Why Does the Right Embrace Ignorance as a Virtue?

[Dad2three]

Obama and the Democrats have been in power for six years now. The wealthy have got wealthier, the percentage of people who qualify as poor has grown to the highest level in 40 years, energy costs have been the highest in over a decade for six continuous years, more people need public assistance than ever before and you think the Repubs are to blame?

Oh, the width and depth of the hole the Bush/GOP recession put US into doesn't matter, just that we aren't completely back on track where Clinton had US before the GOP took over?

BTW, Less than 6 years, Obama came into office Jan 20th 2009 AS THE ECONOMY HAD TUMBLED 9%+ THE PREVIOUS QUARTER AND LOSING 700,0000+ JOBS A MONTH


In 8 years Bush lost 673,000+ PRIVATE sector jobs, took US from Clinton surpluses to crushing debt, AS the GOP has worked against EVERYTHING that might help US? I know, more UNFUNDED tax cuts while we go to war? Perhaps give US UNFUNDED Medicare expansion (Part D) that costs as much this decade as Obamacares does (CBO), which is 100%+ funded?


BTW, 5+ million private sector jobs under Obama, gas prices are where they were in July 2008, SLOWLY digging out of the Bush hole, WHILE the GOP refuses to get out and push


Bureau of Labor Statistics Data

The fact remains that Obamas energy policies hurt the middle class. Energy costs RAISE all other costs. Higher food costs? Extra fuel costs. Extra electricity costs? EPA regs. EVERYTHING costs more now, than six years ago. That has a direct and immediate impact on the middle class and that is PURELY OBAMA's responsibility.

Can't blame Bush for that one. That is all Obama. As far as your claim about the hole Bush put us into, that is more the fault of the media than anyone else. They went out of their way to report every negative thing they could to drive the economy down, just like now they are lying through their teeth trying to pump up Obama's "successes".

The facts are there are more people who are living in poverty AFTER Obama than before. That too is on him. There are fewer jobs in the US because of policies that HE implemented. That too is a fact.

Got it, the most energy production under Obama's 5+ years in the last 25 years, but EVERYTHING is Obama's fault? lol



NOTHING right wingers posit as 'facts' actually are, you need causation to prove it, and sorry, Bush/GOP great recession was deep AND wide...


Corp media did that huh? lol

 

[hunarcy]

Republican Acceptance of Evolution Plummets



A poll released today by the Pew Research Center reveals that acceptance of evolution among Republicans has plummeted in recent years, from 54 percent in 2009 to a jarring 43 percent today. The poll also found that a startling 48 percent of Republicans believe that all living things today have existed in their present form since the start of time.

Democrats and independents fared much better: 67 percent of Democrats accept evolution today (up from 64 percent in 2009), while 65 percent of independents accept it (down from 67 percent in 2013). Overall, 60 percent of Americans accept the basic fact that “humans and other living things have evolved over time,” meaning 40 percent support, to varying degrees, creationism.


Republicans Reject Evolution: Acceptance has plummeted among the GOP.

You say that like it's a bad thing...However, it might just be that they're right and you're a victim of brain washing.

"In June 1936 Max Hahn and his wife Emma were on a walk beside a waterfall near to London, Texas, when they noticed a rock with wood protruding from its core. They decided to take the oddity home and later cracked it open with a hammer and a chisel. What they found within shocked the archaeological and scientific community. Embedded in the rock was what appeared to be some type of ancient man made hammer.

A team of archaeologists analyzed and dated it. The rock encasing the hammer was dated to more than 400 million years old. The hammer itself turned out to be more than 500 million years old. Additionally, a section of the wooden handle had begun the metamorphosis into coal. The hammer’s head, made of more than 96% iron, is far more pure than anything nature could have achieved without assistance from relatively modern smelting methods."

