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Wrong. We are putting so much man made pollution in the air is is destroying the planet.
So, what you're saying is that our sins have angered the volcano god who will destroy the village unless we submit to the priests and sacrifice to appease the gods?
Damn - how original your story is....
Luckily while you right wing liars and your media continue to deny it, countries like China are moving forward because they aren't ruled by greedy corporate pollutors who tell them to keep denying the facts.
Yes, China is the model of ecological responsibility, sploogy.\
{
Chinese scientists have warned that the country's toxic air pollution is now so bad that it resembles a nuclear winter, slowing photosynthesis in plants – and potentially wreaking havoc on the country's food supply.
Beijing and broad swaths of six northern provinces have spent the past week blanketed in a dense pea-soup smog that is not expected to abate until Thursday. Beijing's concentration of PM 2.5 particles – those small enough to penetrate deep into the lungs and enter the bloodstream – hit 505 micrograms per cubic metre on Tuesday night. The World Health Organisation recommends a safe level of 25.}
China s toxic air pollution resembles nuclear winter say scientists Environment theguardian.com
We better rush to follow their lead, eh shit fer brains?
I can't stand you people. Christians, conservatives, stupid Americans. You all make me sick to my stomach.
No doubt if you could get your dictatorship, death camps would quickly follow - they always do with your type.
Religion, particularly Christianity, censures their proposed lifestyle of sexual depravity, survival of the fittest, and insitutionalized murder.
Meet The ALEC Staffers Who Help Corporations Write Our Laws
Do you even know what ALEC is?
How about the Heritage Foundation?
- It takes credit for much of President Bush's policy, both domestic and foreign, referring to Bush's policies as "straight out of the Heritage play book."
- See more at: Heritage Foundation Right Wing Watch
- Heritage supports faith-based initiatives, school vouchers, ban on abortion, overturning affirmative action programs.
You just go to the hate sites and copy and paste whatever is handy, doncha?
You're too ignorant to even find talking points on the hate sites to support a conversation. Random idiocy that jumps from topic to topic is all anyone can expect from you, isn't it?
You ever look up the market revolution, you illiterate git?
boob just gets nuttier and nuttier. Has anybody else noticed?
boob just gets nuttier and nuttier. Has anybody else noticed?
This is why I try not to talk politics with right wing fuckers. It isn't an easy explanation explaining to them why they are so dead wrong about everything. Even when you do explain it well to them, they'll just move on to another talking point and then ultimately they will circle back to the same god damn argument you initially debunked.
So it's pointless.
Do you believe in god? See? If you believe that nonsense, I guess you'll believe anything they tell you like
1. abortion is murder,
2-3. global warming and evolution are myths and
4. Iraq had wmd's.
When I say they use religion to control the dumb masses, this is the perfect post illustrating that stupidity I'm talking about. Look, for example, at how they assume we want to worship government when we just want a government that represents all of it's citizens, not just the rich.
Oh but they even have a word for that! If the government protects all of us, is that communism or socialism or class warfare?
See how they prey on the ignorant theists and lie to them? The GOP is the party of God because without God the GOP would have nothing else to offer middle class and poor Americans.
IMPORTANT:
Specifically where this concept comes from about the Left wanting to depend on Government in place of God:
Liberals like Dante and others on here have made it CLEAR they do not share, believe in or respect
the concept that "natural rights including one's life and health come from God,"
but BELIEVE that health care as a natural right comes from Government.
The DEFAULT for the Constitutionalists and Christians who believe people have Rights by Nature
given by God, ie inalienable as a human being, such as free will, liberty or free choice
is to trust these are Naturally existent, and the point of government is to DEFEND this, not dictate how
it should be managed.
The DEFAULT for the Liberals who do not believe in natural laws or rights coming from God
is to see laws as being made by the democratic process only.
that is why Dante insisted that only the Courts or Congress make decisions that decide Federal Law.
So that's where that comes from.
