SmarterThanHick
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why do you assume I'm upset? and why do you assume I'm a teacher?
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Your response is nothing less than misdirection, which I will be blatantly rubbing your nose in line by line.
And I have not once claimed you are a Christian. What you have claimed was that you seek to follow Jesus's teachings. That kinda makes you a Christian - see your nearest dictionary if you disagree. (see? now I'm saying it).First off, not once have I claimed to be a Christian, or believer in creationism. Why do you assume either?
No, what you said was "The Bible offers up a great way to live your life. Why would you dispute that?". This is false, due to the stonings, slavery, etc that has already been pointed out. You're just trying to backpedal away from the bible now.I also have never said we should live like he Jewish people of that day.
So you claim "If we all strived to live how [Jesus] did, we would be happy." and then when called out on the fact that Jesus preached to sell possessions and give everything to the poor, you claim you haven't done that. And instead of responding by saying how you can resolve that conflict between what you say and how you actually live, you instead try to minimize poverty in the US? That still leaves the incongruity. Doesn't address the problem at all. It's not like you should completely disregard the teachings of Jesus because the poor aren't as bad off nowadays. Heck, you even identified where you should be sending your money/possessions!And you are only poor when you take in to account what qualifies you as poor in what society. The poor in America have it a lot better off than the poor in Ethiopia. So no I have not sold all my possessions, nor have I said I was a Christian or that I even know anyone who in my opinion is in fact a REAL Christian.
No one claimed he did, so why are you asking me to show you that? What you said was "IF we tried to live the way he did. It is very very very possible we would have happy lives. Would nations fight over oil if we didn't need it for our materialistic wants?"Wars have been fought in the name of religion, show me once where Jesus said to wage war on nations in his name.
Insinuating that petty fighting would stop existing by people claiming to follow the teachings of jesus has been very clearly shown to be incorrect; not because the ideals themselves are bad, but because no one actually follows them. You yourself, while claiming everyone should follow them, don't follow them. So if the preacher is the hypocrite, why do you assume it will be any better for others?
No, we need to smother your position so that it doesn't wind up in our school systems, government, and medicine. If you or anyone else wants to go be ignorant or uneducated on your own, be my guest.why does it bother you ***t others do not believe what you believe?
Do you need approval from others for your own personal beliefs, to make you feel secure in your own position?
Do you have to insult or bash the beliefs of others in order to strengthen your own position?
why do you assume I'm upset? and why do you assume I'm a teacher?
Jesus didn't have slaves.
Gag of Magog/ Gog and Magog/ GogMagogWars have been fought in the name of religion, show me once where Jesus said to wage war on nations in his name.
Wow, be careful not to strain yourself from backpedaling that hard. Are you really claiming that you're preaching all of this garbage and now after being called out on lack of practicing what you preach, claiming it doesn't apply to you? Why preach it then? If it's nothing you want to follow, why preach it?I never claimed I seek to follow anything, all I said was it is a good way to live your life. A meaning one way out of many.
So you understand that evolution is true in its entirety?You said those who oppose my side with the word evolution in quotes...suggesting i do not believe in evolution.
and maybe YOU missed the part where you yourself said living like they did in the bible was a good thing. This has been thoroughly shown to be not a good thing. Don't try to shuffle all of your mistakes onto "no I was talking about Jesus when I said 'bible', and when I was talking about Jesus I didn't mean it applied to me".Maybe you missed the part where Jesus said what he did about stoning. And the part where he never said slavery was right. It's no secret that the old and new testaments don't always agree.
False. You made that assumption entirely on your own. I was simply restating what Jesus preached, and contrasting it to what you practice. Perhaps you should instead assume that Jesus "acted like the word poor was a bad thing".What I mean was you acted like the word poor was a bad thing.
