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Even COngress eliminated seniority as a factor. The only places that practice that are union shops. If someone is a shitbag he doesn't become less of a shitbag because he was able to last in the system more years than someone else.
Is meritocracy an ideal system? No. But it is better than anything else I've seen proposed. Including grievance culture.
In the Air Force, your time service and time in grade accounts for part of the score that determines whether or not you are promoted to the next rank.
Since when?
When I was in, the only requirements were time in rank and not shitty evals. And that was just to take the advancement test. Even if you passed it didn't mean promotion.
things like medals, certain awards, and qualifications added points.
WAPS Points
Assuming the individual is eligible for promotion, based on TIS/TIG/Skill Level, and are recommended for promotion by the commander, then the WAPS points come into play. Various factors concerning the member are worth "promotion points." Those with the most "WAPS Points" within the AFSC are the one's selected for promotion:
Promotion Fitness Examination (PFE)
This is a 100 question test about Air Force general supervisory subjects, such as history, leadership, NCO responsibilities, first aid, customs and courtesies, etc. The questions are derived from the Air Force Promotion Fitness (PFE) Manual. The maximum number of points that can be awarded is 100.
Specialty Knowledge Test (SKT)
This is a 100 question test about the individual's job in the Air Force. Most questions on the SKT are derived from the Career Development Course (CDC) that the individual had to study to be awarded their 5-skill level. The maximum number of points that can be achieved from the SKT is 100.
Time-in-Grade (TIG)
Air Force members are awarded one-half of a point for each month they have time-in-grade. Maximum number of TIG points is 60. Time-in-Service (TIS) - Members are awarded two points for each year they have in the military. Maximum number of TIS points is 40.
Awards and Decorations
Just like the Army, Air Force members receive promotion points if awarded certain military decorations (medals):
Medal of Honor - 15
Air Force/Navy Distinguished Cross - 11
Defense Distinguished Service Medal - 9
Distinguished Service Medal - 9
Silver Star - 9
Legion of Merit - 7
Defense Superior Service Medal - 7
Distinguished Flying Cross - 7
Airman’s/Soldier’s/Navy-Marine Corps/Coast Guard/Bronze Star/Defense Meritorious Service Medals/Meritorious Service Medal - 5
Purple Heart - 5
Air/Aerial Achievement - 3
Air Force/Army/Navy/Joint Services/Coast Guard Commendation Medal - 3
Air Force Recruiting Ribbon - 2
Air Force/Navy/Coast Guard/Joint Services Achievement Medal - 1
The maximum number of decoration points is 25.
Enlisted Performance Reports (EPRs)
At least once per year, enlisted members are rated by their supervisors (and the supervisor's supervisor) concerning their duty performance, behavior, appearance, motivation, leadership abilities, communicative abilities, and conduct. Part of this rating includes a promotion recommendation from one to five (with one the lowest, and five the highest). Each report must then be reviewed/approved by the squadron commander. The WAPS system converts these ratings to promotion points. Only ratings for the previous five years are used, not to exceed ten reports. Additionally, the older a report is, the less it counts in determining EPR promotion points. The maximum number of promotion points for EPRs is 135.
The Right seems to believes merit should be the only factor determining advancement. The Left seems to believe that there are other factors to be considering in addition to merit such as seniority. Sometime there will be a person that is clearly exceptional but often judging merit is purely subjective. Using seniority in conjunction with merit is IMHO the right method for determining advancement.
Even COngress eliminated seniority as a factor. The only places that practice that are union shops. If someone is a shitbag he doesn't become less of a shitbag because he was able to last in the system more years than someone else.
Is meritocracy an ideal system? No. But it is better than anything else I've seen proposed. Including grievance culture.
In the Air Force, your time service and time in grade accounts for part of the score that determines whether or not you are promoted to the next rank.
But if you don't do well in the Air Force and job knowledge exams, you won't get promoted.The Right seems to believes merit should be the only factor determining advancement. The Left seems to believe that there are other factors to be considering in addition to merit such as seniority. Sometime there will be a person that is clearly exceptional but often judging merit is purely subjective. Using seniority in conjunction with merit is IMHO the right method for determining advancement.
Even COngress eliminated seniority as a factor. The only places that practice that are union shops. If someone is a shitbag he doesn't become less of a shitbag because he was able to last in the system more years than someone else.
Is meritocracy an ideal system? No. But it is better than anything else I've seen proposed. Including grievance culture.
In the Air Force, your time service and time in grade accounts for part of the score that determines whether or not you are promoted to the next rank.
Some might argue that leftism and a meritocracy are mutually exclusive ideals, but that is not really the case. There may be conflicting elements that need to be balanced, but by and large the two could definitely coexist. Yet for some reason leftists dismiss the meritocracy concept out of hand at best, and view it as an absolute evil at worst. And I just don't understand why.
Why do leftists abhor the concept of a meritocracy?