If the Liberals treated these natural rights equally, which they see as "religious beliefs or myths."
then we could get along under separate systems, similar to churches or nonprofits working nationally
and helping all people they can cover, but completely by voluntary participation and contributions.
But since too many Liberals REJECT this belief, of natural rights coming from God, and the right to follow it,
that's why they keep pushing policies written from the perspective that there is no such thing or choice.
This isn't fair to half the nation who believe it is the other way:
that all these wonderful rights include health and life, are already inherently ours for the asking,
and it's just a matter of getting RID of the obstacles preventing the free flow of life and resources to reach all people.
The liberals do NOT TRUST people to set up systems to serve all people,
even though churches and charities have been doing a MORE EFFICIENT job than government.
So I understand that is why liberals push to make Government the default system.
That doesn't have to be the only choice, but
since you do not trust Corporations or people running nonprofit medical programs and schools,
if you trust Government more, then that is where you will push to set up a central system for everyone.
The most telling factor is liberals don't even trust their own Party to set it up.
Otherwise we would already have singlepayer system for members who manage their own.
We'd be done by now.
Instead the liberals who want to push through Govt seem to have no concept
that people who believe in other more efficient and sustainable means of health care
have EQUAL RIGHT to representation in public policies on health care.
That is what I do not get.
They assume their way is the right way, the only way, and don't consider other choices to be valid
or protected by law.
Sealybobo, how is that any different from Christians who assume "believing in Jesus is the ONLY way to
salvation for all people," so the Atheist or other views don't even count as valid and should be wiped out as choices.
Even if it WERE the only or the best solution, it was have to be chosen by FREE WILL not imposed by Govt.
The same with health care and with prolife views of abortion.
Even if a solution that is prohealth or prolife DOES turn out to be the best for all people,
such as Spiritual Healing I have found to be most critical to equal access to sustainable health care,
it must be CHOSEN freely, not imposed by Govt.
Sorry if you can only see one side of this.
I can see both sides, so it is twice as irritating to me that each side only blames the other.
We would love it if charity solved the poverty, jobless, hunger and homeless problems and we didn't need government to step in unfortunately charities can't/aren't solving these problems so our government steps in.
For example, you may think we should do away with unemployment benefits. If you lose your job and don't have any money to last while you look for another job, either ask your family for the $ or your church.
But they can't or won't help everyone. So, our liberal progressive government came up with unemployment insurance. I'm sure conservatives think it is unconstitutional but so what? If they're going to meet me in the middle on this one they have to drop that position. Right?
When I say they use religion to control the dumb masses, this is the perfect post illustrating that stupidity I'm talking about. Look, for example, at how they assume we want to worship government when we just want a government that represents all of it's citizens, not just the rich.
Oh but they even have a word for that! If the government protects all of us, is that communism or socialism or class warfare?
See how they prey on the ignorant theists and lie to them? The GOP is the party of God because without God the GOP would have nothing else to offer middle class and poor Americans.
IMPORTANT:
Specifically where this concept comes from about the Left wanting to depend on Government in place of God:
Liberals like Dante and others on here have made it CLEAR they do not share, believe in or respect
the concept that "natural rights including one's life and health come from God,"
but BELIEVE that health care as a natural right comes from Government.
The DEFAULT for the Constitutionalists and Christians who believe people have Rights by Nature
given by God, ie inalienable as a human being, such as free will, liberty or free choice
is to trust these are Naturally existent, and the point of government is to DEFEND this, not dictate how
it should be managed.
The DEFAULT for the Liberals who do not believe in natural laws or rights coming from God
is to see laws as being made by the democratic process only.
that is why Dante insisted that only the Courts or Congress make decisions that decide Federal Law.
So that's where that comes from.
If the Liberals treated these natural rights equally, which they see as "religious beliefs or myths."
then we could get along under separate systems, similar to churches or nonprofits working nationally
and helping all people they can cover, but completely by voluntary participation and contributions.