Except, happiness is a spectrum. You can be *more* happy than you are right now. If it was A way to happiness, clearly it is worse than how you are living now, and thus need not be considered.OK once again you pointed out the fact that I live in "society". Good job. Yes it is a fact, I haven't sold everything I own. Guess what I am still happy too, but does that mean if I were to live the life Jesus taught, that I wouldn't be happy also. Like I have said over and over, it is not the only way to happiness, but A way nonetheless.
And IF there was no reason for people to fight, then petty fighting would cease. Oh hey look at that! I can make unreasonable hypothetical that completely ignore practical human behavior and situations as well!If you lived as Jesus taught it is true, petty fighting would cease.
No. It's the point of this thread. Perhaps you should reread the title.Evolution/Creationism isn't the point of Jesus' life.
It's funny cuz I detailed three methods where religious ignorance should be removed, and you only stated you disagree with one. Should I just assume you *do* want your religion shoved into government and medical practices?No, we need to smother your position so that it doesn't wind up in our school systems, government, and medicine. If you or anyone else wants to go be ignorant or uneducated on your own, be my guest.
Jimminnee Christmas HICK, you are a complete asshole...quite the bitch too....
I have NEVER recommended that anything in my religion be brought in to our schools...
yeah completely misread that one. first question is still valid tho. and plato is philosophy taught in a philosophical (usually college) course. Similarly, religion courses that teach different religious philosophies fall under that category. Contrast that to "MY RELIGION IS THE RIGHT ONE, OBEY IT NOW!" in the classroom.You really did not comprehend my extremely simple question.
If I tell slaves to obey and never say I disagree with my father's laws commanding slavery, what would you imagine my position was about slavery and abolition?
No, I understand exactly what you're getting at. But instead of stopping and correcting yourself (such as "oh you're right, living like they did in the bible is a bad thing"), you tried to backpedal. That's not nitpickiness on my part, that's you trying to cover over a mess and someone calling you on it.Well forget all this nitpickiness, since you don't seem to want to grasp what I am getting at.
Except... they ARE ignorant, by the very definition of the word.But in the same argument, I am not going to begin to act as if those who do believe in creationism are dumb or ignorant.
You are insinuating that both creationism and evolution are both equal beliefs. That's not the case. By the way, I can't help but realize you completely avoided my previous question: do you or do you not agree with the principles of evolution in their entirety?Why can't atheist or whoever else wants to condemn them for it, just accept that people are going to believe how they wish. And why can't "Christians" accept the fact that not everyone is going to believe their way.
If you would take time to think long and hard about what Ghandi/Mother Theresa/a million other good people taught, you would probably agree that yes if everyone on Earth followed their way of life perfectly, then it is very true that there would be no fighting.If you would take time to think long and hard about what Jesus taught, you would probably agree that yes if everyone on Earth followed his way of life perfectly, then it is very true that there would be no fighting.
No. You claimed following the teachings of Jesus would be good. You then claimed it's not the only way to have a good life. Therefore, if you choose to ignore it, it is clear to me that the method you chose is *better* in one or several ways.I have never said that true Christianity is a better or worse way than how I choose to live my personal life.
You mean, what you think Christianity should be. right.And I have an open mind to realize that if someone were to try to practice true Christianity, it wouldn't be a bad thing.
If evolution is not a religion- then why do evolutionists always post in the religion and ethics forum, rather than the science forum?
Because the only people denying reality on the subject are doing it for religious reasons, and are thus found doing so... guess where?
It could as easily be said that the only people ignoring the first law of thermodynamics are denying IT for religious reasons.. and thus, posting their beliefs... guess where?
Of course there is no reason evolution can not be part of God’s divine will.
If, you believe God will play with the dice not never knowing if he will roll seven or crap out.
This applies to quantum physics as well.
I for one believe in a God who has no idea what he is doing.
There is plenty of empircal evidence for it.
. I see little reason why God would make so many species and let over 90% of them become extinct.
EZ
Because he hast to come back with a bigass book with around 14 names in it
so he can laugh hysterically as the other 17 billion or so get tossed into a lake of fire to be tormented for 203.45 trillion years. More or less.