But if you don't do well in the Air Force and job knowledge exams, you won't get promoted.Even COngress eliminated seniority as a factor. The only places that practice that are union shops. If someone is a shitbag he doesn't become less of a shitbag because he was able to last in the system more years than someone else.
Is meritocracy an ideal system? No. But it is better than anything else I've seen proposed. Including grievance culture.
In the Air Force, your time service and time in grade accounts for part of the score that determines whether or not you are promoted to the next rank.
That's ridiculous.
Right wingers love average and below. Look at how they've managed their states. Look at Texas, a cesspool with one university in the top 50. Near the bottom in high school graduates and the most polluted state in the nation. Yet right wingers see it as a "stunning success".
In fact, if the Red States weren't supported economically by Blue states, they would all be bankrupt. By taking Federal money from Blue States and propping up Red States economies, you just put that bankruptcy off a little bit longer. Ignorant people don't really contribute unless it's manual labor. Even then, you have to watch them like a hawk.
Yes, you can get promoted with decs, TIS, TIG, and EPRS...but really, does it happen very often?But if you don't do well in the Air Force and job knowledge exams, you won't get promoted.In the Air Force, your time service and time in grade accounts for part of the score that determines whether or not you are promoted to the next rank.
That's not true. The SKT only accounts for about 25% of the maximum possible score and your EPR's a little more so. You can do poorly on the SKT and get less than stellar EPR's and still get enough points to get a promotion or two. You won't make it beyond E-5 or E-6 but you can still get promoted.
That's beside the point, however.
The point is that in the Air Force seniority does in fact carry weight towards advancement. There are plenty of people who just miss a promotion one cycle and get in the next time with those few extra points from TIS and TIG.
That's ridiculous.
Right wingers love average and below. Look at how they've managed their states. Look at Texas, a cesspool with one university in the top 50. Near the bottom in high school graduates and the most polluted state in the nation. Yet right wingers see it as a "stunning success".
In fact, if the Red States weren't supported economically by Blue states, they would all be bankrupt. By taking Federal money from Blue States and propping up Red States economies, you just put that bankruptcy off a little bit longer. Ignorant people don't really contribute unless it's manual labor. Even then, you have to watch them like a hawk.
Texas is a "cesspool"? Haven't set foot in the State...have you Deanie? The most polluted State in the nation? You obviously haven't spent much time in Cali either...have you? That ain't fog in the air...it's smog. As usual you've gone out of your way to prove that you are THE biggest idiot on this board.
Yes, you can get promoted with decs, TIS, TIG, and EPRS...but really, does it happen very often?But if you don't do well in the Air Force and job knowledge exams, you won't get promoted.
That's not true. The SKT only accounts for about 25% of the maximum possible score and your EPR's a little more so. You can do poorly on the SKT and get less than stellar EPR's and still get enough points to get a promotion or two. You won't make it beyond E-5 or E-6 but you can still get promoted.
That's beside the point, however.
The point is that in the Air Force seniority does in fact carry weight towards advancement. There are plenty of people who just miss a promotion one cycle and get in the next time with those few extra points from TIS and TIG.
Yes, you can get promoted with decs, TIS, TIG, and EPRS...but really, does it happen very often?That's not true. The SKT only accounts for about 25% of the maximum possible score and your EPR's a little more so. You can do poorly on the SKT and get less than stellar EPR's and still get enough points to get a promotion or two. You won't make it beyond E-5 or E-6 but you can still get promoted.
That's beside the point, however.
The point is that in the Air Force seniority does in fact carry weight towards advancement. There are plenty of people who just miss a promotion one cycle and get in the next time with those few extra points from TIS and TIG.
Frankly, yes. You don't need to kill it on the SKT. You still get points if you are just average or below at it. Plenty of people miss promotion one cycle because they didn't do so hot on their SKT but make it the next when they get those 8 extra points from TIS and TIG and/or a point or three with an achievement or commendation medal. I knew people who missed making staff or tech one cycle but made it the next that way. I'm sure you did too. Happens all the time.
I'll agree that it's really tough to become a senior NCO that way.
Yeah, my first time I tested for Staff I missed it by 1.01 points...then had an Achievement Medal go in.Yea, look at California. Gives twice the money to the federal government as Texas. Tech is their top export and diamond, they make, are second. They supply a whole host of fruits and vegatable to the rest of the country that aren't grown any place else.That's ridiculous.
Right wingers love average and below. Look at how they've managed their states. Look at Texas, a cesspool with one university in the top 50. Near the bottom in high school graduates and the most polluted state in the nation. Yet right wingers see it as a "stunning success".
In fact, if the Red States weren't supported economically by Blue states, they would all be bankrupt. By taking Federal money from Blue States and propping up Red States economies, you just put that bankruptcy off a little bit longer. Ignorant people don't really contribute unless it's manual labor. Even then, you have to watch them like a hawk.
Yes, just look at that leftist paradise California. They have ten million more people, more money being squandered by the government and only TWO universities made it into the top 25 in this rating! Of course my uni is in the top 5!