Everything We Have Been Taught About Our Origins Is A Lie - Malta Now

The London Hammer: An Alleged Out-of-Place Artifact



However, the hammer was not documented in situ, and has not been reliably associated with any specific host formation. Other relatively recent implements have been found encased in by similar nodules, and can form within centuries or even decades under proper conditions (Stromberg, 2004). The hammer in question was probably dropped or discarded by a local miner or craftsman within the last few hundred years, after which dissolved limy sediment hardened into a nodule around it. Although a brief rebuttal to Baugh's hammer claims was made by Cole (1985), Baugh and a few other creationists continue to promote it. This review provides further analysis of the hammer and creationist claims about it.



The London Hammer: An Alleged Out of Place Artifact

LOL! As predicted:

"The usual methods of the conformist scientific community, when faced with such anomalies is to attempt to debunk their reported age, or perhaps endeavor to discredit the source of the report or even the reporter. If this approach fails then usually the artefacts themselves are banished to the shadowy vaults of museums and warehouses, never to be seen again. If these unusual artefacts were “one offs” then perhaps one could be forgiven for accepting the view espoused by the mainstream scientific and archaeological community that they are hoaxes or misreported stories. However, when one realizes that thousands upon thousands of these anomalous artefacts have been discovered and reported over the years, then one may need to re-evaluate ones acceptance of the integrity of mainstream archaeology and science.

Everything We Have Been Taught About Our Origins Is A Lie - Malta Now

 

[hunarcy]

Oh, the width and depth of the hole the Bush/GOP recession put US into doesn't matter, just that we aren't completely back on track where Clinton had US before the GOP took over?

BTW, Less than 6 years, Obama came into office Jan 20th 2009 AS THE ECONOMY HAD TUMBLED 9%+ THE PREVIOUS QUARTER AND LOSING 700,0000+ JOBS A MONTH


In 8 years Bush lost 673,000+ PRIVATE sector jobs, took US from Clinton surpluses to crushing debt, AS the GOP has worked against EVERYTHING that might help US? I know, more UNFUNDED tax cuts while we go to war? Perhaps give US UNFUNDED Medicare expansion (Part D) that costs as much this decade as Obamacares does (CBO), which is 100%+ funded?


BTW, 5+ million private sector jobs under Obama, gas prices are where they were in July 2008, SLOWLY digging out of the Bush hole, WHILE the GOP refuses to get out and push


Bureau of Labor Statistics Data

The fact remains that Obamas energy policies hurt the middle class. Energy costs RAISE all other costs. Higher food costs? Extra fuel costs. Extra electricity costs? EPA regs. EVERYTHING costs more now, than six years ago. That has a direct and immediate impact on the middle class and that is PURELY OBAMA's responsibility.

Can't blame Bush for that one. That is all Obama. As far as your claim about the hole Bush put us into, that is more the fault of the media than anyone else. They went out of their way to report every negative thing they could to drive the economy down, just like now they are lying through their teeth trying to pump up Obama's "successes".

The facts are there are more people who are living in poverty AFTER Obama than before. That too is on him. There are fewer jobs in the US because of policies that HE implemented. That too is a fact.

Got it, the most energy production under Obama's 5+ years in the last 25 years, but EVERYTHING is Obama's fault? lol



NOTHING right wingers posit as 'facts' actually are, you need causation to prove it, and sorry, Bush/GOP great recession was deep AND wide...


Corp media did that huh? lol

Did Obama's Administration issue the drilling permits that led to that production? In fact, how much production has occurred based on permits issued by Obama's Administration?

 

[Anathema]

Those of us on the Right place a far greater emphasis on Tradition, Values, and the concept of what one Should do rather than what one Can do. That places us quite often at odds with the Left which seems to emphasize unproven/unprovable science, and the ideal of doing what we Can without any regard for whether we Should or not. That's really where the difference is.

 

[westwall]

Oh, the width and depth of the hole the Bush/GOP recession put US into doesn't matter, just that we aren't completely back on track where Clinton had US before the GOP took over?

