Why do some conservatives admire atheist/Satanist Ayn Rand?

[Contumacious]

Ayn Rand was actually not a conservative, she may have supported classical liberal government, but (unlike the Founding Fathers) her philosophy was actually socially and morally far-left and anarchist much like Nietzsche and Marquis de Sade, in fact the LaVeyan Satanist church was partly inspired by her.

So I consider her primarily an icon of the far-left, counter culture movement which promoted individualism and moral degeneracy as things to aspire to, and has definitely influenced radical movements such as transgender and pedophilia acceptance today.

You miserable piece of shit.

She supported radical uncompromising individual liberty, Capitalism and free enterprise.

Individual liberty from the federal government is different than advocating individualism on a personal level.

Individual personal liberty is just a way to legitimize degeneracy. Ayn Rand was essentially just a Satanist who wanted the government to give her the "freedom" to murder babies and be a whore.

How do the fuck did she support CLASSICAL LIBERALISM while SIMULTANEOUSLY being a far left anarchist?

She was just a radical social leftist who supported small government, her worldview was identical to those of far leftists and feminists, she just didn't believe the govt should give her a hand in it which is in someways a step up from progressives who want their lives subsidized, but not much.

Suck my rod you stupid fucktard.

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Hehehe

Got you.

A miserable , theocratic piece of shit.

A scumbag who argues that we must surrender our freedom to mysticism.


OK, Ayatollah, esther la vista.


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[IndependantAce]

Ayn Rand was actually not a conservative, she may have supported classical liberal government, but (unlike the Founding Fathers) her philosophy was actually socially and morally far-left and anarchist much like Nietzsche and Marquis de Sade, in fact the LaVeyan Satanist church was partly inspired by her.

So I consider her primarily an icon of the far-left, counter culture movement which promoted individualism and moral degeneracy as things to aspire to, and has definitely influenced radical movements such as transgender and pedophilia acceptance today.

You miserable piece of shit.

She supported radical uncompromising individual liberty, Capitalism and free enterprise.

Individual liberty from the federal government is different than advocating individualism on a personal level.

Individual personal liberty is just a way to legitimize degeneracy. Ayn Rand was essentially just a Satanist who wanted the government to give her the "freedom" to murder babies and be a whore.

How do the fuck did she support CLASSICAL LIBERALISM while SIMULTANEOUSLY being a far left anarchist?

She was just a radical social leftist who supported small government, her worldview was identical to those of far leftists and feminists, she just didn't believe the govt should give her a hand in it which is in someways a step up from progressives who want their lives subsidized, but not much.

Suck my rod you stupid fucktard.

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Hehehe

Got you.

A miserable , theocratic piece of shit.

A scumbag who argues that we must surrender our freedom to mysticism.

Freedom from the federal government and freedom be a degenerate aren't the same thing. Radical freedom is the philosophy of serial killers and pedophiles, and it leads to totalitarianism when society becomes to weak and depraved to govern itself.

The Founders simply didn't want a big government micromanaging people's lives, they didn't want "freedom" to be idolized as some desirable end in and of itself. But I believe they know that virtue was a higher individual aspiration than "freedom".

In some ways even theocratic countries are more socially stable and functional than ones which become too morally anarchic, which seems to be the case in the West today as the far-left have ventured into promoting parent's "rights" to mutilate their genitals and "non violent pedophiles" rights to be socially accepted.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Objective Realism is Libertarian...Far Right.

Radical libertarians are socially far leftist.

I don't consider people who are fiscal libertarians but socially left wing to be real conservatives myself. In order for society to work I believe there has to be a transcendent moral order; individualism as a philosophy therefore benefits the left on the whole more than the right.

Ayn Rand was actually not a conservative, she may have supported classical liberal government, but (unlike the Founding Fathers) her philosophy was actually socially and morally far-left and anarchist much like Nietzsche and Marquis de Sade, in fact the LaVeyan Satanist church was partly inspired by her.

So I consider her primarily an icon of the far-left, counter culture movement which promoted individualism and moral degeneracy as things to aspire to, and has definitely influenced radical movements such as transgender and pedophilia acceptance today.

