Why Do You Believe the Koch Brothers?

[Harry Dresden]

Not incredibly, we've seen many of these talking points parrotted on this forum multiple times.

Which begs the question:

Why does the right wing believe these two goons, their ads, and the candidates they support?

Because they never bother to scratch beneath the surface. They just read the headlines.

sounds like the other side too....

 

[Papageorgio]

Because Soros doesn't have a multimillion dollar PAC that spreads disinformation and lies like AFP.

Of course he does. He has hundreds of them.

His total contributions since 1979 are around 8 million dollars. The Koch's spend that each election cycle.

You're not counting all the money he spends on MediaMatters.org, Think Progress and dozens of others. Here's an comprehensive list:

1. Advancement Project
2. Air America Radio
3. All of Us or None
4. Alliance for Justice
5. America Coming Together
6. America Votes
7. America's Voice
8. American Bar Association Commission on Immigration Policy
9. American Bridge 21st Century
10. American Civil Liberties Union
11. American Constitution Society for Law and Policy
12. American Family Voices
13. American Federation of Teachers
14. American Friends Service Committee
15. American Immigration Council
16. American Immigration Law Foundation
17. American Independent News Network
18. American Institute for Social Justice
19. American Library Association
20. The American Prospect, Inc.
21. Amnesty International
22. Applied Research Center
23. Arab American Institute Foundation
24. Aspen Institute
25. Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now
26. Ballot Initiative Strategy Center
27. Bill of Rights Defense Committee
28. Black Alliance for Just Immigration
29. Blueprint North Carolina
30. Brennan Center for Justice
31. Brookings Institution
32. Campaign for America's Future
33. Campaign for Better Health Care
34. Campaign for Youth Justice
35. Campus Progress
36. Casa de Maryland
37. Catalist
38. Catholics for Choice
39. Catholics in Alliance for the Common Good
40. Center for American Progress
41. Center for Community Change
42. Center for Constitutional Rights
43. Center for Economic and Policy Research
44. Center for Reproductive Rights
45. Center for Responsible Lending
46. Center on Budget and Policy Priorities
47. Center on Wisconsin Strategy (COWS)
48. Change America Now
49. Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington
50. Coalition for an International Criminal Court
51. Common Cause
52. Constitution Project
53. Defenders of Wildlife Action Fund
54. Democracy Alliance
55. Democracy 21
56. Democracy Now!
57. Democratic Justice Fund
58. Democratic Party
59. Demos
60. Drum Major Institute
61. Earthjustice
62. Economic Policy Institute
63. Electronic Privacy Information Center
64. Ella Baker Center for Human Rights
65. EMILY's List
66. Energy Action Coalition
67. Fair Immigration Reform Movement
68. Faithful America
69. Feminist Majority
70. Four Freedoms Fund
71. Free Exchange on Campus
72. Free Press
73. Funding Exchange
74. Gamaliel Foundation
75. Gisha
76. Global Centre for the Responsibility to Protect
77. Global Exchange
78. Grantmakers Without Borders
79. Green For All
80. Health Care for America Now
81. Human Rights Campaign
82. Human Rights First
83. Human Rights Watch
84. I'lam
85. Immigrant Defense Project
86. Immigrant Legal Resource Center
87. Immigrant Workers Citizenship Project
88. Immigration Advocates Network
89. Immigration Policy Center
90. Independent Media Center
91. Independent Media Institute
92. Institute for America's Future
93. Institute for New Economic Thinking
94. Institute for Policy Studies
95. Institute for Public Accuracy
96. Institute for Women's Policy Research
97. International Crisis Group
98. J Street
99. Jewish Funds for Justice
100. Joint Victory Campaign 2004
101. Justice at Stake
102. LatinoJustice PRLDF
103. Lawyers Committee for Civil Rights Under Law
104. League of United Latin American Citizens
105. League of Women Voters Education Fund
106. League of Young Voters
107. Lynne Stewart Defense Committee
108. Machsom Watch
109. MADRE
110. Malcolm X Grassroots Movement
111. Massachusetts Immigrant and Refugee Advocacy Coalition
112. Media Fund
113. Media Matters for America
114. Mercy Corps
115. Mexican American Legal Defense and Education Fund
116. Meyer, Suozzi, English and Klein, PC
117. Midwest Academy
118. Migration Policy Institute
119. Military Families Speak Out
120. MoveOn.org
121. Ms. Foundation for Women
122. NARAL Pro-Choice America
123. NAACP Legal Defense and Education Fund
124. The Nation Institute
125. National Abortion Federation
126. National Coalition to Abolish the Death Penalty
127. National Committee for Responsive Philanthropy
128. National Committee for Voting Integrity
129. National Council for Research on Women
130. National Council of La Raza
131. National Council of Women's Organizations
132. National Immigration Forum
133. National Immigration Law Center
134. National Lawyers Guild
135. National Organization for Women
136. National Partnership for Women and Families
137. National Priorities Project
138. National Public Radio
139. National Security Archive Fund
140. National Women's Law Center
141. Natural Resources Defense Council
142. New America Foundation
143. New Israel Fund
144. NewsCorpWatch
145. Pacifica Foundation
146. Peace and Security Funders Group
147. Peace Development Fund
148. People for the American Way
149. Physicians for Human Rights
150. Physicians for Social Responsibility
151. Planned Parenthood
152. Ploughshares Fund
153. Prepare New York
154. Presidential Climate Action Project
155. Prison Moratorium Project
156. Progressive Change Campaign Committee
157. Progressive States Network
158. Project Vote
159. Pro Publica
160. Proteus Fund
161. Public Citizen Foundation
162. Public Justice Center
163. Rebuild and Renew America Now (a.k.a. Unity '09)
164. Res Publica
165. Secretary of State Project
166. Sentencing Project
167. Social Justice Leadership
168. Shadow Democratic Party
169. Sojourners
170. Southern Poverty Law Center
171. State Voices
172. Talking Transition
173. Think Progress
174. Thunder Road Group
175. Tides Foundation and Tides Center
176. U.S. Public Interest Research Group
177. Universal Healthcare Action Network
178. Urban Institute
179. USAction Education Fund
180. Voto Latino
181. Working Families Party
182. World Organization Against Torture
183. YWCA World Office, Switzerland