BTW, Less than 6 years, Obama came into office Jan 20th 2009 AS THE ECONOMY HAD TUMBLED 9%+ THE PREVIOUS QUARTER AND LOSING 700,0000+ JOBS A MONTH


In 8 years Bush lost 673,000+ PRIVATE sector jobs, took US from Clinton surpluses to crushing debt, AS the GOP has worked against EVERYTHING that might help US? I know, more UNFUNDED tax cuts while we go to war? Perhaps give US UNFUNDED Medicare expansion (Part D) that costs as much this decade as Obamacares does (CBO), which is 100%+ funded?


BTW, 5+ million private sector jobs under Obama, gas prices are where they were in July 2008, SLOWLY digging out of the Bush hole, WHILE the GOP refuses to get out and push


Bureau of Labor Statistics Data

The fact remains that Obamas energy policies hurt the middle class. Energy costs RAISE all other costs. Higher food costs? Extra fuel costs. Extra electricity costs? EPA regs. EVERYTHING costs more now, than six years ago. That has a direct and immediate impact on the middle class and that is PURELY OBAMA's responsibility.

Can't blame Bush for that one. That is all Obama. As far as your claim about the hole Bush put us into, that is more the fault of the media than anyone else. They went out of their way to report every negative thing they could to drive the economy down, just like now they are lying through their teeth trying to pump up Obama's "successes".

The facts are there are more people who are living in poverty AFTER Obama than before. That too is on him. There are fewer jobs in the US because of policies that HE implemented. That too is a fact.

Got it, the most energy production under Obama's 5+ years in the last 25 years, but EVERYTHING is Obama's fault? lol



NOTHING right wingers posit as 'facts' actually are, you need causation to prove it, and sorry, Bush/GOP great recession was deep AND wide...


Corp media did that huh? lol

Fuel costs were nearly HALF under Bush. Half. Calculate the effect of doubling the fuel costs for everything that is produced and transported in the US. Yes, that is all Obama's fault.

You're a drone. You have no mind of your own, that is clear to see. The facts are the facts, and the facts say that Obama has been one of the worst POTUS's we've ever had and I voted for him the first time around.....but not the second.

 

[hadit]

Why are liberals so insecure that they have to bolster their self-esteem by calling everyone else stupid?

 

[hunarcy]

Why are liberals so insecure that they have to bolster their self-esteem by calling everyone else stupid?

They certainly don't seem to be able tolerate ideas that are different from their own.

 

[Dad2three]

The fact remains that Obamas energy policies hurt the middle class. Energy costs RAISE all other costs. Higher food costs? Extra fuel costs. Extra electricity costs? EPA regs. EVERYTHING costs more now, than six years ago. That has a direct and immediate impact on the middle class and that is PURELY OBAMA's responsibility.

Can't blame Bush for that one. That is all Obama. As far as your claim about the hole Bush put us into, that is more the fault of the media than anyone else. They went out of their way to report every negative thing they could to drive the economy down, just like now they are lying through their teeth trying to pump up Obama's "successes".

The facts are there are more people who are living in poverty AFTER Obama than before. That too is on him. There are fewer jobs in the US because of policies that HE implemented. That too is a fact.

Got it, the most energy production under Obama's 5+ years in the last 25 years, but EVERYTHING is Obama's fault? lol



NOTHING right wingers posit as 'facts' actually are, you need causation to prove it, and sorry, Bush/GOP great recession was deep AND wide...


Corp media did that huh? lol

Did Obama's Administration issue the drilling permits that led to that production? In fact, how much production has occurred based on permits issued by Obama's Administration?

Is there 25+ year RECORD energy production or not? Everything else is irrelevant, unless you don't think energy prices aren't a result of not enough supply but market manipulation conservatives cheer-lead for?

 

[hunarcy]

Got it, the most energy production under Obama's 5+ years in the last 25 years, but EVERYTHING is Obama's fault? lol



NOTHING right wingers posit as 'facts' actually are, you need causation to prove it, and sorry, Bush/GOP great recession was deep AND wide...