But since too many Liberals REJECT this belief, of natural rights coming from God, and the right to follow it,
that's why they keep pushing policies written from the perspective that there is no such thing or choice.
This isn't fair to half the nation who believe it is the other way:
that all these wonderful rights include health and life, are already inherently ours for the asking,
and it's just a matter of getting RID of the obstacles preventing the free flow of life and resources to reach all people.
The liberals do NOT TRUST people to set up systems to serve all people,
even though churches and charities have been doing a MORE EFFICIENT job than government.
So I understand that is why liberals push to make Government the default system.
That doesn't have to be the only choice, but
since you do not trust Corporations or people running nonprofit medical programs and schools,
if you trust Government more, then that is where you will push to set up a central system for everyone.
The most telling factor is liberals don't even trust their own Party to set it up.
Otherwise we would already have singlepayer system for members who manage their own.
We'd be done by now.
Instead the liberals who want to push through Govt seem to have no concept
that people who believe in other more efficient and sustainable means of health care
have EQUAL RIGHT to representation in public policies on health care.
That is what I do not get.
They assume their way is the right way, the only way, and don't consider other choices to be valid
or protected by law.
Sealybobo, how is that any different from Christians who assume "believing in Jesus is the ONLY way to
salvation for all people," so the Atheist or other views don't even count as valid and should be wiped out as choices.
Even if it WERE the only or the best solution, it was have to be chosen by FREE WILL not imposed by Govt.
The same with health care and with prolife views of abortion.
Even if a solution that is prohealth or prolife DOES turn out to be the best for all people,
such as Spiritual Healing I have found to be most critical to equal access to sustainable health care,
it must be CHOSEN freely, not imposed by Govt.
Sorry if you can only see one side of this.
I can see both sides, so it is twice as irritating to me that each side only blames the other.
We would love it if charity solved the poverty, jobless, hunger and homeless problems and we didn't need government to step in unfortunately charities can't/aren't solving these problems so our government steps in.
For example, you may think we should do away with unemployment benefits. If you lose your job and don't have any money to last while you look for another job, either ask your family for the $ or your church.
But they can't or won't help everyone. So, our liberal progressive government came up with unemployment insurance. I'm sure conservatives think it is unconstitutional but so what? If they're going to meet me in the middle on this one they have to drop that position. Right?
maybe they hate it because it's totally full of crap. the republicans claim christianity and go against everything he died for. the only ones truly standing for God are those forced to be strung up for him by all us heathens that kill those we don't agree with, in the name of our God, ourselves, money or power or all of the above.Thread after thread after thread started by USMB Libs and their socks has made me ask Why do Progressives Hate Religion?
You can have Govt step in but it has to be everyone agreeing to the process since it's public.
If people don't agree, either resolve the conflicts or separate and delegate to other groups and ways, also by agreement.
No fair for one group to claim to represent the people, and override dissenters claiming they don't count.
That's not equal representation or protection of interests beliefs or creeds.
Just because both parties do this, doesn't make it right.
We need to quit doing that, abusing bullying and justifying policy made by coercion.
the best, most effective and sustainable solutions I have seen to economic, political and religious issues
are all done by voluntary participation and free choice.
When I say they use religion to control the dumb masses, this is the perfect post illustrating that stupidity I'm talking about. Look, for example, at how they assume we want to worship government when we just want a government that represents all of it's citizens, not just the rich.
Oh but they even have a word for that! If the government protects all of us, is that communism or socialism or class warfare?
See how they prey on the ignorant theists and lie to them? The GOP is the party of God because without God the GOP would have nothing else to offer middle class and poor Americans.
IMPORTANT:
Specifically where this concept comes from about the Left wanting to depend on Government in place of God:
Liberals like Dante and others on here have made it CLEAR they do not share, believe in or respect
the concept that "natural rights including one's life and health come from God,"
but BELIEVE that health care as a natural right comes from Government.
