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um, the first colonists were governed by the british crown. some, not all, were running away from religious persecution. they were also dead for 100+ yrs by the time of the revolution.
try again.
Try what again?
You've just admitted there was governance prior to private industry in this country.
You failed Del.
There's never been a country in which first..there was a private business..then government.
don't hurt yourself carrying those goal posts back and forth.
this country isn't a british crown colony, and never is a long long time.
have a pleasant evening
Private business has never started a country. Just hasn't happened.
In 2007, political scientist, author and professor of political science at the Boisi Center for Religion and American Public Life at Boston College, Alan Wolfe, wrote an article for Washington Monthly, titled "Why Conservatives Can't Govern." In that article, he stated:
"Liberals, while enjoying the perquisites of office, also want to be in a position to use government to solve problems. But conservatives have different motives for wanting power. One is to prevent liberals from doing so; if government cannot be made to disappear, at least it can be prevented from doing any good. The other is to build a political machine in which business and the Republican Party can exchange mutual favors; business will lavish cash on politicians (called campaign comtributions) while politicians will throw the money back at business (called public policy). Conservatism will always attract its share of young idealists. And young idealists will always be disillusioned by the sheer amount of corruption that people like Gingrich and DeLay generate. If yesterday's conservative was a liberal mugged by reality, today's is a free-marketer fattened by pork."
Strong words - and obviously written by one with a liberal agenda. But how close to truth are these words? Few can deny the love affair that has been going on between Big Business and the Republican Party lo these many decades. Few can deny the way in which the Republican Party has attempted to strangle Democratic attempts to do, well, just about anything. You may differ, but I have not seen anything close to approaching that coming from the left toward the right.
No corruption here, you say. Hmmm . . . now just exactly what is it that Tom DeLay is doing these days . . . . . ?
Strong words. Words for discussion, seems to me. Anyone want to step up?
Oh, the irony in this post! The other is to build a political machine in which business and the Republican Party can exchange mutual favors
You cannot govern well if you hate government. And since government is we the people and Republicans hate we the people, this is pretty much a no brainer.In 2007, political scientist, author and professor of political science at the Boisi Center for Religion and American Public Life at Boston College, Alan Wolfe, wrote an article for Washington Monthly, titled "Why Conservatives Can't Govern." In that article, he stated:
Strong words - and obviously written by one with a liberal agenda. But how close to truth are these words? Few can deny the love affair that has been going on between Big Business and the Republican Party lo these many decades. Few can deny the way in which the Republican Party has attempted to strangle Democratic attempts to do, well, just about anything. You may differ, but I have not seen anything close to approaching that coming from the left toward the right."Liberals, while enjoying the perquisites of office, also want to be in a position to use government to solve problems. But conservatives have different motives for wanting power. One is to prevent liberals from doing so; if government cannot be made to disappear, at least it can be prevented from doing any good. The other is to build a political machine in which business and the Republican Party can exchange mutual favors; business will lavish cash on politicians (called campaign comtributions) while politicians will throw the money back at business (called public policy). Conservatism will always attract its share of young idealists. And young idealists will always be disillusioned by the sheer amount of corruption that people like Gingrich and DeLay generate. If yesterday's conservative was a liberal mugged by reality, today's is a free-marketer fattened by pork."
No corruption here, you say. Hmmm . . . now just exactly what is it that Tom DeLay is doing these days . . . . . ?
Strong words. Words for discussion, seems to me. Anyone want to step up?
Look out, another "I hate conservatives" shit threads takes a dump on the boards.
Notice the trend of the OP being corrected and his straw man arguments beings shot down over and over yet he keeps on fighting, that's because his hate has got the best of him.
Lol, Bush is a conservative lol Shit anyone could prove Bush is closer to a progressive liberal than you fuckers wish you could connect him to being anything that resembles a conservative. Obama proves that every day as he expands Bushs big ass Government programs. Has Obama/Dems repealed anyfuckingthing Bush did?
