenment, with the alleged suppressions of Copernicus and Galileo as Exhibit A. More recent historians, however, have pointed to evidence of Church attitudes and policies of a quite different coloration. Lynn White asserted that Christian theology actually gave the Middle Ages a fiat for technology: “man shares in great measure God’s transcendence of nature. Christianity, in absolute contrast to paganism and Asia’s religions…not only established a dualism of man and nature but also insisted that it is God’s will that man exploit nature for his proper ends.”
--Frances and Joseph Gies Cathedral, Forge, and Waterwheel: Technology and Invention in the Middle Ages pg. 4-5
 
The success of the West is clearly based on the Renaissance with the rediscovery of scientific principle instead of the dogma of the Catholic church. The mantles of Greece and Rome were brought forth to modern thinking after a 1000 year hiatus.....


That's an old, largely discredited notion.
the church gave up it's choke hold, while in the ME, a region that was advanced, fell behind due to the islamic choke hold


Not so much due to that as to a number of other factors.
 
There is no doubt that the Catholic church viewed anything which did not agree with its teaching as heretical. We all know that even before the Renaissance it was widely accepted that the world was a sphere and that certain tenants of modern society were acknowledged. On the other hand, the church clung on the Aristotelian geocentric model of the solar system and the universe. Copernicus' heliocentric model was heavily criticized and was even entered into the Index of Forbidden Books along with works of Kepler, Newton and Kant among others.

Index Librorum Prohibitorum - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

To argue that these prohibitions were not attempts to stifle progress in the West is ludicrous.

Much like the Chinese of today, once unshackled from the blinding bondage of dogma, men progress.
 
Tribalism has limited development and continues to do so today. One advantage enjoyed by Europe is the progressive move from the tribes (Goths, Vandals...), city-states (Paris, Venice..), and smaller kingdoms to create larger kingdoms and by the Industrial Revolution of the 1800s many of modern western European countries that exist today. The collective efforts of larger kingdoms and later countries contributed to the success they enjoyed in conquering lands weakened by regions torn by strong tribal allegiances. Africa, the Americas and Asia were fragmented through tribal rivalries, making progress more difficult and conquest easier.

The effects today still linger:

"Tribalism extends to politics and the media too, frustrating debate, good policy, and the ability to call politicians to account. Members of Japan's two biggest political parties acknowledge quite candidly that their first loyalty is to their faction's boss, not to any policy. Hence the ruling Democratic Party of Japan often appears to be more at war with itself than with the opposition."

http://www.economist.com/node/21541039

"Leaders often exploit tribal loyalty to advance personal gain, parochial interests, patronage, and cronyism.

But tribes are not built on democratic ideas but thrive on zero-sum competition.

As a result, they are inimical to democratic advancement.

In essence, tribal practices are occupying a vacuum created by lack of strong democratic institutions.

Tribal interests have played a major role in armed conflict and civil unrest across the continent."


Viewpoint: How tribalism stunts African democracy - BBC News

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There are many theories as to why a continent full of bloodthirsty, inbred, filthy savages should emerge from the so-called 'Dark Ages' and become the dominant region of the world for a long time. Just wondering which one y'all find most compelling. It's a fascinating historical question, in any case.
Ship building.

Opened up sea trade with the whole world.


Tribes (countries) got along much better than most of the world and still do.
But they liked to outdo each other.[/QUOTE
In my experience all races are competitive and contemplative, The nature of the beast.
true, but the eu's stopped slaughtering each other wholesale for a very long time.

....all




A"very long time"?
 
Why Europe?

Many factors:
diversity
competition
lack of centralized authority (over all of the continent)

Looked at from an eleventh century perspective, one would think the Chinese civilization would have risen to dominate the world. It had tech, great ships, respect for learning. One major problem was central rule by perfidious emperors.

In Europe, many ideas and technologies could find a niche to flourish until able to survive more widely. There was enormous waste and destruction, but, as in nature, this lead to strong fruit from tested vines.

Also, pure chance played a strong role.
 
Nationalsocialism have Communism as big enemy so did Nazi Germany attack's.
Strong begins but then they lose.
Hitler do suicide in Berlin bunker.
 
Why Europe?

Many factors:
diversity
competition
lack of centralized authority (over all of the continent)

Looked at from an eleventh century perspective, one would think the Chinese civilization would have risen to dominate the world. It had tech, great ships, respect for learning. One major problem was central rule by perfidious emperors.

In Europe, many ideas and technologies could find a niche to flourish until able to survive more widely. There was enormous waste and destruction, but, as in nature, this lead to strong fruit from tested vines.

Also, pure chance played a strong role.

I think we can agree with competition, but there weren't much "diversity" and European countries had a very centralized goverment. But goverments/Kings in Europe did not stifle scientific and economical growth, like the emperor did in China.

There is no "pure chance" in the game of civilization. There were wiser men at that time, that we have today.
 
Why Europe?

Many factors:
diversity.....


Could you clarify this one? It seems to me that the Ottoman Empire contained far more diversity than Europe at the time, and yet Europe marched on as the Ottomans eventually stagnated and began their long decline.
 
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lack of centralized authority (over all of the continent).....


This one I have to take issue with. It was the absence of the centralizing authority of Rome that plunged Europe into the so-called 'Dark Ages,' and it was precisely strong centralized power (in addition to other things, of course) that enabled Spain and Portugal to usher in the Age of Exploration.
 
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lack of centralized authority (over all of the continent).....


This one I have to take issue with. It was the absence of the centralizing authority of Rome that plunged Europe into the so-called 'Dark Ages,' and it was precisely strong centralized power (in addition to other things, of course) that enabled Spain and Portugal to usher in the Age of Exploration.
 
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Looked at from an eleventh century perspective, one would think the Chinese civilization would have risen to dominate the world. .....


That's just it, as far as they were concerned they DID dominate their world, or at least the part of it worth dominating.
 
....But goverments/Kings in Europe did not stifle scientific and economical growth, like the emperor did in China.......


What are you referring to, specifically?

The emperor in China did often, acording to sources I've read, stifle advancements in his contry. The reason were logical, if the country changed, it might not be possible for him to control.
 
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