Why Do You Believe the Koch Brothers?

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Of all the dimwits on this forum who would fall for the Koch's bullshit, I'm not surprised you are one of them.

http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2010/winter/10-myths

The myth that the Nazis condoned homosexuality sprang up in the 1930s, started by socialist opponents of the Nazis as a slander against Nazi leaders. Credible historians believe that only one of the half-dozen leaders in Hitler's inner circle, Ernst Röhm, was gay. (Röhm was murdered on Hitler's orders in 1934.) The Nazis considered homosexuality one aspect of the "degeneracy" they were trying to eradicate.

When the National Socialist Party came to power in 1933, it quickly strengthened Germany's existing penalties against homosexuality. Heinrich Himmler, Hitler's security chief, announced that homosexuality was to be "eliminated" in Germany, along with miscegenation among the races. Historians estimate that between 50,000 and 100,000 men were arrested for homosexuality (or suspicion of it) under the Nazi regime. These men were routinely sent to concentration camps and many thousands died there.

In 1942, the Nazis instituted the death penalty for gay men. Offenders in the German military were routinely shot. Himmler put it like this: "We must exterminate these people root and branch. ... We can't permit such danger to the country; the homosexual must be completely eliminated."

As far as Soros, I've already debunked that. And do you really think that a 13 year old would be "IN CHARGE OF CONFISCATING THE LAND OF THE JEWS IN HUNGARY"?

Look. Soros' father arranged to give him a new identity as a Christian. He had to in order to save his life. There were millions of Jews in Poland and Germany at the time, rich and poor, who weren't so lucky.

Beck falsely accuses Soros of Nazi collaboration on Kristallnacht anniversary | Blog | Media Matters for America

LOL!

btw...your guy that did the Soros video also put this out. I guess you believe it too?





I swear...I really do think the other mods put "KICK ME" signs on your back while in the mod break room and laugh at your stupidity.

Thank God I don't let morons like you on my forum.

The problem with you little one is I don't fall for any of them. Unlike you I am an adult and made my mind up a long time ago that rich people are in it for themselves. If the poor get a little benefit as well, that's OK (except for that prick Soros...he wants every thin dime) but they are ALWAYS in it for themselves.

You're just too stupid to understand that. To be honest, you're so stupid I am surprised you can wipe your own ass.

 

[guno]

I would rather be poor and homeless than cede all my freedoms to a collective.

When someone else is in charge of your money, your retirement, your health care, your eating habits, etc., how does this make you any different than a slave?

 

[Missouri_Mike]

Thank God I don't let morons like you on my forum.

So what is the link to your forum? Do you have anything interesting going on there or just a bunch of left wing ball sucking?

Throw us up a link, we can probably make all of your posters look like retards like we do to you here. But you could take a chance on that not happening with a link.

Or is your super secret club unable to defend itself against reality?

Put up a link and let's see how your band of idiots do.

 

[Harry Dresden]

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Of all the dimwits on this forum who would fall for the Koch's bullshit, I'm not surprised you are one of them.

http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2010/winter/10-myths

The myth that the Nazis condoned homosexuality sprang up in the 1930s, started by socialist opponents of the Nazis as a slander against Nazi leaders. Credible historians believe that only one of the half-dozen leaders in Hitler's inner circle, Ernst Röhm, was gay. (Röhm was murdered on Hitler's orders in 1934.) The Nazis considered homosexuality one aspect of the "degeneracy" they were trying to eradicate.

When the National Socialist Party came to power in 1933, it quickly strengthened Germany's existing penalties against homosexuality. Heinrich Himmler, Hitler's security chief, announced that homosexuality was to be "eliminated" in Germany, along with miscegenation among the races. Historians estimate that between 50,000 and 100,000 men were arrested for homosexuality (or suspicion of it) under the Nazi regime. These men were routinely sent to concentration camps and many thousands died there.

In 1942, the Nazis instituted the death penalty for gay men. Offenders in the German military were routinely shot. Himmler put it like this: "We must exterminate these people root and branch. ... We can't permit such danger to the country; the homosexual must be completely eliminated."

As far as Soros, I've already debunked that. And do you really think that a 13 year old would be "IN CHARGE OF CONFISCATING THE LAND OF THE JEWS IN HUNGARY"?

Look. Soros' father arranged to give him a new identity as a Christian. He had to in order to save his life. There were millions of Jews in Poland and Germany at the time, rich and poor, who weren't so lucky.

Beck falsely accuses Soros of Nazi collaboration on Kristallnacht anniversary | Blog | Media Matters for America

LOL!

btw...your guy that did the Soros video also put this out. I guess you believe it too?