In addition to those organizations that are funded directly by George Soros and his Open Society Institute (OSI), there are also numerous "secondary" or "indirect" affiliates of the Soros network. These include organizations which do not receive direct funding from Soros and OSI, but which are funded by one or more organizations that do.

1. Center for Progressive Leadership
2. John Adams Project
3. Moving Ideas Network (MIN)
4. New Organizing Institute
5. Think Progress
6. Vote for Change
7. Working Families Party

Nope didn't miss a one. And it still doesn't change the amount of his donations.

Open Secrets has Soros at $13,000,000 to political candidates, since 98, and that doesn't include all the other political organizations he contributes to. You are lying.


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[CaféAuLait]

It's a fair question. They've got their grubby little hands in every aspect of American business, politics, and life. Riding on the coattails of Citizens United, their PAC, Americans For Prosperity, spent $45 million dollars on the 2012 elections - supporting Tea Party candidates and producing a slew of commercials.

Their influence, therefore, is wide. But is it honest?

PolitiFact recently took a look at the claims made by the Kochs in their most recent ads. The best they could get was two "Half True's". The rest? Scary.

At PolitiFact, we’ve tracked various ads from Americans for Prosperity since the 2010 midterms. With the renewed focus on the organization and its financial backers, we decided to review the group’s history on our Truth-O-Meter and explore more recent trends of their ad messaging leading up to the 2014 elections.

While Americans for Prosperity has weighed in on a variety of issues throughout the years, its most frequent targets are President Barack Obama’s health care law and environmental and energy regulations. Considering the Koch brothers’ holdings and stated positions, that’s no surprise. The organization often cuts an ad and tweaks it slightly so it can run in multiple districts or states.

In 13 fact checks, Americans for Prosperity has never received higher than a Half True from the PolitiFact national team. The majority of their claims have registered as False or Mostly False. (A state chapter of the group did receive a Mostly True for a claim about Georgia’s civil forfeiture laws.)

And...it's getting worse, not better.

Millions of Americans are "paying more and getting less" under Obamacare.
Americans for Prosperity, Monday, March 17th, 2014.

Says Alaska Sen. Mark Begich "is on record supporting a carbon tax, even pushing Harry Reid to make it a priority."
Americans for Prosperity, Friday, February 21st, 2014.

Says Kay Hagan "supports waivers for friends of Obama and special treatment for Congress and their staffs."
Americans for Prosperity, Tuesday, October 29th, 2013.

Says "new mandates are already reducing full-time employment."
Americans for Prosperity, Tuesday, October 29th, 2013.

