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no , and im not delusional too .----------------------------------------------------------
Aw, c'mon, we all know that's not going to happen. The best the Palestinians can hope for is a state in Gaza and most of the West Bank but without the major settlements and without Jerusalem if they renounce all violence, all claims on Israel and the right of return. When you consider that the alternative is to just continue the way things are or to see the land annexed by Israel, Jordan and Egypt, that's pretty good.
no, the event happened, but Isreal wasnt really responsible for itthus the denial of the events goes on....history is always related to modern events is it not?
no, the event happened, but Isreal wasnt really responsible for it
the phalanges were
one might be able to argue that Israel shouldnt have allowed them to enter, but you can not blame Israel for what they did
yeah, still fighting, and their children still dying, all because they hate the jews more than they love their childrenno , and im not delusional too .
have u seen those ppl in Gaza!!!!
they have no med-aids,no food, no nothing!
and Gaza-strip isnt large at all.
but those ppl there, stand infront of all these massacres.
they are fearless..
no one can take them down ..
60 yrs and they are still there, fighthing !
you cant blame those that didnt do the killingthat is where we differ.....you can blame anyone for their role in mass killings...how can you make that statement....
no , and im not delusional too .
have u seen those ppl in Gaza!!!!
they have no med-aids,no food, no nothing!
and Gaza-strip isnt large at all.
but those ppl there, stand infront of all these massacres.
they are fearless..
no one can take them down ..
60 yrs and they are still there, fighthing !
Now, I didn't get to answer the second part:
The people who identify themselves today are indigenous to Arabia - NOT Israel/Palestine. There may have been generations of families living in Palestine for centuries who are Arab Muslim (I believe their population around the time of the formation of British Palestine was close to 200,000), but they are still living in Israel today - they are Arab-Israelis. There are over 1 million of them. They have the same freedoms as Jewish Israelis do - they can even serve in Israel's Kenesset.
Palestine only existed as a name difference between Israel and Palestine. It was still Israel, just under a different name. The people of Iran are Persians, not Iranian. The people of Iraq are Arabs, not Iraqis.
And, why do the Arabs need yet another country? What's wrong with the ones they have?
so I'm always confused as to when "the US should step in and stop it"? Saddam did plenty of "mass killings" and we are dogs for stepping in and stopping it. Now we are dogs for not stepping in and stopping Israel.. Go figure. Kerry On
"while bodies remain buried under the rubble, while parents continue to search for their missing children, while doctors continue..." I would've added: while the Palestinians have yet to demand HAMAS stopped rattling the cage of the tiger by lobbing bombs into Israel.The death toll in Gaza continues to rise. The carnage is everywhere city streets, a mosque, hospitals, police stations, a jail, a university bus stop, a plastics factory, a television station. It seems impossible, unacceptable, to step back to analyze the situation while bodies remain buried under the rubble, while parents continue to search for their missing children, while doctors continue to labor to stitch burned and broken bodies back together without sufficient medicine or equipment. The hospitals are running short even of electricitythe Israeli blockade has denied them fuel to run the generators. It is an ironic twist on the legacy of Israels involvement in an earlier massacre in the Sabra and Shatila camps, in Lebanon back in 1982, it was the Israeli soldiers who lit the flairs, lighting the night sky so their Lebanese allies could continue to kill.
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the op is talking about the killings of refugees in the early 1980's by the christian group the phalanges.
of course no one wants to discussion these massacures...it reveals a very dark side of this "conflict" that israel would not like to discuss. how they allowed the phalanges to slaughtered the people of these camps and how the us stood by and did nothing.
i knew this would be brought up sooner or later....i will be interested to see the denial of this begin....
During the course of the fighting, alliances shifted rapidly and unpredictably. By the end of the war, nearly every party had allied with and subsequently betrayed every other party at least once.
The 1980s were especially bleak: much of Beirut lay in ruins as a result of the 1976 Karantina massacre carried out by Lebanese Christian militias, the Syrian Army shelling of Christian neighborhoods in 1978 and 1981, and the Israeli invasion that evicted the PLO from the country.
A number of atrocities and terrorist acts were committed by the Lebanese Christian Phalange as well as Palestinians and Israelis, all of whom participated in the war. These included the Damour massacre in which Palestinians massacred Christian inhabitants of the coastal town 20 miles south of Beirut, and the Sabra and Chatila massacre where Christian Phalange forces massacred civilians and refugees during three days,..
We in the west have our own "war on Terror" the Israelis murder innocent people.Is it me or is something askew here?
so I'm always confused as to when "the US should step in and stop it"? Saddam did plenty of "mass killings" and we are dogs for stepping in and stopping it. Now we are dogs for not stepping in and stopping Israel.. Go figure. Kerry On
The Palestinian people really must develop a new strategy.
Right now they are pawns of war-mongers...as are, I might add, the Isreali people.
Damned shame, too.
I think Palistine needs its own state and they should be allowed to move freely within their borders.
I'm torn on this one. I feel sorry for Isreal because they have to deal with radical arabs, but I also think they could do some things that would curb some of the violence. Its almost like they prefer the tension.
I saw a story about some Palistinian kid....
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So Isreal, stop sending new Jewish settlers into areas you know will cause problems.
José;970684 said:Instead of denying History America should be learning from it
If anything, to prevent it from repeating itself this time with America on the receiving end of the violence/land grab
Well... who cares about History at this point in time anyway?? too late to do anything.
The best thing anglos can do by now is throw in the towel and enjoy the enchilada
Saddam was indiscriminately targeting civilians and engaging in what would be considered genocide...and WE DID NOT step in. We went in much later..afterwards.
The Palestinians elected leaders HAMAS are doing the same thing.
Israel's targets are not civilians, but it is acknowledged by Israel herself that civilians get in the way of her attacks on HAMAS, but what other option has HAMAS left Israel? To just lay back and allow bombs to fall from the sky...bombs coming from GAZA?