The DEFAULT for the Constitutionalists and Christians who believe people have Rights by Nature
given by God, ie inalienable as a human being, such as free will, liberty or free choice
is to trust these are Naturally existent, and the point of government is to DEFEND this, not dictate how
it should be managed.
The DEFAULT for the Liberals who do not believe in natural laws or rights coming from God
is to see laws as being made by the democratic process only.
that is why Dante insisted that only the Courts or Congress make decisions that decide Federal Law.
So that's where that comes from.
If the Liberals treated these natural rights equally, which they see as "religious beliefs or myths."
then we could get along under separate systems, similar to churches or nonprofits working nationally
and helping all people they can cover, but completely by voluntary participation and contributions.
But since too many Liberals REJECT this belief, of natural rights coming from God, and the right to follow it,
that's why they keep pushing policies written from the perspective that there is no such thing or choice.
This isn't fair to half the nation who believe it is the other way:
that all these wonderful rights include health and life, are already inherently ours for the asking,
and it's just a matter of getting RID of the obstacles preventing the free flow of life and resources to reach all people.
The liberals do NOT TRUST people to set up systems to serve all people,
even though churches and charities have been doing a MORE EFFICIENT job than government.
So I understand that is why liberals push to make Government the default system.
That doesn't have to be the only choice, but
since you do not trust Corporations or people running nonprofit medical programs and schools,
if you trust Government more, then that is where you will push to set up a central system for everyone.
The most telling factor is liberals don't even trust their own Party to set it up.
Otherwise we would already have singlepayer system for members who manage their own.
We'd be done by now.
Instead the liberals who want to push through Govt seem to have no concept
that people who believe in other more efficient and sustainable means of health care
have EQUAL RIGHT to representation in public policies on health care.
That is what I do not get.
They assume their way is the right way, the only way, and don't consider other choices to be valid
or protected by law.
Sealybobo, how is that any different from Christians who assume "believing in Jesus is the ONLY way to
salvation for all people," so the Atheist or other views don't even count as valid and should be wiped out as choices.
Even if it WERE the only or the best solution, it was have to be chosen by FREE WILL not imposed by Govt.
The same with health care and with prolife views of abortion.
Even if a solution that is prohealth or prolife DOES turn out to be the best for all people,
such as Spiritual Healing I have found to be most critical to equal access to sustainable health care,
it must be CHOSEN freely, not imposed by Govt.
Sorry if you can only see one side of this.
I can see both sides, so it is twice as irritating to me that each side only blames the other.
We would love it if charity solved the poverty, jobless, hunger and homeless problems and we didn't need government to step in unfortunately charities can't/aren't solving these problems so our government steps in.
For example, you may think we should do away with unemployment benefits. If you lose your job and don't have any money to last while you look for another job, either ask your family for the $ or your church.
But they can't or won't help everyone. So, our liberal progressive government came up with unemployment insurance. I'm sure conservatives think it is unconstitutional but so what? If they're going to meet me in the middle on this one they have to drop that position. Right?
You try to act neutral but then you bring up things like Solyndra and it exposes your conservative bias.
So you were opposed to the government investing in an alternative energy company? Why? The oil companies were dragging their feet and we need to stop all the corporate pollution.
Anyways, I'm not going to go into explaining it to you. My hunch is you just want to play devils advocate no matter what I say.
One last thing. Did Solyndra fail? Maybe that's why corporations wouldn't invest in it. This happens a lot whether it be curing diseases or coming up with new inventions like the internet. If corporations don't see an immediate ROI, they won't invest. So, we need to come up with green energy solutions. The planet is being destroyed. So, like many times in the past, when our government sees corporations refusing to take the lead, our government leads.
Our government is the referee in the game of economics. There is no such thing as free markets.
Democracy - Not The Free Market - Will Save America s Middle Class
Sorry I can't find an article where Rush or Bill O agree's with Thom Hartmann. No such article exists because they would never admit this stuff.