Patrick Murphy voted for Obamacare in 2010, "yet he reversed himself and voted to delay" the employer mandate and the individual mandate.
Americans for Prosperity, Tuesday, July 23rd, 2013.

Says health insurance premiums will rise under Obamacare.
Americans for Prosperity, Sunday, July 7th, 2013.

Says President Obama said of the national debt, "If I don't have this done in three years, then there's going to be a one-term proposition."
Americans for Prosperity, Tuesday, August 14th, 2012.

Montana Democratic Sen. Jon Tester is "the largest recipient of lobbyist money."
Americans for Prosperity, Monday, June 18th, 2012.

Says the stimulus bill sent tax credits overseas, such as "tens of millions of dollars to build traffic lights in China."
Americans for Prosperity, Thursday, April 26th, 2012.

Says the stimulus bill sent tax credits overseas, such as "half a billion to an electric car company that created hundreds of jobs in Finland."
Americans for Prosperity, Thursday, April 26th, 2012.

Says the stimulus bill sent tax credits overseas, such as "$1.2 billion to a solar company that's building a plant in Mexico."
Americans for Prosperity, Thursday, April 26th, 2012.

"(President Barack Obama gave) half a billion in taxpayer money to help his friends at Solyndra, a business the White House knew was on the path to bankruptcy."
Americans for Prosperity, Wednesday, November 2nd, 2011.

"A government panel that didn't include cancer specialists says women shouldn't receive mammograms until age 50...If government takes over health care, recommendations like these could become the law for all kinds of diseases."
Americans for Prosperity, Tuesday, March 16th, 2010.

I honestly don't understand what you are complaining about. Didn't Obama raise 770 million dollars in 2008 ( McCain raised 370 million, those awful Kochs!) and in 2012 Obama raised near a billion dollars?

Why, yes he did.

Obama unlikely to break billion-dollar fundraising mark - The Washington Post

Why are you upset about the Koch's? Obama had a hell of a lot more billionaires and millionaires supporting him, look at McCain's donations over Obamas. Get over it.

 

[Political Junky]

And yet, you give Soros a free pass because he's a progressive like you. I suggest you look up what happened to your fellow homosexuals after the NAZI's took over....you DO realize that the gay community embraced the NAZI's right? Ernst Rohm was a high ranking member of the SA till the "night of the long knives".

That's when the rulers got rid of those they felt were a weakness in their movement. Care to guess who it was that died? And what was Soro's claim when he was asked about turning his fellow Jews over to the NAZI's? "It was the happiest time of my life"

So you support a group that will use you and then murder you and you're so fucking stupid that you have never read a book to see what the future holds for you

George Soros "The Happiest Time in My Life" - YouTube

The Nazis put homosexuals in death camps along with Jews, Socialists, trade unionists, and Gypsies.

 

[CaféAuLait]

And yet, you give Soros a free pass because he's a progressive like you. I suggest you look up what happened to your fellow homosexuals after the NAZI's took over....you DO realize that the gay community embraced the NAZI's right? Ernst Rohm was a high ranking member of the SA till the "night of the long knives".

That's when the rulers got rid of those they felt were a weakness in their movement. Care to guess who it was that died? And what was Soro's claim when he was asked about turning his fellow Jews over to the NAZI's? "It was the happiest time of my life"

So you support a group that will use you and then murder you and you're so fucking stupid that you have never read a book to see what the future holds for you

George Soros "The Happiest Time in My Life" - YouTube

The Nazis put homosexuals in death camps along with Jews, Socialists, trade unionists, and Gypsies.

They did put some homosexuals in the camps but [MENTION=19507]Political Junky[/MENTION] is correct. Gay men did embrace Hitler. Do you know who the founding father of Nazism is? Ernst Rohm a homosexual.

Under Röhm, the SA also often took the side of workers in strikes and other labor disputes, attacking strikebreakers and supporting picket lines. SA intimidation contributed to the rise of the Nazis and the violent suppression of left-wing parties during electoral campaigns, but its reputation for street violence and heavy drinking was a hindrance, as was the open homosexuality of Röhm and other SA leaders such as his deputy Edmund Heines.[5][6] One American journalist would later write, "[Röhm's] chiefs, men of the rank of Gruppenfuehrer or Obergruppenfuehrer, commanding units of several hundred thousand Storm Troopers, were almost without exception homosexuals. Indeed, unless a Storm Troop officer were homosexual, he had no chance of advancement."[7] In 1931, the Münchener Post, a Social Democratic newspaper, obtained and published Röhm's letters to a friend discussing his homosexual affairs.