Corp media did that huh? lol

Did Obama's Administration issue the drilling permits that led to that production? In fact, how much production has occurred based on permits issued by Obama's Administration?

Is there 25+ year RECORD energy production or not? Everything else is irrelevant, unless you don't think energy prices aren't a result of not enough supply but market manipulation conservatives cheer-lead for?

I see...you see the answer isn't advantageous to your political beliefs, so you can't force yourself to answer.

But, before you're excused, let's see if you can answer this...with the 25+ year RECORD energy production, did refinery capacity increase? Because that also figures into it

 

[Dad2three]

You say that like it's a bad thing...However, it might just be that they're right and you're a victim of brain washing.

"In June 1936 Max Hahn and his wife Emma were on a walk beside a waterfall near to London, Texas, when they noticed a rock with wood protruding from its core. They decided to take the oddity home and later cracked it open with a hammer and a chisel. What they found within shocked the archaeological and scientific community. Embedded in the rock was what appeared to be some type of ancient man made hammer.

A team of archaeologists analyzed and dated it. The rock encasing the hammer was dated to more than 400 million years old. The hammer itself turned out to be more than 500 million years old. Additionally, a section of the wooden handle had begun the metamorphosis into coal. The hammer’s head, made of more than 96% iron, is far more pure than anything nature could have achieved without assistance from relatively modern smelting methods."

Everything We Have Been Taught About Our Origins Is A Lie - Malta Now

The London Hammer: An Alleged Out-of-Place Artifact



However, the hammer was not documented in situ, and has not been reliably associated with any specific host formation. Other relatively recent implements have been found encased in by similar nodules, and can form within centuries or even decades under proper conditions (Stromberg, 2004). The hammer in question was probably dropped or discarded by a local miner or craftsman within the last few hundred years, after which dissolved limy sediment hardened into a nodule around it. Although a brief rebuttal to Baugh's hammer claims was made by Cole (1985), Baugh and a few other creationists continue to promote it. This review provides further analysis of the hammer and creationist claims about it.



The London Hammer: An Alleged Out of Place Artifact

LOL! As predicted:

"The usual methods of the conformist scientific community, when faced with such anomalies is to attempt to debunk their reported age, or perhaps endeavor to discredit the source of the report or even the reporter. If this approach fails then usually the artefacts themselves are banished to the shadowy vaults of museums and warehouses, never to be seen again. If these unusual artefacts were “one offs” then perhaps one could be forgiven for accepting the view espoused by the mainstream scientific and archaeological community that they are hoaxes or misreported stories. However, when one realizes that thousands upon thousands of these anomalous artefacts have been discovered and reported over the years, then one may need to re-evaluate ones acceptance of the integrity of mainstream archaeology and science.

Everything We Have Been Taught About Our Origins Is A Lie - Malta Now

Anecdotal stories with no established truths in them, spun by misinformation, lies and strawmen.

I know, the bible is 'the way' and truth right?

 

[Dad2three]

Did Obama's Administration issue the drilling permits that led to that production? In fact, how much production has occurred based on permits issued by Obama's Administration?

Is there 25+ year RECORD energy production or not? Everything else is irrelevant, unless you don't think energy prices aren't a result of not enough supply but market manipulation conservatives cheer-lead for?

I see...you see the answer isn't advantageous to your political beliefs, so you can't force yourself to answer.

But, before you're excused, let's see if you can answer this...with the 25+ year RECORD energy production, did refinery capacity increase? Because that also figures into it

So energy prices are high because oil corps don't want to build more refinery's , NOT the manipulation in the market Goldman Sachs admitted was 40% of the costs?


Why would you need the question answered again? Is there or is there not record energy production under Obama?

 

[Dad2three]

Why are liberals so insecure that they have to bolster their self-esteem by calling everyone else stupid?

