Why Conservatives Can't Govern

[skookerasbil]

Sure are..but in a much different way. For Conservatives..government exists to fill the needs of business. (Or, government serves the people) For Liberals business exists to fill the needs of government. (Or, the people serve the government)

Or, business rules by the dollar, government rules by the gun. I choose the dollar myself.

A conservative government rules by the gun.

A liberal government rules by the vote.

Oh......well now its perfectly clear................

 

[del]

OK - I think it is true, that, in general, the Republican Party caters to Big Business much more than does the Democratic Party. If you cannot see that, I don't know where you have been in recent decades.

Stereotype ain't fact, pal.

Fact remains that the support of BigBiz follows whoever is in power, regardless of political party.

Oh, it's fact, "pal." You can claim the Repubs aren't in bed with Big Business all you want. It does little for your credibility, however.

except he claimed nothing of the sort and you're claim that that is what he stated does little for your rapidly eroding credibility.

your hack roots are showing

 

[del]

Are there things wrong with the dems? Absolutely. They just aren't the same things. And it depends on what your priorities are.

And how partisan your views are.

love me some unintentional irony

thanks

 

[Sallow]

Or, business rules by the dollar, government rules by the gun. I choose the dollar myself.

A conservative government rules by the gun.

A liberal government rules by the vote.

Oh......well now its perfectly clear................

Thats another thing I don't get.

Why are conservatives so fucking gay?

 

[Sallow]

Or, business rules by the dollar, government rules by the gun. I choose the dollar myself.

A conservative government rules by the gun.

A liberal government rules by the vote.

links please? ....

NRA

 

[Trajan]

no, I think its dead on, there is little difference in either party when it comes to playing to certain players and factions, their factions and playas may be of different stripes but alas, in the end, its all special interests and almost equally destructive.

Apparently you are of the mind that, pardon the vulgarity here but republican shit stinks but democratic shit doesn't, that's ridiculous, you just happen to like and/or see as efficacious democratic or progressive gov..

that's simply incorrect. there are major differences in the parties, just not the ones that you want.

I did not delineate. I don't recall spelling anything out that I "want"....

1. The parties would never appoint the same justices. The last decent appointed by a repubilcan was Justice Souter.
2. The dems would never ever ever try to pass a law allowing a hospital to let women die rather than provide a life-saving emergency abortion (or even send the women to somewhere where they CAN get such treatment).
3. Repubs never would have repealed don't ask/don't tell.
4. Repubs would never pass safety or environmental regulations any more. They are no longer the party of Richard Nixon with intelligent, thoughtful (if patrician) values. Instead the repubs are the party of loud-mouthed loons who pander to the most extreme elements of the right.

whatever.

Are there things wrong with the dems? Absolutely. They just aren't the same things. And it depends on what your priorities are.

thats what I said...hello.

And if you truly thought they were the same,

I never said that they were the same I said; there is little 'difference' and then explained the context of that point. I posited the argument that their machinations as to how they employee power etc and garner sppt. is the same....

you and the other right-leaners on the board wouldn't have such a viscerally negative response to dems, would you?

oh for god sakes. see my above quote ala shit not stinking Jillian.

 

[Sallow]

Or, business rules by the dollar, government rules by the gun. I choose the dollar myself.

A conservative government rules by the gun.

A liberal government rules by the vote.

Then there is the real world wherein there exist such things as old Soviet Russia, Cuba, Venezuela, North Korea, China and socialist post-colonial Africa and on and on and on.

There are also successful countries. We call them capitalist. (to various degrees of successful implementation) Those are the countries with big business.

What's your point?

That Capitalism thrives in Liberal countries?

Well..I agree.

 

[del]

How freaking ridiculous.

One of the first governments was formed when Grog the caveman figured out there was no way he was taking down a wooly mammoth on his own.

Speaking of ridiculous.

Well go on then..oh defender of the Ayn Rand school of Narcissim. Please, oh Corporate Quisling..answer this riddle..

What country was started by Business?

We await your sage answer.

this one. all the FF were men of means who were tired of paying taxes to an absentee landlord so they rebelled. did you sleep through 7th grade?

 

[Trajan]

Wrong.

no, I think its dead on, there is little difference in either party when it comes to playing to certain players and factions, their factions and playas may be of different stripes but alas, in the end, its all special interests and almost equally destructive.

Apparently you are of the mind that, pardon the vulgarity here but republican shit stinks but democratic shit doesn't, that's ridiculous, you just happen to like and/or see as efficacious democratic or progressive gov..