I swear...I really do think the other mods put "KICK ME" signs on your back while in the mod break room and laugh at your stupidity.

Thank God I don't let morons like you on my forum.

so its only those who agree with you who you let in?.....must be a boring forum.....i hope you and Dottie dont get on each others nerves....

 

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Of all the dimwits on this forum who would fall for the Koch's bullshit, I'm not surprised you are one of them.

http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2010/winter/10-myths

The myth that the Nazis condoned homosexuality sprang up in the 1930s, started by socialist opponents of the Nazis as a slander against Nazi leaders. Credible historians believe that only one of the half-dozen leaders in Hitler's inner circle, Ernst Röhm, was gay. (Röhm was murdered on Hitler's orders in 1934.) The Nazis considered homosexuality one aspect of the "degeneracy" they were trying to eradicate.

When the National Socialist Party came to power in 1933, it quickly strengthened Germany's existing penalties against homosexuality. Heinrich Himmler, Hitler's security chief, announced that homosexuality was to be "eliminated" in Germany, along with miscegenation among the races. Historians estimate that between 50,000 and 100,000 men were arrested for homosexuality (or suspicion of it) under the Nazi regime. These men were routinely sent to concentration camps and many thousands died there.

In 1942, the Nazis instituted the death penalty for gay men. Offenders in the German military were routinely shot. Himmler put it like this: "We must exterminate these people root and branch. ... We can't permit such danger to the country; the homosexual must be completely eliminated."

As far as Soros, I've already debunked that. And do you really think that a 13 year old would be "IN CHARGE OF CONFISCATING THE LAND OF THE JEWS IN HUNGARY"?

Look. Soros' father arranged to give him a new identity as a Christian. He had to in order to save his life. There were millions of Jews in Poland and Germany at the time, rich and poor, who weren't so lucky.

Beck falsely accuses Soros of Nazi collaboration on Kristallnacht anniversary | Blog | Media Matters for America

LOL!

btw...your guy that did the Soros video also put this out. I guess you believe it too?





I swear...I really do think the other mods put "KICK ME" signs on your back while in the mod break room and laugh at your stupidity.

Thank God I don't let morons like you on my forum.

yep, the Kochs & Rove made up a lot of the dark money spent on those *cough* "social interest" (AKA- "front") groups. The conservative puppetmasters are spending like crazy to get people who will vote for business interests over the people's interests. Kind of like ALEC.
Koch-Connected Group Revealed as Major Funder of CPPR, Other Dark Money Groups

 

[westwall]

Thank God I don't let morons like you on my forum.

So what is the link to your forum? Do you have anything interesting going on there or just a bunch of left wing ball sucking?

Throw us up a link, we can probably make all of your posters look like retards like we do to you here. But you could take a chance on that not happening with a link.

Or is your super secret club unable to defend itself against reality?

Put up a link and let's see how your band of idiots do.

He's smart enough...sort of, to know that linking to a site is against forum rules.

 

[westwall]

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Of all the dimwits on this forum who would fall for the Koch's bullshit, I'm not surprised you are one of them.

http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2010/winter/10-myths

The myth that the Nazis condoned homosexuality sprang up in the 1930s, started by socialist opponents of the Nazis as a slander against Nazi leaders. Credible historians believe that only one of the half-dozen leaders in Hitler's inner circle, Ernst Röhm, was gay. (Röhm was murdered on Hitler's orders in 1934.) The Nazis considered homosexuality one aspect of the "degeneracy" they were trying to eradicate.

When the National Socialist Party came to power in 1933, it quickly strengthened Germany's existing penalties against homosexuality. Heinrich Himmler, Hitler's security chief, announced that homosexuality was to be "eliminated" in Germany, along with miscegenation among the races. Historians estimate that between 50,000 and 100,000 men were arrested for homosexuality (or suspicion of it) under the Nazi regime. These men were routinely sent to concentration camps and many thousands died there.

In 1942, the Nazis instituted the death penalty for gay men. Offenders in the German military were routinely shot. Himmler put it like this: "We must exterminate these people root and branch. ... We can't permit such danger to the country; the homosexual must be completely eliminated."

As far as Soros, I've already debunked that. And do you really think that a 13 year old would be "IN CHARGE OF CONFISCATING THE LAND OF THE JEWS IN HUNGARY"?

Look. Soros' father arranged to give him a new identity as a Christian. He had to in order to save his life. There were millions of Jews in Poland and Germany at the time, rich and poor, who weren't so lucky.