Perhaps because conservatives so proudly invoke their anti intellectualism as a virtue?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

I found a great article that casts some light on the puzzling, reality-denying, seemingly insane behavior of so many of the rightwingnut AGW denier cultists who post on this forum. It could have been written with them in mind. It perfectly describes their rejection of science and evidence, as well as logic and rationality, in the service of their political/economic ideologies.

Why Does the Right Embrace Ignorance as a Virtue?
Dismissing facts and science has become a staple of conservative ideology.
AlterNet
By Amanda Marcotte
June 11, 2014
(excerpts)
Spouting off about stuff you know nothing about is traditionally considered unwise. But as the Republican war on science intensifies, ignorance has started to become not only less of a handicap, but a point of pride. In the face of expertise and facts, being belligerently ignorant—and offended that anyone dare suggest ignorance is less desirable than knowledge—has become the go-to position for many conservative politicians and pundits. Sadly, it’s a strategy that’s working, making it harder every day for liberals to argue the value of evidence and reason over wishful thinking and unblinking prejudice. ... But for modern Republicans, being downright proud of their ignorance has become a badge of honor, a way to demonstrate loyalty to the right-wing cause while also sticking it to those liberal pinheads who think there’s some kind of value in knowing what they're talking about before offering an opinion.

The thing is, shameless lying and ignorance work surprisingly well as debate tactics. It’s hard to argue with someone who not only has signaled that he doesn’t care what the truth is but is downright proud of how little he actually knows. Such a person is not amenable to being educated. Once the pretense of really caring one way or another about what is right and what is wrong has been abandoned, all avenue of discourse is shut down. The problem here is that someone who is not only so catastrophically wrong but downright proud of being an ignoramus is not going to actually bother to listen to an explanation like that. That’s why the wall of ignorance is such a powerful rhetorical tool. When you have nothing but contempt for the facts, attempts to educate you will only make your pride in your own ignorance grow stronger. The more you try to educate the proudly ignorant, the dumber they get. At the end of the day, the problem is one of identity. The conservative identity is one of being opposed to everything liberal, to the point of despising anything even associated with liberalism. As liberalism has increasingly been aligned with the values of empiricism and reason, the incentives for conservatives to reject empiricism and reason multiply. To be a “conservative” increasingly means taking a contemptuous view of reality. And so the proudly ignorant grow more belligerent, day after day.

Why do idiots make blanket statements that are demonstrably wrong? Could it be the same reason they think large, bold fonts make them look intelligent?

 

[hunarcy]

The London Hammer: An Alleged Out-of-Place Artifact



However, the hammer was not documented in situ, and has not been reliably associated with any specific host formation. Other relatively recent implements have been found encased in by similar nodules, and can form within centuries or even decades under proper conditions (Stromberg, 2004). The hammer in question was probably dropped or discarded by a local miner or craftsman within the last few hundred years, after which dissolved limy sediment hardened into a nodule around it. Although a brief rebuttal to Baugh's hammer claims was made by Cole (1985), Baugh and a few other creationists continue to promote it. This review provides further analysis of the hammer and creationist claims about it.



The London Hammer: An Alleged Out of Place Artifact

LOL! As predicted:

"The usual methods of the conformist scientific community, when faced with such anomalies is to attempt to debunk their reported age, or perhaps endeavor to discredit the source of the report or even the reporter. If this approach fails then usually the artefacts themselves are banished to the shadowy vaults of museums and warehouses, never to be seen again. If these unusual artefacts were “one offs” then perhaps one could be forgiven for accepting the view espoused by the mainstream scientific and archaeological community that they are hoaxes or misreported stories. However, when one realizes that thousands upon thousands of these anomalous artefacts have been discovered and reported over the years, then one may need to re-evaluate ones acceptance of the integrity of mainstream archaeology and science.

Everything We Have Been Taught About Our Origins Is A Lie - Malta Now

Anecdotal stories with no established truths in them, spun by misinformation, lies and strawmen.

I know, the bible is 'the way' and truth right?

Isn't it odd that this guy can't address the issue raised, then wants to imply that I get my ideas from the Bible, while the information I posted is not supporting bible content?