The List is Out: America's Best Colleges - MonsterCollege
Yea, look at California. Gives twice the money to the federal government as Texas. Tech is their top export and diamond, they make, are second. They supply a whole host of fruits and vegatable to the rest of the country that aren't grown any place else.That's ridiculous.
Right wingers love average and below. Look at how they've managed their states. Look at Texas, a cesspool with one university in the top 50. Near the bottom in high school graduates and the most polluted state in the nation. Yet right wingers see it as a "stunning success".
In fact, if the Red States weren't supported economically by Blue states, they would all be bankrupt. By taking Federal money from Blue States and propping up Red States economies, you just put that bankruptcy off a little bit longer. Ignorant people don't really contribute unless it's manual labor. Even then, you have to watch them like a hawk.
Yes, just look at that leftist paradise California. They have ten million more people, more money being squandered by the government and only TWO universities made it into the top 25 in this rating! Of course my uni is in the top 5!
The List is Out: America's Best Colleges - MonsterCollege
Yea, California. What Republicans call a failure. Unlike Mississippi and Tennessee and Kentucky. Stunning successes, each and every one.
Um, actually, Texas is third, behind Ohio and Kentucky.That's ridiculous.
Right wingers love average and below. Look at how they've managed their states. Look at Texas, a cesspool with one university in the top 50. Near the bottom in high school graduates and the most polluted state in the nation. Yet right wingers see it as a "stunning success".
In fact, if the Red States weren't supported economically by Blue states, they would all be bankrupt. By taking Federal money from Blue States and propping up Red States economies, you just put that bankruptcy off a little bit longer. Ignorant people don't really contribute unless it's manual labor. Even then, you have to watch them like a hawk.
Texas is a "cesspool"? Haven't set foot in the State...have you Deanie? The most polluted State in the nation? You obviously haven't spent much time in Cali either...have you? That ain't fog in the air...it's smog. As usual you've gone out of your way to prove that you are THE biggest idiot on this board.
Really? You sure about that? Didn't see a link.Yea, look at California. Gives twice the money to the federal government as Texas. Tech is their top export and diamond, they make, are second. They supply a whole host of fruits and vegatable to the rest of the country that aren't grown any place else.That's ridiculous.
Right wingers love average and below. Look at how they've managed their states. Look at Texas, a cesspool with one university in the top 50. Near the bottom in high school graduates and the most polluted state in the nation. Yet right wingers see it as a "stunning success".
In fact, if the Red States weren't supported economically by Blue states, they would all be bankrupt. By taking Federal money from Blue States and propping up Red States economies, you just put that bankruptcy off a little bit longer. Ignorant people don't really contribute unless it's manual labor. Even then, you have to watch them like a hawk.
Yes, just look at that leftist paradise California. They have ten million more people, more money being squandered by the government and only TWO universities made it into the top 25 in this rating! Of course my uni is in the top 5!
The List is Out: America's Best Colleges - MonsterCollege
Yea, California. What Republicans call a failure. Unlike Mississippi and Tennessee and Kentucky. Stunning successes, each and every one.
Gosh you're stupid. Look how many Federal bases there are in Texas compared to California. THAT'S where all of that money is going dipshit. It's not welfare, it's paying for all of those Federal Army, Navy, and Air Force bases that are all over the state of Texas. Are you capable of wiping your own ass or do you need help for that?
Really? You sure about that? Didn't see a link.Yea, look at California. Gives twice the money to the federal government as Texas. Tech is their top export and diamond, they make, are second. They supply a whole host of fruits and vegatable to the rest of the country that aren't grown any place else.That's ridiculous.
Right wingers love average and below. Look at how they've managed their states. Look at Texas, a cesspool with one university in the top 50. Near the bottom in high school graduates and the most polluted state in the nation. Yet right wingers see it as a "stunning success".
In fact, if the Red States weren't supported economically by Blue states, they would all be bankrupt. By taking Federal money from Blue States and propping up Red States economies, you just put that bankruptcy off a little bit longer. Ignorant people don't really contribute unless it's manual labor. Even then, you have to watch them like a hawk.
Yes, just look at that leftist paradise California. They have ten million more people, more money being squandered by the government and only TWO universities made it into the top 25 in this rating! Of course my uni is in the top 5!
The List is Out: America's Best Colleges - MonsterCollege
Yea, California. What Republicans call a failure. Unlike Mississippi and Tennessee and Kentucky. Stunning successes, each and every one.
Gosh you're stupid. Look how many Federal bases there are in Texas compared to California. THAT'S where all of that money is going dipshit. It's not welfare, it's paying for all of those Federal Army, Navy, and Air Force bases that are all over the state of Texas. Are you capable of wiping your own ass or do you need help for that?
Some might argue that leftism and a meritocracy are mutually exclusive ideals, but that is not really the case. There may be conflicting elements that need to be balanced, but by and large the two could definitely coexist. Yet for some reason leftists dismiss the meritocracy concept out of hand at best, and view it as an absolute evil at worst. And I just don't understand why.
Why do leftists abhor the concept of a meritocracy?