Not all politically socially and fiscally conservative people are Christians in fact some are atheists

Then they're not traditionalist conservative, just fiscally conservative.

And you did not make that distinction in your thread title did you?

Traditional conservatives aren't usually fans of Rand or libertarianism

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Ayn Rand was actually not a conservative, she may have supported classical liberal government, but (unlike the Founding Fathers) her philosophy was actually socially and morally far-left and anarchist much like Nietzsche and Marquis de Sade, in fact the LaVeyan Satanist church was partly inspired by her.

So I consider her primarily an icon of the far-left, counter culture movement which promoted individualism and moral degeneracy as things to aspire to, and has definitely influenced radical movements such as transgender and pedophilia acceptance today.

‘Consider’ whatever you want, you are in fact wrong.

Rand is rightwing, Nietzsche Lite for Americans, purveyor of Social Darwinism and other wrongheaded nonsense that is conservative dogma.

Rand has nothing to do with ‘the left.’

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

"Sounds like a typical liberal who believes life is meaningless and that they can achieve salvation through worldly trivialities."

Sounds like the typical ignorant rightwing nitwit – the vast majority of liberals are Christians, an even larger majority are persons of faith.

 

[Norman]

Ayn Rand was actually not a conservative, she may have supported classical liberal government, but (unlike the Founding Fathers) her philosophy was actually socially and morally far-left and anarchist much like Nietzsche and Marquis de Sade, in fact the LaVeyan Satanist church was partly inspired by her.

So I consider her primarily an icon of the far-left, counter culture movement which promoted individualism and moral degeneracy as things to aspire to, and has definitely influenced radical movements such as transgender and pedophilia acceptance today.

You just had to throw that satanic in there didn't you?

Marx, the man who is responsible for 100 million dead, is satanic. Why do you worship him as a liberal regressive piece of turd?

 

[IndependantAce]

Ayn Rand was actually not a conservative, she may have supported classical liberal government, but (unlike the Founding Fathers) her philosophy was actually socially and morally far-left and anarchist much like Nietzsche and Marquis de Sade, in fact the LaVeyan Satanist church was partly inspired by her.

So I consider her primarily an icon of the far-left, counter culture movement which promoted individualism and moral degeneracy as things to aspire to, and has definitely influenced radical movements such as transgender and pedophilia acceptance today.

‘Consider’ whatever you want, you are in fact wrong.

Rand is rightwing, Nietzsche Lite for Americans, purveyor of Social Darwinism and other wrongheaded nonsense that is conservative dogma.

Rand has nothing to do with ‘the left.’

Social Darwinism comes from evolution-based morality, so of course it ties in closer to liberalism and progressivism, as "evolution" is basically their religion.

Nietzsche of course was a socially far-left atheist. In fact modern day degeneracies such as transgenderism are directly inspired by his perverted ideology, since they believe life is meaningless expect "what you make of it"; this also includes sex and sexuality being nothing more than what the person says they "feel like" they are.

 

[IndependantAce]

Ayn Rand was actually not a conservative, she may have supported classical liberal government, but (unlike the Founding Fathers) her philosophy was actually socially and morally far-left and anarchist much like Nietzsche and Marquis de Sade, in fact the LaVeyan Satanist church was partly inspired by her.

So I consider her primarily an icon of the far-left, counter culture movement which promoted individualism and moral degeneracy as things to aspire to, and has definitely influenced radical movements such as transgender and pedophilia acceptance today.

You just had to throw that satanic in there didn't you?

Marx, the man who is responsible for 100 million dead, is satanic. Why do you worship him as a liberal regressive piece of turd?

He and Ayn Rand were both Satanists. Ayn Rand wasn't a conservative, she was just a leftist who (unlike modern progressives) simply didn't want the govt to subsidize her lifestyle.

Ayn Rand would probably be delighted by partial birth abortion and transgender acceptance, her idea of "freedom' was much closer to that of the radicals in the French revolution the Founders' idea.

 

[IndependantAce]

Sounds like the typical ignorant rightwing nitwit – the vast majority of liberals are Christians, an even larger majority are persons of faith.

I don't consider "progressive Christianity" to be real Christianity; they essentially believe that "man" is the creator and a "socialist utopia" is the creation.