BTW, if the hammer was modern and merely encased in silica, how is it that the rock encasing the hammer was dated to more than 400 million years old. The hammer itself turned out to be more than 500 million years old?

How is it that a section of the wooden handle had begun the metamorphosis into coal if it were a modern hammer?

And, how is it that hammer’s head, made of more than 96% iron, is far more pure than anything nature could have achieved without assistance?

You won't be able to answer that. So, you'll just dismiss it out of hand as "anecdotal" In fact, you're dismissive of anything that doesn't support your theory, just as the topologists you try to condemn as "ignorant". That's funny!

 

[emilynghiem]

[MENTION=22971]RollingThunder[/MENTION]
As many "secular scientists" and "religious advocates"
have falsely rejected and refused to support Medical Research on Spiritual Healing
despite many long years of testimonies that Forgiveness therapy can even
cure mental and physical illness that medicine alone cannot by itself.

the FAULT is the "false division between science and religion"
which is a MUTUAL FAULT on BOTH SIDES of the divide

Sources: Dr. Francis MacNutt "Healing" Home - Christian Healing Ministries
Dr. Scott Peck "Glimpses of the Devil"
both these authors have cited BOTH SIDES for dividing science from religious teachings and therapeutic practices.
see also
Healing Is Yours

RollingThunder: if you show reluctance in "not being open minded" or "remaining ignorant"
that science can prove spiritual healing is natural, effective and in keeping with medicine,
then THAT FEAR is the problem - and clearly both the religious and the secular science
crowd have followers equally CLOSE MINDED and AFRAID of changing their perceptions!
They both become falsely secure in blaming "the other group" as the problem ("not them!")
when in fact, both are leaving out information the other has, and remain "willfully ignorant."

==============================

I found a great article that casts some light on the puzzling, reality-denying, seemingly insane behavior of so many of the rightwingnut AGW denier cultists who post on this forum. It could have been written with them in mind. It perfectly describes their rejection of science and evidence, as well as logic and rationality, in the service of their political/economic ideologies.

Why Does the Right Embrace Ignorance as a Virtue?
Dismissing facts and science has become a staple of conservative ideology.
AlterNet
By Amanda Marcotte
June 11, 2014
(excerpts)
Spouting off about stuff you know nothing about is traditionally considered unwise. But as the Republican war on science intensifies, ignorance has started to become not only less of a handicap, but a point of pride. In the face of expertise and facts, being belligerently ignorant—and offended that anyone dare suggest ignorance is less desirable than knowledge—has become the go-to position for many conservative politicians and pundits. Sadly, it’s a strategy that’s working, making it harder every day for liberals to argue the value of evidence and reason over wishful thinking and unblinking prejudice. ... But for modern Republicans, being downright proud of their ignorance has become a badge of honor, a way to demonstrate loyalty to the right-wing cause while also sticking it to those liberal pinheads who think there’s some kind of value in knowing what they're talking about before offering an opinion.

The thing is, shameless lying and ignorance work surprisingly well as debate tactics. It’s hard to argue with someone who not only has signaled that he doesn’t care what the truth is but is downright proud of how little he actually knows. Such a person is not amenable to being educated. Once the pretense of really caring one way or another about what is right and what is wrong has been abandoned, all avenue of discourse is shut down. The problem here is that someone who is not only so catastrophically wrong but downright proud of being an ignoramus is not going to actually bother to listen to an explanation like that. That’s why the wall of ignorance is such a powerful rhetorical tool. When you have nothing but contempt for the facts, attempts to educate you will only make your pride in your own ignorance grow stronger. The more you try to educate the proudly ignorant, the dumber they get. At the end of the day, the problem is one of identity. The conservative identity is one of being opposed to everything liberal, to the point of despising anything even associated with liberalism. As liberalism has increasingly been aligned with the values of empiricism and reason, the incentives for conservatives to reject empiricism and reason multiply. To be a “conservative” increasingly means taking a contemptuous view of reality. And so the proudly ignorant grow more belligerent, day after day.