Beck falsely accuses Soros of Nazi collaboration on Kristallnacht anniversary | Blog | Media Matters for America

LOL!

btw...your guy that did the Soros video also put this out. I guess you believe it too?





I swear...I really do think the other mods put "KICK ME" signs on your back while in the mod break room and laugh at your stupidity.

Thank God I don't let morons like you on my forum.

yep, the Kochs & Rove made up a lot of the dark money spent on those *cough* "social interest" (AKA- "front") groups. The conservative puppetmasters are spending like crazy to get people who will vote for business interests over the people's interests. Kind of like ALEC.
Koch-Connected Group Revealed as Major Funder of CPPR, Other Dark Money Groups

How about ACORN and MOVEON.ORG? Don't they count?

 

[Clementine]

Best reason to trust the Koch brothers?

They promote America and American values.

Best reason to distrust George Soros?

He profits from wreaking economic ruin. In fairness, though, he just gluts himself on other people's misery without regard to in what country they might live.

I don't know if I believe them because I have yet to hear a speech or even know what their message is. I am more focused on the message from those who might be running.

The left never questions George Soros. The Koch brothers have given to Democrat campaigns in the past, yet that is ignored. Reid took money from them, but would rather that be forgotten.

It's not about whether they are right or wrong, unless they are running for office. They have every right to donate, just like some wealthy liberals donate. Why is the left taking so much time to attack the Koch brothers? Reid is obsessed with them these days. Is he just trying to direct the public's attention away from the IRS and other scandals or has he just gone off the deep end?

 

[Howey]

Anyone want a link PM me!

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Given a choice between two business men and Harry Reid, I pick the business men.

By the way, the fact that Politifact rates a commercial put out by a group that the Kochs donate to does not mean that they are actually lies, or that the Kochs are responsible for the commercials.

 

[Two Thumbs]

PolitiFact Bias


It's a hack site.

site a reliable source then ask

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Not incredibly, we've seen many of these talking points parrotted on this forum multiple times.

Which begs the question:

Why does the right wing believe these two goons, their ads, and the candidates they support?

Why do idiots use terms they do not understand?

 

[bripat9643]

It's a fair question. They've got their grubby little hands in every aspect of American business, politics, and life. Riding on the coattails of Citizens United, their PAC, Americans For Prosperity, spent $45 million dollars on the 2012 elections - supporting Tea Party candidates and producing a slew of commercials.

Their influence, therefore, is wide. But is it honest?

PolitiFact recently took a look at the claims made by the Kochs in their most recent ads. The best they could get was two "Half True's". The rest? Scary.

At PolitiFact, we’ve tracked various ads from Americans for Prosperity since the 2010 midterms. With the renewed focus on the organization and its financial backers, we decided to review the group’s history on our Truth-O-Meter and explore more recent trends of their ad messaging leading up to the 2014 elections.

While Americans for Prosperity has weighed in on a variety of issues throughout the years, its most frequent targets are President Barack Obama’s health care law and environmental and energy regulations. Considering the Koch brothers’ holdings and stated positions, that’s no surprise. The organization often cuts an ad and tweaks it slightly so it can run in multiple districts or states.

In 13 fact checks, Americans for Prosperity has never received higher than a Half True from the PolitiFact national team. The majority of their claims have registered as False or Mostly False. (A state chapter of the group did receive a Mostly True for a claim about Georgia’s civil forfeiture laws.)

And...it's getting worse, not better.

Millions of Americans are "paying more and getting less" under Obamacare.
Americans for Prosperity, Monday, March 17th, 2014.

Says Alaska Sen. Mark Begich "is on record supporting a carbon tax, even pushing Harry Reid to make it a priority."
Americans for Prosperity, Friday, February 21st, 2014.

Says Kay Hagan "supports waivers for friends of Obama and special treatment for Congress and their staffs."
Americans for Prosperity, Tuesday, October 29th, 2013.

Says "new mandates are already reducing full-time employment."
Americans for Prosperity, Tuesday, October 29th, 2013.

Patrick Murphy voted for Obamacare in 2010, "yet he reversed himself and voted to delay" the employer mandate and the individual mandate.
Americans for Prosperity, Tuesday, July 23rd, 2013.

Says health insurance premiums will rise under Obamacare.
Americans for Prosperity, Sunday, July 7th, 2013.

Says President Obama said of the national debt, "If I don't have this done in three years, then there's going to be a one-term proposition."
Americans for Prosperity, Tuesday, August 14th, 2012.