Look out, another "I hate conservatives" shit threads takes a dump on the boards.
Notice the trend of the OP being corrected and his straw man arguments beings shot down over and over yet he keeps on fighting, that's because his hate has got the best of him.
Lol, Bush is a conservative lol Shit anyone could prove Bush is closer to a progressive liberal than you fuckers wish you could connect him to being anything that resembles a conservative. Obama proves that every day as he expands Bushs big ass Government programs. Has Obama/Dems repealed anyfuckingthing Bush did?
Yeah..torture.
Barack Obama on Homeland Security - Barack Obama On the Issues - TIME
Read all about it.
Yeah..torture.
you can flip flop lib for con and rep for dem, dem for rep in almost every instance there and not miss a beatand if that gentleman cannot see it from what appears to be his end of the number line, hes blind drunk or so intellectually dishonest he should be in an asylum somewhere doodling on a wall with a crayon.
Wrong.
awesome rebuttal.
Look out, another "I hate conservatives" shit threads takes a dump on the boards.
Notice the trend of the OP being corrected and his straw man arguments beings shot down over and over yet he keeps on fighting, that's because his hate has got the best of him.
Lol, Bush is a conservative lol Shit anyone could prove Bush is closer to a progressive liberal than you fuckers wish you could connect him to being anything that resembles a conservative. Obama proves that every day as he expands Bushs big ass Government programs. Has Obama/Dems repealed anyfuckingthing Bush did?
Yeah..torture.
Barack Obama on Homeland Security - Barack Obama On the Issues - TIME
Read all about it.
OUR problems collectively, not our problems individually, stupid!Faulty premise: Gubmint is there to solve our problems.
That's a pretext for paternalistic authoritarian rule, not de jure governance.
Oh, I don't know. I would view my house on fire as a problem, as I am sure you would if yours was on fire. And who comes to put it out? And who pays the paychecks of those firemen?
Similarly, I would view a burglar in my house as a problem. I would view being unable to drive from Los Angeles to, well, anywhere, on a paved road as a problem. I would view an invasion by a foreign enemy as a problem. And who is it that solves all of our problems like that?
I think you get the idea.
Government is most certainly here to solve our problems.
Here we go again....You lose the argument at the federal level, which the author of the piece was clearly speaking about, you evade the point and chunk it down to local fire and police departments.
There again, though, their role isn't to "solve problems" per se, but provide a public service which are equally available to all.
There's a vast gulf between the local FD showing up to protect my property, when the neighbor's house is ablaze and federal bureaucrats telling me what kinds of light bulbs are "appropriate" for me to use....But you already knew that, didn't you?
Funny you should mention light bulbs. Wasn't it George Bush who passed some type of policy ruling that mandates the type of light bulbs we must use in our homes?
Care to address the long-standing love affair between Republicans and Big Business?
Nice of someone with no brain to come in and make that all nice and black-and-white for us all.You cannot govern well if you hate government. And since government is we the people and Republicans hate we the people, this is pretty much a no brainer.
Yeah..torture.
I always enjoy the difference in perspective. Liberals think they come up with a response which is both witty and clever, that captures their views while underlying the hypocrisy of their opposition. Everyone else thinks their keyboard was highjacked by a pre-schooler.
Conservatives at the federal level don't believe in "no government". We believe in limited, constitutional goverment. Liberals believe in federal government with no constraints allowed to solve any problem they can dream up under some vague general welfare clause.
Nice of someone with no brain to come in and make that all nice and black-and-white for us all.You cannot govern well if you hate government. And since government is we the people and Republicans hate we the people, this is pretty much a no brainer.
If you do, why are you still so stupid?ORLY?
I thought it was you "open minded" Fabian socialist/progressive types who looked at the world in all sorts of varying shades of gray, rather than pedantic Hegelian black-and-white polarities.
Well, guess I learn something new everyday.