 

[JakeStarkey]

I see a lot of babbling assertion, but with no solid evidence of Rand's philosophy linked to clear and convincing evidence.

Begin at the begin, please.

Here's a few quotes:

A creative man is motivated by the desire to achieve, not by the desire to beat others

Sounds like a left-wing 2nd or 3rd wave feminist to me who's discontent with being submissive and wants to be a man.

Ask yourself whether the dream of heaven and greatness should be waiting for us in our graves - or whether it should be ours here and now and on this earth.

Sounds like a typical liberal who believes life is meaningless and that they can achieve salvation through worldly trivialities.

Individual rights are the means of subordinating society to moral law.

Sounds like a typical liberal who believes individuals should just "be who ever they want to be" and aren't obligated to any moral duties, if they want to cut their genitals off, or abort a healthy baby, it's their "right" according to her.

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So other than her distain for big government and income redistribution, she sounds like a typical progressive atheist to me.

She sounds like a libertarian atheist from the right.

 

[IndependantAce]

Not to mention the claims about Ryan being a Rand disciple are just an urban legend:

In April 2012, after receiving criticism from Georgetown University faculty members on his budget plan, Ryan rejected Rand's philosophy as an atheistic one, saying it "reduces human interactions down to mere contracts".[42] He also called the reports of his adherence to Rand's views an "urban legend" and stated that he was deeply influenced by his Roman Catholic faith and by Thomas Aquinas.[43] Yaron Brook, executive director of the Ayn Rand Institute, maintains that Ryan is not a Rand disciple, and that some of his proposals do not follow Rand's philosophy of limited government; Brook refers to Ryan as a "fiscal moderate".[44]

 

[IndependantAce]

[QUOTE="JakeStarkey, post: 14475362, member: 20412]
She sounds like a libertarian atheist from the right.
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I don't consider libertarian atheists real conservatives because they repudiate the notion of moral order in favor of extreme individual freedom, much like progressives. They're only fiscally right, but still in league with the far-left's social worldview.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Sounds like the typical ignorant rightwing nitwit – the vast majority of liberals are Christians, an even larger majority are persons of faith.

I don't consider "progressive Christianity" to be real Christianity; they essentially believe that "man" is the creator and a "socialist utopia" is the creation.

You clearly have no balance in real Christianity. And your understanding of the dynamic of moral order remains shallowly sophomoric at the moment.

 

[Centinel]

People admire her because she advocated for property rights, self-ownership, and liberty.

 

[JakeStarkey]

That makes her a liberal satanist, Centinel.

 

[ScienceRocks]

People admire her because she advocated for property rights, self-ownership, and liberty.

I support property rights, self-ownership and liberty too. The difference between us is the reality that I accept that we live in a civilization with hundreds of millions of other people with things like roads, bridges, the need to have a educated population and the common sense of funding science.

 

[JakeStarkey]

People admire her because she advocated for property rights, self-ownership, and liberty.

I support property rights, self-ownership and liberty too. The difference between us is the reality that I accept that we live in a civilization with hundreds of millions of other people with things like roads, bridges, the need to have a educated population and the common sense of funding science.

Does that make you a liberal satanist as well, Matt?

 

[Centinel]

I support property rights, self-ownership and liberty too. The difference between us is the reality that I accept that we live in a civilization with hundreds of millions of other people with things like roads, bridges, the need to have a educated population and the common sense of funding science.

"I support property rights, but then again I support the violation of property rights in order to achieve the ends I think are important."

Said everyone who ever violated his neighbor's rights.

 

[JakeStarkey]

I support property rights, self-ownership and liberty too. The difference between us is the reality that I accept that we live in a civilization with hundreds of millions of other people with things like roads, bridges, the need to have a educated population and the common sense of funding science.

"I support property rights, but then again I support the violation of property rights in order to achieve the ends I think are important."

Centinel, remember that you are unable to defend your half baked political philosophy.

 

[Centinel]

Centinel, remember you are unable to defend your half baked political philosophy.

Actually, I don't remember that.

I didn't think that the idea that I don't have the legitimate right to initiate force against my neighbor needs support.

Do you think you have the ethical right to initiate force against peaceful people? I don't think I do.