Montana Democratic Sen. Jon Tester is "the largest recipient of lobbyist money."
Americans for Prosperity, Monday, June 18th, 2012.

Says the stimulus bill sent tax credits overseas, such as "tens of millions of dollars to build traffic lights in China."
Americans for Prosperity, Thursday, April 26th, 2012.

Says the stimulus bill sent tax credits overseas, such as "half a billion to an electric car company that created hundreds of jobs in Finland."
Americans for Prosperity, Thursday, April 26th, 2012.

Says the stimulus bill sent tax credits overseas, such as "$1.2 billion to a solar company that's building a plant in Mexico."
Americans for Prosperity, Thursday, April 26th, 2012.

"(President Barack Obama gave) half a billion in taxpayer money to help his friends at Solyndra, a business the White House knew was on the path to bankruptcy."
Americans for Prosperity, Wednesday, November 2nd, 2011.

"A government panel that didn't include cancer specialists says women shouldn't receive mammograms until age 50...If government takes over health care, recommendations like these could become the law for all kinds of diseases."
Americans for Prosperity, Tuesday, March 16th, 2010.

Why do you fucking stupid turds never ask questions like this about George Soros?

Enough said.

 

[Papageorgio]

It's a fair question. They've got their grubby little hands in every aspect of American business, politics, and life. Riding on the coattails of Citizens United, their PAC, Americans For Prosperity, spent $45 million dollars on the 2012 elections - supporting Tea Party candidates and producing a slew of commercials.

Their influence, therefore, is wide. But is it honest?

PolitiFact recently took a look at the claims made by the Kochs in their most recent ads. The best they could get was two "Half True's". The rest? Scary.

At PolitiFact, we’ve tracked various ads from Americans for Prosperity since the 2010 midterms. With the renewed focus on the organization and its financial backers, we decided to review the group’s history on our Truth-O-Meter and explore more recent trends of their ad messaging leading up to the 2014 elections.

While Americans for Prosperity has weighed in on a variety of issues throughout the years, its most frequent targets are President Barack Obama’s health care law and environmental and energy regulations. Considering the Koch brothers’ holdings and stated positions, that’s no surprise. The organization often cuts an ad and tweaks it slightly so it can run in multiple districts or states.

In 13 fact checks, Americans for Prosperity has never received higher than a Half True from the PolitiFact national team. The majority of their claims have registered as False or Mostly False. (A state chapter of the group did receive a Mostly True for a claim about Georgia’s civil forfeiture laws.)

And...it's getting worse, not better.

Millions of Americans are "paying more and getting less" under Obamacare.
Americans for Prosperity, Monday, March 17th, 2014.

Says Alaska Sen. Mark Begich "is on record supporting a carbon tax, even pushing Harry Reid to make it a priority."
Americans for Prosperity, Friday, February 21st, 2014.

Says Kay Hagan "supports waivers for friends of Obama and special treatment for Congress and their staffs."
Americans for Prosperity, Tuesday, October 29th, 2013.

Says "new mandates are already reducing full-time employment."
Americans for Prosperity, Tuesday, October 29th, 2013.

Patrick Murphy voted for Obamacare in 2010, "yet he reversed himself and voted to delay" the employer mandate and the individual mandate.
Americans for Prosperity, Tuesday, July 23rd, 2013.

Says health insurance premiums will rise under Obamacare.
Americans for Prosperity, Sunday, July 7th, 2013.

Says President Obama said of the national debt, "If I don't have this done in three years, then there's going to be a one-term proposition."
Americans for Prosperity, Tuesday, August 14th, 2012.

Montana Democratic Sen. Jon Tester is "the largest recipient of lobbyist money."
Americans for Prosperity, Monday, June 18th, 2012.

Says the stimulus bill sent tax credits overseas, such as "tens of millions of dollars to build traffic lights in China."
Americans for Prosperity, Thursday, April 26th, 2012.

Says the stimulus bill sent tax credits overseas, such as "half a billion to an electric car company that created hundreds of jobs in Finland."
Americans for Prosperity, Thursday, April 26th, 2012.

Says the stimulus bill sent tax credits overseas, such as "$1.2 billion to a solar company that's building a plant in Mexico."
Americans for Prosperity, Thursday, April 26th, 2012.

"(President Barack Obama gave) half a billion in taxpayer money to help his friends at Solyndra, a business the White House knew was on the path to bankruptcy."
Americans for Prosperity, Wednesday, November 2nd, 2011.