OK - I think it is true, that, in general, the Republican Party caters to Big Business much more than does the Democratic Party. If you cannot see that, I don't know where you have been in recent decades.

you missed the point GC.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

In 2007, political scientist, author and professor of political science at the Boisi Center for Religion and American Public Life at Boston College, Alan Wolfe, wrote an article for Washington Monthly, titled "Why Conservatives Can't Govern." In that article, he stated:

"Liberals, while enjoying the perquisites of office, also want to be in a position to use government to solve problems. But conservatives have different motives for wanting power. One is to prevent liberals from doing so; if government cannot be made to disappear, at least it can be prevented from doing any good. The other is to build a political machine in which business and the Republican Party can exchange mutual favors; business will lavish cash on politicians (called campaign comtributions) while politicians will throw the money back at business (called public policy). Conservatism will always attract its share of young idealists. And young idealists will always be disillusioned by the sheer amount of corruption that people like Gingrich and DeLay generate. If yesterday's conservative was a liberal mugged by reality, today's is a free-marketer fattened by pork."

Strong words - and obviously written by one with a liberal agenda. But how close to truth are these words? Few can deny the love affair that has been going on between Big Business and the Republican Party lo these many decades. Few can deny the way in which the Republican Party has attempted to strangle Democratic attempts to do, well, just about anything. You may differ, but I have not seen anything close to approaching that coming from the left toward the right.

No corruption here, you say. Hmmm . . . now just exactly what is it that Tom DeLay is doing these days . . . . . ?

Strong words. Words for discussion, seems to me. Anyone want to step up?

Liberals never have that problem, right? Young liberals, going into government to solve problems, never have to deal with the corruption of older liberals like Maxine Walters, Charles Rangel, Harry Reid, or any of the other old liberals in Congress and government.

I think the guy is a complete idiot for not seeing the problems on his side of the aisle.

 

[Sallow]

Speaking of ridiculous.

Well go on then..oh defender of the Ayn Rand school of Narcissim. Please, oh Corporate Quisling..answer this riddle..

What country was started by Business?

We await your sage answer.

this one. all the FF were men of means who were tired of paying taxes to an absentee landlord so they rebelled. did you sleep through 7th grade?

Naw..I think you were asleep. The first colonists were running away from religious persecution. And they still had to form government to survive.

"Ring Ring"- alarm just went off.

 

[Trajan]

but, the dems prefer to strangle them with taxs and then play the come hither game, telling them to sit at the table (ala big pharma siding apparently against their own interests, providing obama a free 150 million worth of ads on TV pro obamacare) or be eviscerated, while rep.s just promise them stuff up front.

Thank you very much. Let's begin with taxes. Repubs are violently opposed to increasing taxes on the haves. That would very much include BB. You don't see that as the Repubs being on the side of BB?

Repubs are violently opposed to enviornmental regulation of BB. Why? It costs BB money, that's why? You don't see that as Repubs being on the side of BB?

Repubs are opposed to unions and everything unions stand for. Why? Costs BB money. You don't see that as Repubs being on the side of BB?

Repubs are in favor of putting caps on malpractice cases and limiting liability claims in general. Why? They get into the pockets of BB. You don't see that as Repubs being on the side of BB?

I thought this topic was "Why Conservatives Can't Govern"?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Strong words - and obviously written by one with a liberal agenda. But how close to truth are these words?

Effective governance has become anathema to conservative ideology. A pragmatic conservative could govern (which is generally how it works with executives at the state level) but the ideologues who've tried very hard to make themselves the public face of contemporary conservativism almost certainly could not.

And you are a complete idiot that does not understand that BOTH FUCKING SIDES are the problem. Until you understand that there is no possibility of having a rational and intelligent conversation with you, because you ignore half the problem.
Remember the words of John Daberg-Acton

If there is any presumption, it is the other way, against the holders of power, increasing as the power increases. Historic responsibility has to make up for the want of legal responsibility. All power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men, even when they exercise influence and not authority: still more when you superadd the tendency or certainty of corruption by full authority. There is no worse heresy than that the office sanctifies the holder of it.

Power corrupts, and giving government more power only makes it more tempting for those who are in it, ALL politicians are corrupt until they prove otherwise. Remember that and you will never be disappointed in a politician, believe otherwise and you will always be disappointed.

 

[del]

Well go on then..oh defender of the Ayn Rand school of Narcissim. Please, oh Corporate Quisling..answer this riddle..

What country was started by Business?

We await your sage answer.

this one. all the FF were men of means who were tired of paying taxes to an absentee landlord so they rebelled. did you sleep through 7th grade?

Naw..I think you were asleep. The first colonists were running away from religious persecution. And they still had to form government to survive.

"Ring Ring"- alarm just went off.

um, the first colonists were governed by the british crown. some, not all, were running away from religious persecution. they were also dead for 100+ yrs by the time of the revolution.

try again.

