Why do conservatives advocate bureaucrats being between you & a doctor?

[Political Junky]

Do you really want a government employee telling you what you need and what you don't need when it comes to you and your family's health????

Do you want an insurance company employee telling you what you need and what you don't need when it comes to you and your family's health?

It is EXACTLY the same thing.

I've had clinic bureaucrats come between me and treatment because, even though I flashed a pocketful of $100.00 bills in their faces, I had no insurance.

Now, that's fucked up.

LOL, I can picture you doing that.

 

[Oddball]

You don't know jack shit about me, Buckwheat.

 

[Full-Auto]

Do you really want a government employee telling you what you need and what you don't need when it comes to you and your family's health????

Do you want an insurance company employee telling you what you need and what you don't need when it comes to you and your family's health?

It is EXACTLY the same thing.

Except, that with private insurance I understood my coverage when I purchased the policy, but hey support rationed care. It will lead to the next uprising.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Why do conservatives advocate bureaucrats being between you & a doctor?...

It's the same as the government being between you and a doctor with universal healthcare. The only difference is the government will put all the competition out of business and then Americans will have only one provider. At least with our current system there is some competition.

Funny how the private companies spend about 31 cents out of ever dollar on administration. Medicare spends about 3 cents.
That's why the private companies can't compete ... they're bloated.

the same was said about the Post Office.....look at UPS and FedX....compitition took away a hell of a lot of the parcel business and overnight deliveries....the only one BLOATED is the govt one...so much for CANT COMPETE....

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

It's the same as the government being between you and a doctor with universal healthcare. The only difference is the government will put all the competition out of business and then Americans will have only one provider. At least with our current system there is some competition.

Funny how the private companies spend about 31 cents out of ever dollar on administration. Medicare spends about 3 cents.
That's why the private companies can't compete ... they're bloated.

the same was said about the Post Office.....look at UPS and FedX....compitition took away a hell of a lot of the parcel business and overnight deliveries....the only one BLOATED is the govt one...so much for CANT COMPETE....

the USPS delivers most everywhere and this analogy is similar to putting up side by side Charter schools next to Public schools. APples and oranges--still fruit, but no cigar.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

You don't know jack shit about me, Buckwheat.

we do know that you are full of shit and jack off whenever you post, so...

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

It's the same as the government being between you and a doctor with universal healthcare. The only difference is the government will put all the competition out of business and then Americans will have only one provider. At least with our current system there is some competition.

Funny how the private companies spend about 31 cents out of ever dollar on administration. Medicare spends about 3 cents.
That's why the private companies can't compete ... they're bloated.

Nice liberal spin. Here's the truth:

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But like many core beliefs of the left, the claim that government-run health care has lower administrative costs than private care is just plain false. New York Times columnist Paul Krugman, for example, likes to cite data showing that Medicare only spends 3% of its total outlays on administrative costs compared to 14-22% for private care. The numbers themselves are correct, but measuring administrative efficiency by a percentage of total costs is completely useless. Heritage fellow Robert Book explains:

Imagine, for a moment, that Fred and Jane each have a credit card from a different bank. Fred charges $5,000 a month, and Jane charges $1,000 a month. Suppose it costs each bank $5 to produce and send a plastic credit card when the account is opened. That $5 “administrative cost” is a much lower percentage of Fred’s monthly charges than it is of Jane’s, but that does not mean Fred’s bank is more efficient. It is purely a mathematical artifact of Fred’s charging pattern, and it would be silly to compare the efficiency of bank operations on that basis. Yet that is how many analysts compare Medicare with private insurance.

A much more accurate way of capturing each system’s true administrative costs is by a per-patient basis. When this is done, government-run health care’s administrative costs are routinely higher than private care. In the years from 2000 to 2005, Medicare’s administrative costs per beneficiary were consistently higher than that for private insurance, ranging from 5 to 48 percent higher, depending on the year. This is despite the fact that private-sector “administrative” costs include state health insurance premium taxes of up to 4 percent (averaging around 2 percent, depending on the state)–an expense from which Medicare is exempt–as well as the cost of non-claim health care expenses, such as disease management and on-call nurse consultation services.


Morning Bell: The Truth About Medicare’s Administrative Costs » The Foundry

A Heritage fellow pulling facts together to attack a government program. What else is new. I wonder how his data was collected and how it was manipulated.

 

[probus]

if we let these idiots screw up the best health care system in the world i guarantee we'll regret it a lot sooner than our children will by the time they get to keep paying for it-- whew, i think i need to spit-- how can anyone in there right mind who has any clue as to how govt. works want them death gripping our health care system?!-- has anyone looked into the US Post Office, Amtrak, Social Security, Medicaid etc. lately?-- sure, just give 'em the keys to the kingdom-- let them take it around the block a few times and see if they can blow the engine-- nothing to lose, right?-- jesus wept-- and i'm not even religious-- Regards, probus

 

[Political Junky]

Do you really want a government employee telling you what you need and what you don't need when it comes to you and your family's health????

Do you want an insurance company employee telling you what you need and what you don't need when it comes to you and your family's health?

It is EXACTLY the same thing.