Your complaints are VALID in applying to BOTH SIDES of any debate
that could be resolved using science to prove the religious teachings are equally true!

 

[westwall]

Got it, the most energy production under Obama's 5+ years in the last 25 years, but EVERYTHING is Obama's fault? lol



NOTHING right wingers posit as 'facts' actually are, you need causation to prove it, and sorry, Bush/GOP great recession was deep AND wide...


Corp media did that huh? lol

Did Obama's Administration issue the drilling permits that led to that production? In fact, how much production has occurred based on permits issued by Obama's Administration?

Is there 25+ year RECORD energy production or not? Everything else is irrelevant, unless you don't think energy prices aren't a result of not enough supply but market manipulation conservatives cheer-lead for?

There's more than 25 years. So you tell us. Why were the fuel costs under Bush almost HALF of what they are today? I'll grant you that there is market manipulation. There's no doubt of that.

However Mr. I don't seem to be able to put two and two together....that means that OBAMA is ALLOWING the oil companies to fuck you over....... Bush DIDN'T allow it....and Obama is.....


Do you finally begin to understand what sort of person you have thrown your support behind?

 

[Dad2three]

LOL! As predicted:

"The usual methods of the conformist scientific community, when faced with such anomalies is to attempt to debunk their reported age, or perhaps endeavor to discredit the source of the report or even the reporter. If this approach fails then usually the artefacts themselves are banished to the shadowy vaults of museums and warehouses, never to be seen again. If these unusual artefacts were “one offs” then perhaps one could be forgiven for accepting the view espoused by the mainstream scientific and archaeological community that they are hoaxes or misreported stories. However, when one realizes that thousands upon thousands of these anomalous artefacts have been discovered and reported over the years, then one may need to re-evaluate ones acceptance of the integrity of mainstream archaeology and science.

Everything We Have Been Taught About Our Origins Is A Lie - Malta Now

Anecdotal stories with no established truths in them, spun by misinformation, lies and strawmen.

I know, the bible is 'the way' and truth right?

Isn't it odd that this guy can't address the issue raised, then wants to imply that I get my ideas from the Bible, while the information I posted is not supporting bible content?

BTW, if the hammer was modern and merely encased in silica, how is it that the rock encasing the hammer was dated to more than 400 million years old. The hammer itself turned out to be more than 500 million years old?

How is it that a section of the wooden handle had begun the metamorphosis into coal if it were a modern hammer?

And, how is it that hammer’s head, made of more than 96% iron, is far more pure than anything nature could have achieved without assistance?

You won't be able to answer that. So, you'll just dismiss it out of hand as "anecdotal" In fact, you're dismissive of anything that doesn't support your theory, just as the topologists you try to condemn as "ignorant". That's funny!

Sorry, but if you want to argue with the scientific community that has pretty much debunked YOUR hammer theory,. have at it

Let's go through YOUR link

"A team of archaeologists analysed and dated it. The rock encasing the hammer was dated to more than 400 million years old. The hammer itself turned out to be more than 500 million years old. Additionally, a section of the wooden handle had begun the metamorphosis into coal. The hammer’s head, made of more than 96% iron, is far more pure than anything nature could have achieved without assistance from relatively modern smelting methods."

Everything We Have Been Taught About Our Origins Is A Lie | thisishowitisnow




A response to YOUR link


Really, a team of archaeologists? Not a labaratory equipped with carbondating equipment? Wait, not even carbondating - if it is 500 million years old, it follows that radiocarbon dating won't work - it allows for some 70 thousand years, but that's the limit. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. This paragraph simply doesn't live up to that - it leaves open some questions:


Daimonie: Response to [Everything We Have Been Taught About Our Origins Is A Lie]


HAVE AT IT THOUGH

 

[hunarcy]

Is there 25+ year RECORD energy production or not? Everything else is irrelevant, unless you don't think energy prices aren't a result of not enough supply but market manipulation conservatives cheer-lead for?