Hitler was aware of Röhm's homosexuality. At this point they were so close that they addressed each other as du (the German familiar form of "you"). No other top Nazi leader enjoyed that privilege, and their close association led to rumors that Hitler himself was homosexual.[7] Röhm was the only Nazi leader who dared to address Hitler by his first name "Adolf" rather than "mein Führer."[6]

As Hitler rose to national power with his appointment as Chancellor in 1933, SA members were appointed auxiliary police and marched into local government offices forcing officials to surrender their authority to the Nazis

The Night of the Long Knives began two days later. At dawn on 30 June, Hitler flew to Munich and drove to Bad Wiessee, where he personally arrested Röhm and the other SA leaders, who were all consigned to Stadelheim prison in Munich. From 30 June to 2 July 1934 the entire leadership of the SA was purged, along with many other political adversaries of the Nazis.

Hitler was hesitant in authorizing Röhm's execution, and gave him the option of suicide.

Ernst Röhm - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It is fascinating... there is another story about the history of Gay Fascists. Ill find it and post it.

 

[CaféAuLait]

This piece was written by a gay man, Johann Hari, for Huffington Post, everything he writes is historically accurate.



The Strange, Strange Story of the Gay Fascists

The twisted truth is that gay men have been at the heart of every major fascist movement that ever was - including the gay-gassing, homo-cidal Third Reich. With the exception of Jean-Marie Le Pen, all the most high-profile fascists in Europe in the past thirty years have been gay. It's time to admit something. Fascism isn't something that happens out there, a nasty habit acquired by the straight boys. It is - in part, at least - a gay thing, and it's time for non-fascist gay people to wake up and face the marching music.

Just look at our own continent over the past decade. Dutch fascist Pim Fortuyn ran on blatantly racist anti-immigrant platform, describing Islam as "a cancer" and "the biggest threat to Western civilisation today." Yet with two little fluffy dogs and a Mamma complex, he was openly, flamboyantly gay. When accused by a political opponent of hating Arabs, he replied, "How can I hate Arabs? I sucked one off last night."

Jorg Haider blasted Austria's cosy post-Nazi politics to rubble in 2000 when his neo-fascist 'Freedom Party' won a quarter of the vote and joined the country's government as a coalition partner. Several facts always cropped up in the international press coverage: his square jaw, his muscled torso, his SS-supporting father, his rabid anti-Semitism, his hatred of immigrants, his description of Auschwitz and Dachau as "punishment centres". A few newspapers mentioned that he is always surrounded by fit, fanatical young men. A handful went further and pointed out that several of these young men are openly gay. Then one left-wing German paper broke the story everybody else was hinting at. They alleged Haider is gay.

Rumours of an Indian waiter with "intimate details" of Haider's body broke into the press. The Freedom Party's general manager Gerald Miscka quickly quit, amid accusations that he was Haider's lover. Haider's close gay friend Walter Kohler - who has been photographed showing off a holstered pistol while Haider chuckled - declared his opposition to outing politicians. Haider - who was married and has two children - kept quiet while his functionaries denied the rumours. The revelation that he died after leaving a gay bar suggests these rumours were true.

On and on it goes. If you inter-railed across Europe, only stopping with gay fascists, there aren't many sights you'd miss. France's leading post-war fascist was Edouard Pfieffer, who was not batting for the straight side. Germany's leading neo-Nazi all through the eighties was called Michael Kuhnen; he died of AIDS in 1991 a few years after coming out. Martin Lee, author of a study of European fascism, explains, "For Kuhnen, there was something supermacho about being a Nazi, as well as being a homosexual, both of which enforced his sense of living on the edge, of belonging to an elite that was destined to make an impact. He told a West German journalist that homosexuals were 'especially well-suited for our task, because they do not want ties to wife, children and family.'"

it is a very long article, the rest here:

Johann Hari: The Strange, Strange Story of the Gay Fascists

 

[Political Junky]

And yet, you give Soros a free pass because he's a progressive like you. I suggest you look up what happened to your fellow homosexuals after the NAZI's took over....you DO realize that the gay community embraced the NAZI's right? Ernst Rohm was a high ranking member of the SA till the "night of the long knives".