Of course it's the same thing ... both are bureaucrats. The private bureaucrat is more likely to deny you coverage.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

if we let these idiots screw up the best health care system in the world i guarantee we'll regret it a lot sooner than our children will by the time they get to keep paying for it-- whew, i think i need to spit-- how can anyone in there right mind who has any clue as to how govt. works want them death gripping our health care system?!-- has anyone looked into the US Post Office, Amtrak, Social Security, Medicaid etc. lately?-- sure, just give 'em the keys to the kingdom-- let them take it around the block a few times and see if they can blow the engine-- nothing to lose, right?-- jesus wept-- and i'm not even religious-- Regards, probus

nobody wants to touch the health care system ypou speak of,...only the insurance part.

the Insurance part of US Health care is N-O-T the best in the world. just ask anyone who has ever been gravely ill or in need of specialized care and meds.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Why do conservatives advocate bureaucrats being between you & a doctor?

Why do they demand profit driven bureaucrats being between you & a doctor? I mean how do these bureaucrats make a profit?

I should've asked why people want to defend the insurance companies while hiding behind medicine. One exists without the other and the other leeches off of the other.

The medical insurance industry in the US is N-O-T the best in the world. US medicine and research, much of it government funded (oh the horror!) is some of the best in the world. Research and medicine will not be effected by single payer or whatever,


some of you are just tools and fools of the insurance industry,

sad but true

 

[xotoxi]

Do you really want a government employee telling you what you need and what you don't need when it comes to you and your family's health????

Do you want an insurance company employee telling you what you need and what you don't need when it comes to you and your family's health?

It is EXACTLY the same thing.

Of course it's the same thing ... both are bureaucrats. The private bureaucrat is more likely to deny you coverage.

Precisely.

 

[Epsilon Delta]

DevNell, you're just a pinko commie trying to turn the US into a backwater third world socialist nation like Sweden or Norway. Americans are rugged individualists who need no national health care, like other rugged individualist nations with no national health care, El Salvador or Somalia for example.

 

[Political Junky]

DevNell, you're just a pinko commie trying to turn the US into a backwater third world socialist nation like Sweden or Norway. Americans are rugged individualists who need no national health care, like other rugged individualist nations with no national health care, El Salvador or Somalia for example.

Sweden and Norway are doing just fine, thanks.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

DevNell, you're just a pinko commie...

wwhat a quaint use of phrase. too funny.


and no, I am no communist. Communism has n-e-v-e-r appealed to me in the slighhtest.

...trying to turn the US into a backwater third world socialist nation like Sweden or Norway. Americans are rugged individualists who need no national health care, like other rugged individualist nations with no national health care, El Salvador or Somalia for example.

Sweden and Norway are hardly backwaters.

time to ignore your rants. It's not nice to encourage dwarfism of the moind.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Funny how the private companies spend about 31 cents out of ever dollar on administration. Medicare spends about 3 cents.
That's why the private companies can't compete ... they're bloated.

the same was said about the Post Office.....look at UPS and FedX....compitition took away a hell of a lot of the parcel business and overnight deliveries....the only one BLOATED is the govt one...so much for CANT COMPETE....

the USPS delivers most everywhere and this analogy is similar to putting up side by side Charter schools next to Public schools. APples and oranges--still fruit, but no cigar.

but the point was....the PO is BLOATED with management....many absolutly useless making good money....

 

[probus]

of course u'r right dev about insurance companies but don't ya just wonder, a little bit, that if we screw too much with what's in place that we'll not get the same "care" that we're used to and expect in this nation?-- no way i trust them or theirs to run this shit-- no way-- Regards, probus

 

[Epsilon Delta]

devnell, you're just a pinko commie trying to turn the us into a backwater third world socialist nation like sweden or norway. Americans are rugged individualists who need no national health care, like other rugged individualist nations with no national health care, el salvador or somalia for example.

sweden and norway are doing just fine, thanks.

devnell, you're just a pinko commie...

wwhat a quaint use of phrase. Too funny.


And no, i am no communist. Communism has n-e-v-e-r appealed to me in the slighhtest.

...trying to turn the us into a backwater third world socialist nation like sweden or norway. Americans are rugged individualists who need no national health care, like other rugged individualist nations with no national health care, el salvador or somalia for example.

sweden and norway are hardly backwaters.

Time to ignore your rants. It's not nice to encourage dwarfism of the moind.

C'mon guys, wasn't the 'like El Salvador or Somalia' part enough of a clue?

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

the same was said about the Post Office.....look at UPS and FedX....compitition took away a hell of a lot of the parcel business and overnight deliveries....the only one BLOATED is the govt one...so much for CANT COMPETE....

the USPS delivers most everywhere and this analogy is similar to putting up side by side Charter schools next to Public schools. APples and oranges--still fruit, but no cigar.

but the point was....the PO is BLOATED with management....many absolutly useless making good money....

Yeah and the auto industry and the finacial industry were paragons of capitalistic virtue.

The point is there is room for government and private enterprise to exist together.

But when it comes to health care I have yet to hear a coherent argument stating why we N-E-E-D profit making insurance involved.

again, I will link to an intelligent look at health care in 5 |Capitalist Democracies...flaws and all. pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/sickaroundtheworld/countries/

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

of course u'r right dev about insurance companies but don't ya just wonder, a little bit, that if we screw too much with what's in place that we'll not get the same "care" that we're used to and expect in this nation?-- no way i trust them or theirs to run this shit-- no way-- Regards, probus

I have switched health care plans while with teh same employer and my doctor gave me the same exact care. It made no difference who paid for it---execpt for the time they did \N-O-T want to pay.

The US government sends out muillions of checks on time every month. They do some things right and well.