I see...you see the answer isn't advantageous to your political beliefs, so you can't force yourself to answer.

But, before you're excused, let's see if you can answer this...with the 25+ year RECORD energy production, did refinery capacity increase? Because that also figures into it

So energy prices are high because oil corps don't want to build more refinery's , NOT the manipulation in the market Goldman Sachs admitted was 40% of the costs?


Why would you need the question answered again? Is there or is there not record energy production under Obama?

I want the answer posted because I laugh every time one of you obamabots try to claim anything positive done by Bush becomes credited to Obama.

Second, yes, limited refinery capacity contributes to the cost of energy.

Finally, let's see a link to "the manipulation in the market Goldman Sachs admitted was 40% of the costs".

 

[Dad2three]

Did Obama's Administration issue the drilling permits that led to that production? In fact, how much production has occurred based on permits issued by Obama's Administration?

Is there 25+ year RECORD energy production or not? Everything else is irrelevant, unless you don't think energy prices aren't a result of not enough supply but market manipulation conservatives cheer-lead for?

There's more than 25 years. So you tell us. Why were the fuel costs under Bush almost HALF of what they are today? I'll grant you that there is market manipulation. There's no doubt of that.

However Mr. I don't seem to be able to put two and two together....that means that OBAMA is ALLOWING the oil companies to fuck you over....... Bush DIDN'T allow it....and Obama is.....


Do you finally begin to understand what sort of person you have thrown your support behind?

Under Bush fuel costs were half of what it is today? lol, Oh right leave out the costs of gas that hit records July 2008, pre his great recession...

July 2, 2008

Gas prices post 3rd straight record
National average gas price sets all-time high of $4.092 a gallon.

Gas prices post third straight record - Jul. 2, 2008

 

[hunarcy]

Anecdotal stories with no established truths in them, spun by misinformation, lies and strawmen.

I know, the bible is 'the way' and truth right?

Isn't it odd that this guy can't address the issue raised, then wants to imply that I get my ideas from the Bible, while the information I posted is not supporting bible content?

BTW, if the hammer was modern and merely encased in silica, how is it that the rock encasing the hammer was dated to more than 400 million years old. The hammer itself turned out to be more than 500 million years old?

How is it that a section of the wooden handle had begun the metamorphosis into coal if it were a modern hammer?

And, how is it that hammer’s head, made of more than 96% iron, is far more pure than anything nature could have achieved without assistance?

You won't be able to answer that. So, you'll just dismiss it out of hand as "anecdotal" In fact, you're dismissive of anything that doesn't support your theory, just as the topologists you try to condemn as "ignorant". That's funny!

Sorry, but if you want to argue with the scientific community that has pretty much debunked YOUR hammer theory,. have at it

Let's go through YOUR link

"A team of archaeologists analysed and dated it. The rock encasing the hammer was dated to more than 400 million years old. The hammer itself turned out to be more than 500 million years old. Additionally, a section of the wooden handle had begun the metamorphosis into coal. The hammer’s head, made of more than 96% iron, is far more pure than anything nature could have achieved without assistance from relatively modern smelting methods."

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A response to YOUR link


Really, a team of archaeologists? Not a labaratory equipped with carbondating equipment? Wait, not even carbondating - if it is 500 million years old, it follows that radiocarbon dating won't work - it allows for some 70 thousand years, but that's the limit. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. This paragraph simply doesn't live up to that - it leaves open some questions:


Daimonie: Response to [Everything We Have Been Taught About Our Origins Is A Lie]


HAVE AT IT THOUGH

I'm supposed to get excited by a blog post by some person claiming the name Daimonie? Thanks, but you'll have to do better. Perhaps something by an actual scientist?

But, I thank you for dropping your specious implication that I was talking about the Bible and trying to associate me with people who believe the Earth is only 5,000 years old.

Sorry I'm not fitting your preexisting expectations.