That's when the rulers got rid of those they felt were a weakness in their movement. Care to guess who it was that died? And what was Soro's claim when he was asked about turning his fellow Jews over to the NAZI's? "It was the happiest time of my life"

So you support a group that will use you and then murder you and you're so fucking stupid that you have never read a book to see what the future holds for you

George Soros "The Happiest Time in My Life" - YouTube

The Nazis put homosexuals in death camps along with Jews, Socialists, trade unionists, and Gypsies.

They did put some homosexuals in the camps but [MENTION=19507]Political Junky[/MENTION] is correct. Gay men did embrace Hitler. Do you know who the founding father of Nazism is? Ernst Rohm a homosexual.

Hitler was aware of Röhm's homosexuality. At this point they were so close that they addressed each other as du (the German familiar form of "you"). No other top Nazi leader enjoyed that privilege, and their close association led to rumors that Hitler himself was homosexual.[7] Röhm was the only Nazi leader who dared to address Hitler by his first name "Adolf" rather than "mein Führer."[6]

As Hitler rose to national power with his appointment as Chancellor in 1933, SA members were appointed auxiliary police and marched into local government offices forcing officials to surrender their authority to the Nazis

The Night of the Long Knives began two days later. At dawn on 30 June, Hitler flew to Munich and drove to Bad Wiessee, where he personally arrested Röhm and the other SA leaders, who were all consigned to Stadelheim prison in Munich. From 30 June to 2 July 1934 the entire leadership of the SA was purged, along with many other political adversaries of the Nazis.

Hitler was hesitant in authorizing Röhm's execution, and gave him the option of suicide.

Ernst Röhm - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It is fascinating... there is another story about the history of Gay Fascists. Ill find it and post it.

Political Junky never said that homosexuals embraced Hitler.

 

[CaféAuLait]

The Nazis put homosexuals in death camps along with Jews, Socialists, trade unionists, and Gypsies.

They did put some homosexuals in the camps but [MENTION=19507]Political Junky[/MENTION] is correct. Gay men did embrace Hitler. Do you know who the founding father of Nazism is? Ernst Rohm a homosexual.

Hitler was aware of Röhm's homosexuality. At this point they were so close that they addressed each other as du (the German familiar form of "you"). No other top Nazi leader enjoyed that privilege, and their close association led to rumors that Hitler himself was homosexual.[7] Röhm was the only Nazi leader who dared to address Hitler by his first name "Adolf" rather than "mein Führer."[6]



The Night of the Long Knives began two days later. At dawn on 30 June, Hitler flew to Munich and drove to Bad Wiessee, where he personally arrested Röhm and the other SA leaders, who were all consigned to Stadelheim prison in Munich. From 30 June to 2 July 1934 the entire leadership of the SA was purged, along with many other political adversaries of the Nazis.

Hitler was hesitant in authorizing Röhm's execution, and gave him the option of suicide.

Ernst Röhm - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It is fascinating... there is another story about the history of Gay Fascists. Ill find it and post it.

Political Junky never said that homosexuals embraced Hitler.

Forgive me [MENTION=19507]Political Junky[/MENTION], I read the quote wrong, I should have tagged [MENTION=23239]westwall[/MENTION].

 

[natstew]

Read this, study it, click all the links.
George Soros - Discover the Networks

 

[Uncensored2008]

Because they never bother to scratch beneath the surface. They just read the headlines.

Is that what your master, George Soros tells you to think.

Soros is worth what, 70 times what the Koch Brothers are?

You communists are such fucking frauds.

 

[westwall]

They did put some homosexuals in the camps but [MENTION=19507]Political Junky[/MENTION] is correct. Gay men did embrace Hitler. Do you know who the founding father of Nazism is? Ernst Rohm a homosexual.





Ernst Röhm - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It is fascinating... there is another story about the history of Gay Fascists. Ill find it and post it.

Political Junky never said that homosexuals embraced Hitler.

Forgive me [MENTION=19507]Political Junky[/MENTION], I read the quote wrong, I should have tagged [MENTION=23239]westwall[/MENTION].

Yes, this is all well known history. Well, if you read a book that is.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Nope didn't miss a one. And it still doesn't change the amount of his donations.

The fact is, your owner, the owner of Barack Obama and the shameful democratic party, George Soros, can buy and sell the Koch Brothers 70 times over.

 

[Avatar4321]

Nope didn't miss a one. And it still doesn't change the amount of his donations.

Open Secrets has Soros at $13,000,000 to political candidates, since 98, and that doesn't include all the other political organizations he contributes to. You are lying.


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But if he lies long enough, maybe someone will believe him.