CDZ Why aren't we addressing the gun issue as a cultural problem?

[impuretrash]

there is a price to pay to have the FREEDOM do everything or anything . Ride a motorcycle and watch out for the left turning cars . As you know , the price paid for the FREEDOM of a nice mobile society is about 30 thousand dead every year in car accidents . Think its about 30 thousand DEAD but that's a SMALL price to pay for the FREEDOM that driving a car allows JoeB .

Okay, this is kind of a retarded argument.

First, we need cars to get to work and such. You don't need a gun.

Second, the problem with this argument is that your mistakes on a motorcycle or in a car usually only affect you.

Guns, not so much. We have tens of thousands of victims who had no use for a gun who died of excessive bullet holes.

When we all have to live with security cameras, guards, metal detectors, active shooter drills, key-card doors in our workplaces, etc. We aren't living in a "Free" society. We are being held hostage to a small minority of nuts.

How does giving up our rights because of the actions of a tiny fraction of a percent of the population make us more free?

 

[sparky]

When we all have to live with security cameras, guards, metal detectors, active shooter drills, key-card doors in our workplaces, etc. We aren't living in a "Free" society. We are being held hostage to a small minority of nuts.

Define 'freedom' ,and you'll get the nutters pointing out their arsenals as a metric

they'll quote FF's , point comparisons to somalia, etc, ad naseum

they'll insist it a hedge against gub'mit control, when the reality is the more armed the populace, the more control they'll gain

~S~

 

[pismoe]

there is a price to pay to have the FREEDOM do everything or anything . Ride a motorcycle and watch out for the left turning cars . As you know , the price paid for the FREEDOM of a nice mobile society is about 30 thousand dead every year in car accidents . Think its about 30 thousand DEAD but that's a SMALL price to pay for the FREEDOM that driving a car allows JoeB .

Okay, this is kind of a retarded argument.

First, we need cars to get to work and such. You don't need a gun.

Second, the problem with this argument is that your mistakes on a motorcycle or in a car usually only affect you.

Guns, not so much. We have tens of thousands of victims who had no use for a gun who died of excessive bullet holes.

When we all have to live with security cameras, guards, metal detectors, active shooter drills, key-card doors in our workplaces, etc. We aren't living in a "Free" society. We are being held hostage to a small minority of nuts.

------------------------------------------------- sure its FREE , as FREE as we can make it . Plus do some reading on the purpose of the Second Amendment and the purpose of an armed society JoeB .

 

[pismoe]

% chance of not being murdrred by a person with a gun

Says the juvenile idiot who sexualizes everything

Now that is fucking funny

No, guy, there's nothing funny about Glib Sociopaths who minimize gun violence.

I never minimized it.

I just don't panic because I have a 99.997% chance of not being murdered by a person with a gun.

You just can't stay away from penis references or any other puerile comments then you tell me you want a "serious discussion"

------------------------------------ And read Bluesmans post just above again . He has his reasoning down correct JoeB .

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

When we all have to live with security cameras, guards, metal detectors, active shooter drills, key-card doors in our workplaces, etc. We aren't living in a "Free" society. We are being held hostage to a small minority of nuts.

Define 'freedom' ,and you'll get the nutters pointing out their arsenals as a metric

they'll quote FF's , point comparisons to somalia, etc, ad naseum

they'll insist it a hedge against gub'mit control, when the reality is the more armed the populace, the more control they'll gain

~S~

they'll insist it a hedge against gub'mit control, when the reality is the more armed the populace, the more control they'll gain

Do you think the uneducated person actually knows that he just proved our point, without knowing it?

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

I know this was just a kids show but did have some adult humor in it but the part that really is about the US constitution and its freedoms, is this part. So imagine that the grasshoppers are the liberals who definately are in a minority, and with their bullying attitude keep pushing the rest of US around, when finally we all wake up and tell those bullies that enough is enough. That is what freedom is, getting rid of the tyrannical government that the Socialists always force upon their people.

 

[JoeB131]

How does giving up our rights because of the actions of a tiny fraction of a percent of the population make us more free?

78% of us don't own guns, and we are just as free as you are.