Democracy - Not The Free Market - Will Save America s Middle Class
No we don't have to have EVERYONE agree.
Yes and no, By the Government if you mean Enforcing Constitutional principles,
which would check Corporations and religious and political organizations equally if applied to all collective authority,
maybe Conservatives would AGREE with you.
There is a HUGE difference between
* checking against gun rights, corporate free enterprise, etc. USING the Constitution to hold people
to the same principles they are using to INVOKE their rights and freedoms "under equal protection of the laws for all"
and
* bypassing the Constitution to create whatever micromanaging regulation fits this case or that case,
instead of holding people and corporations to the laws in ALL CASES.
That would mean less government, by regulating directly:
If corporations register to be licensed under the govt to practice business locally or globally,
they have to abide by the same checks and "due process"/right to redress grievances
as Government has to respect for individuals to prevent oppression by collective authority.
There IS a way to regulate large groups using the Constitution, similar to how it is supposed to check Govt.
Nothing wrong with that, and it aligns with Conservative beliefs about the Constitution checking against abuse of power.
Why not hold Corporations, nonprofit and business entities, religious or political, any large organization
that by its construct runs the risk of oppressing individual rights and equal protections should agree to
follow the same standards that prevent Govt from being abused. And just make it consistent across the board.
And quit trying to pass more and more legislation to micromanage every application or change to operations
of every business or group in every sector or field. Why not just require that any reform or grievance that comes
up, any conflict or complaint should be addressed until resolved so nobody's rights get violated.
If you want rights and freedom under law, then respect the same for others.
No obstruction of justice, denial of due process and equal representation, etc.
but agree to protect and enforce the rights equally of all people and groups, IF you want
to operate as a US corporation or want rights, privileges, freedom and protection/security as a US citizen.
AGREE to follow basic laws, and we don't need to micromanage every little exception and application of every instance....
When I say they use religion to control the dumb masses, this is the perfect post illustrating that stupidity I'm talking about. Look, for example, at how they assume we want to worship government when we just want a government that represents all of it's citizens, not just the rich.
Oh but they even have a word for that! If the government protects all of us, is that communism or socialism or class warfare?
See how they prey on the ignorant theists and lie to them? The GOP is the party of God because without God the GOP would have nothing else to offer middle class and poor Americans.
IMPORTANT:
Specifically where this concept comes from about the Left wanting to depend on Government in place of God:
Liberals like Dante and others on here have made it CLEAR they do not share, believe in or respect
the concept that "natural rights including one's life and health come from God,"
but BELIEVE that health care as a natural right comes from Government.
The DEFAULT for the Constitutionalists and Christians who believe people have Rights by Nature
given by God, ie inalienable as a human being, such as free will, liberty or free choice
is to trust these are Naturally existent, and the point of government is to DEFEND this, not dictate how
it should be managed.
The DEFAULT for the Liberals who do not believe in natural laws or rights coming from God
is to see laws as being made by the democratic process only.
that is why Dante insisted that only the Courts or Congress make decisions that decide Federal Law.
So that's where that comes from.
If the Liberals treated these natural rights equally, which they see as "religious beliefs or myths."
then we could get along under separate systems, similar to churches or nonprofits working nationally
and helping all people they can cover, but completely by voluntary participation and contributions.
But since too many Liberals REJECT this belief, of natural rights coming from God, and the right to follow it,
that's why they keep pushing policies written from the perspective that there is no such thing or choice.
This isn't fair to half the nation who believe it is the other way:
that all these wonderful rights include health and life, are already inherently ours for the asking,
and it's just a matter of getting RID of the obstacles preventing the free flow of life and resources to reach all people.
The liberals do NOT TRUST people to set up systems to serve all people,
even though churches and charities have been doing a MORE EFFICIENT job than government.
So I understand that is why liberals push to make Government the default system.
That doesn't have to be the only choice, but
since you do not trust Corporations or people running nonprofit medical programs and schools,
if you trust Government more, then that is where you will push to set up a central system for everyone.