 

[Trajan]

Strong words - and obviously written by one with a liberal agenda. But how close to truth are these words?

Effective governance has become anathema to conservative ideology. A pragmatic conservative could govern (which is generally how it works with executives at the state level) but the ideologues who've tried very hard to make themselves the public face of contemporary conservativism almost certainly could not.

I see, so you're an authority on conservatism and its past and present ideology? ...who would have thunk it.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Wrong.

no, I think its dead on, there is little difference in either party when it comes to playing to certain players and factions, their factions and playas may be of different stripes but alas, in the end, its all special interests and almost equally destructive.

Apparently you are of the mind that, pardon the vulgarity here but republican shit stinks but democratic shit doesn't, that's ridiculous, you just happen to like and/or see as efficacious democratic or progressive gov..

OK - I think it is true, that, in general, the Republican Party caters to Big Business much more than does the Democratic Party. If you cannot see that, I don't know where you have been in recent decades.

Is that anything like the Roberts court being pro business?

 

[Sallow]

this one. all the FF were men of means who were tired of paying taxes to an absentee landlord so they rebelled. did you sleep through 7th grade?

Naw..I think you were asleep. The first colonists were running away from religious persecution. And they still had to form government to survive.

"Ring Ring"- alarm just went off.

um, the first colonists were governed by the british crown. some, not all, were running away from religious persecution. they were also dead for 100+ yrs by the time of the revolution.

try again.

Try what again?

You've just admitted there was governance prior to private industry in this country.

You failed Del.

There's never been a country in which first..there was a private business..then government.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

but, the dems prefer to strangle them with taxs and then play the come hither game, telling them to sit at the table (ala big pharma siding apparently against their own interests, providing obama a free 150 million worth of ads on TV pro obamacare) or be eviscerated, while rep.s just promise them stuff up front.

Thank you very much. Let's begin with taxes. Repubs are violently opposed to increasing taxes on the haves. That would very much include BB. You don't see that as the Repubs being on the side of BB?

Repubs are violently opposed to enviornmental regulation of BB. Why? It costs BB money, that's why? You don't see that as Repubs being on the side of BB?

Repubs are opposed to unions and everything unions stand for. Why? Costs BB money. You don't see that as Repubs being on the side of BB?

Repubs are in favor of putting caps on malpractice cases and limiting liability claims in general. Why? They get into the pockets of BB. You don't see that as Repubs being on the side of BB?

I thought this topic was "Why Conservatives Can't Govern"?

I did too. Apparently it is actually "Why Republicans are Evil."

 

[del]

Naw..I think you were asleep. The first colonists were running away from religious persecution. And they still had to form government to survive.

"Ring Ring"- alarm just went off.

um, the first colonists were governed by the british crown. some, not all, were running away from religious persecution. they were also dead for 100+ yrs by the time of the revolution.

try again.

Try what again?

You've just admitted there was governance prior to private industry in this country.

You failed Del.

There's never been a country in which first..there was a private business..then government.

don't hurt yourself carrying those goal posts back and forth.

this country isn't a british crown colony, and never is a long long time.

have a pleasant evening

 

[Ravi]

In 2007, political scientist, author and professor of political science at the Boisi Center for Religion and American Public Life at Boston College, Alan Wolfe, wrote an article for Washington Monthly, titled "Why Conservatives Can't Govern." In that article, he stated:

"Liberals, while enjoying the perquisites of office, also want to be in a position to use government to solve problems. But conservatives have different motives for wanting power. One is to prevent liberals from doing so; if government cannot be made to disappear, at least it can be prevented from doing any good. The other is to build a political machine in which business and the Republican Party can exchange mutual favors; business will lavish cash on politicians (called campaign comtributions) while politicians will throw the money back at business (called public policy). Conservatism will always attract its share of young idealists. And young idealists will always be disillusioned by the sheer amount of corruption that people like Gingrich and DeLay generate. If yesterday's conservative was a liberal mugged by reality, today's is a free-marketer fattened by pork."

Strong words - and obviously written by one with a liberal agenda. But how close to truth are these words? Few can deny the love affair that has been going on between Big Business and the Republican Party lo these many decades. Few can deny the way in which the Republican Party has attempted to strangle Democratic attempts to do, well, just about anything. You may differ, but I have not seen anything close to approaching that coming from the left toward the right.

No corruption here, you say. Hmmm . . . now just exactly what is it that Tom DeLay is doing these days . . . . . ?

Strong words. Words for discussion, seems to me. Anyone want to step up?

You cannot govern well if you hate government. And since government is we the people and Republicans hate we the people, this is pretty much a no brainer.