"A government panel that didn't include cancer specialists says women shouldn't receive mammograms until age 50...If government takes over health care, recommendations like these could become the law for all kinds of diseases."
Americans for Prosperity, Tuesday, March 16th, 2010.

Didn't you start a thread complaining about several threads on another subject?

Now you start another Koch brothers are bad thread? Makes you a hypocrite, and a big whiner. Time for you to pick the cheese.


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[Papageorgio]

Anyone want a link PM me!

More links from left wing nut sites? No thanks, you propensity for bias is well known.


Sent from my iPad using an Android.

 

[bripat9643]

Not incredibly, we've seen many of these talking points parrotted on this forum multiple times.

Which begs the question:

Why does the right wing believe these two goons, their ads, and the candidates they support?

The Tea Party runs on a platform of limited government, they are the only party that doesn't ASK for money from the government. The Republicans and Democrats want bigger government whether it be in the form of defense contracts or doubling the size the E.P.A.

People in government are out for power, pure and simple.

I don't have anyone I really admire in government, the person closest to my ideal may be Ron Paul, he doesn't admit lobbyists to his office.

That Tea Party altruism hasn't been around since 2008. Today, they're just as bad, or worse than other parties.

Wall Street Money or Tea Party Energy? | Public Campaign Action Fund

Winning non-incumbent candidates supported by the Tea Party received at least $8.5 million in the 2010 election cycle from Wall Street interests. Incumbents supported by the Tea Party raised $2.5 million from the industry.
The Chamber of Commerce made $8.3 million in independent expenditures for the 52 winning candidates supported by the Tea Party, including $4.7 million on the Senate side and $3.5 million on the House side.
At least three Tea Party-supported candidates, including two of the most prolific fundraising freshman, have been named to the House Financial Services Committee.
At least two Tea Party candidates have hired former banking lobbyists as their chiefs of staff, while one of them is a former banking lobbyist himself.

And don't kid yourself about Paul. He'll take money from lobbyists just like the next guy.

Sen. Rand Paul: Campaign Finance/Money - Top Donors - Senator 2012 | OpenSecrets

How the fuck is "Wall Street Interests" defined? And who the hell is your source for all this obvious dreck? Did you think we wouldn't notice that you don't reference the source for your claims?

You're about as credible as Alfonse Demato on paying his taxes.

 

[Harry Dresden]

The Tea Party runs on a platform of limited government, they are the only party that doesn't ASK for money from the government. The Republicans and Democrats want bigger government whether it be in the form of defense contracts or doubling the size the E.P.A.

People in government are out for power, pure and simple.

I don't have anyone I really admire in government, the person closest to my ideal may be Ron Paul, he doesn't admit lobbyists to his office.

That Tea Party altruism hasn't been around since 2008. Today, they're just as bad, or worse than other parties.

Wall Street Money or Tea Party Energy? | Public Campaign Action Fund

Winning non-incumbent candidates supported by the Tea Party received at least $8.5 million in the 2010 election cycle from Wall Street interests. Incumbents supported by the Tea Party raised $2.5 million from the industry.
The Chamber of Commerce made $8.3 million in independent expenditures for the 52 winning candidates supported by the Tea Party, including $4.7 million on the Senate side and $3.5 million on the House side.
At least three Tea Party-supported candidates, including two of the most prolific fundraising freshman, have been named to the House Financial Services Committee.
At least two Tea Party candidates have hired former banking lobbyists as their chiefs of staff, while one of them is a former banking lobbyist himself.

And don't kid yourself about Paul. He'll take money from lobbyists just like the next guy.

Sen. Rand Paul: Campaign Finance/Money - Top Donors - Senator 2012 | OpenSecrets

How the fuck is "Wall Street Interests" defined? And who the hell is your source for all this obvious dreck? Did you think we wouldn't notice that you don't reference the source for your claims?

You're about as credible as Alfonse Demato on paying his taxes.

"Dottie" backs him up.....aint that credible enough?....

 

[Stephanie]

Why is the op a useful tool who is now spreading (those Koch Brothers) because his MASTERS in the Democrat party used them for the dirty slimy politics

I'm telling you folks, this party now coming AMERICAN CITIZENS (and you included) who has the right to voice their opinion, if it's ads or just speaking about on tv.

you need to wake this party is trying to DESTROY PEOPLE they don't like

 

[Howey]

PolitiFact Bias


It's a hack site.

site a reliable source then ask

Was it a hack site when it awarded the lie of the year to Obama?

 

[Avatar4321]

Why do you think i care one wit about what the Koch brothers say?

If they are right about something, why should I oppose it? Because they are rich? That's just stupid.