The most telling factor is liberals don't even trust their own Party to set it up.
Otherwise we would already have singlepayer system for members who manage their own.
We'd be done by now.
Instead the liberals who want to push through Govt seem to have no concept
that people who believe in other more efficient and sustainable means of health care
have EQUAL RIGHT to representation in public policies on health care.
That is what I do not get.
They assume their way is the right way, the only way, and don't consider other choices to be valid
or protected by law.
Sealybobo, how is that any different from Christians who assume "believing in Jesus is the ONLY way to
salvation for all people," so the Atheist or other views don't even count as valid and should be wiped out as choices.
Even if it WERE the only or the best solution, it was have to be chosen by FREE WILL not imposed by Govt.
The same with health care and with prolife views of abortion.
Even if a solution that is prohealth or prolife DOES turn out to be the best for all people,
such as Spiritual Healing I have found to be most critical to equal access to sustainable health care,
it must be CHOSEN freely, not imposed by Govt.
Sorry if you can only see one side of this.
I can see both sides, so it is twice as irritating to me that each side only blames the other.
We would love it if charity solved the poverty, jobless, hunger and homeless problems and we didn't need government to step in unfortunately charities can't/aren't solving these problems so our government steps in.
For example, you may think we should do away with unemployment benefits. If you lose your job and don't have any money to last while you look for another job, either ask your family for the $ or your church.
But they can't or won't help everyone. So, our liberal progressive government came up with unemployment insurance. I'm sure conservatives think it is unconstitutional but so what? If they're going to meet me in the middle on this one they have to drop that position. Right?
I don't know what you are talking about. But based on what I think you said, these corporations are getting legislation passed that THEY like but you and I would probably not agree with, because they have lobbyists who write the legislation and hand it over to their politicians and then those politicians pass those bills WITHOUT EVEN READING THEM.
Can you do that? Can you write legislation and give it to your Senator? Will he do anything with it other than wipe his ass?
SB said:So then you see your entire post is hogwash.
Especially where you wrote "
If corporations register to be licensed under the govt to practice business locally or globally, they have to abide by the same checks and "due process"/right to redress grievances" Really? Not if we deregulate and turn a blind eye to their illegal activities. Just look at how in 1999 we prosecuted hundreds of companies for hiring illegals and after Bush got in we hardly prosecuted any. So the laws can be on the books all the want. It's up to our government to enforce the laws and when our government is working against the people,
I don't trust my own party because it too has been taken over by the rich. The only thing we have is the vote. So they listen to us A LITTLE only in election years. The rest of the time they ignore us and serve their rich masters. In fact, they don't even have to listen to us in midterms because we are dumb as a bag of rocks. Look at how we went along with the obstructionist gop in 2010 and will vote for them this year too. Why? Because we don't vote every 2 years. Stupid Americans only vote every 4 years. It's the GOP's secret weapon.
Anyways, I don't agree with you and I'm beginning to doubt your sincerity or intelligence. Are you by chance a Libertarian? Is this just libertarian spin coming from you?
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Dumbest right wing post ever.
Survival of the Fittest is the Libertarian way. Darwin may be our boy when it comes to evolution but you guys applied his theories to your economics and dog eat dog every man for himself is the GOP way, not ours.
Institutionalized murder? You mean abortion? How many right wing christians do you think get abortions every year? I'd say half of the abortions performed this year were given to Christian whores.
But you are right about one thing. I'd like to have butt sex with you and it be ok.
I haven't really noticed progressives hating religion.
I haven't really noticed progressives hating religion.
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Dumbest right wing post ever.
Says the monkey who thinks that China is a model of environmentalism....
Survival of the Fittest is the Libertarian way. Darwin may be our boy when it comes to evolution but you guys applied his theories to your economics and dog eat dog every man for himself is the GOP way, not ours.
Survival of the fittest is reality. You seek of offer needs in exchange for goods, and don't grasp why others have contempt for you...