Your freedom to "Compensate" for your shortcomings is not worth the imposition you put on the rest of us.

 

[JoeB131]

sure its FREE , as FREE as we can make it . Plus do some reading on the purpose of the Second Amendment and the purpose of an armed society JoeB

But it's not "Free" when every workplace needs to have security doors to lock down the plant in case the crazy employee comes in to work one day and decides to shoot his coworkers.

It's not free when we have to walk our kids through metal detectors at the start of each school day.

It's not free when we have to arm our police like soldiers to do simple community policing.

Your gun fetish makes us LESS free, not more.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

How does giving up our rights because of the actions of a tiny fraction of a percent of the population make us more free?

78% of us don't own guns, and we are just as free as you are.

Your freedom to "Compensate" for your shortcomings is not worth the imposition you put on the rest of us.

Yes 78% of the Demonrats dont own guns, because they have an IQ of 30 and will rely on police, the guys who shoot black people in the back, to come rescue you. Try walking down southside Chicago at night, and see how free you are, but you wont, because you glow at night, right JoeB?

 

[sparky]

Do you think the uneducated person actually knows that he just proved our point, without knowing it

I am the 'uneducated' great unwashed....

78% of us don't own guns, and we are just as free as you are.

I'm lousy with guns & ammo....could probably hold of the indians if the wife reloaded on rotation, etc....

But it's not "Free" when every workplace needs to have security doors to lock down the plant in case the crazy employee comes in to work one day and decides to shoot his coworkers.

It's not free when we have to walk our kids through metal detectors at the start of each school day.

It's not free when we have to arm our police like soldiers to do simple community policing.

Your gun fetish makes us LESS free, not more.

Thank you Joe for making my point

FWIW, I've been to the 'other side'

and am the only ERE in recent history to flunk N.I.M.S., because i doodled on it

~S~

 

[pismoe]

How does giving up our rights because of the actions of a tiny fraction of a percent of the population make us more free?

78% of us don't own guns, and we are just as free as you are.

Your freedom to "Compensate" for your shortcomings is not worth the imposition you put on the rest of us.

----------------------------------- its supposed to be a FREE Country , own what ever you can afford to own JoeB .

 

[Picaro]

I never said anything about outlawing abortion.

I think a reasoned person would realize that at some point during gestation the term fetus no longer applies.

Yeah, here's the problem with that... once you let that camel's nose under the tent, you have the whole camel in the tent. I'm not for granting more rights to fetuses than the women they are inside...

Certainly if a woman has the right to choose what she does with her own body then every person has that right.

According to our sensible laws, they don't.... we lock up the suicidal for their own good.

I don't think you can have it both ways and still be consistent in your thinking.

A foolish consistancy is the hobgoblin of tiny minds.

And you know you started out sounding like a reasonable person then you fuck it up with your obsession with sexualizing everything.

Again, when you say, "I am going to oppose even the most reasonable gun law because I needs me a gun!" that's pretty fucking unreasonable. "Crazy People with machine guns, just like the Founding Fathers wanted!!!"

That's... nuts.

------------------------------------ lots of MACHINE GUNS around and they are Legal in most states . Problem is that they are 2 expensive because of [think its GCA] of 1936 and then 'ron reagans' GSA of 1968 JoeB . Correction wanted if I am incorrect on the years JoeB ,

They are too expensive for me because of the ammo costs alone; I couldn't afford to practice much with MGs. lol

 

[pismoe]

I never said anything about outlawing abortion.

I think a reasoned person would realize that at some point during gestation the term fetus no longer applies.

Yeah, here's the problem with that... once you let that camel's nose under the tent, you have the whole camel in the tent. I'm not for granting more rights to fetuses than the women they are inside...

Certainly if a woman has the right to choose what she does with her own body then every person has that right.

According to our sensible laws, they don't.... we lock up the suicidal for their own good.

I don't think you can have it both ways and still be consistent in your thinking.

A foolish consistancy is the hobgoblin of tiny minds.

And you know you started out sounding like a reasonable person then you fuck it up with your obsession with sexualizing everything.

Again, when you say, "I am going to oppose even the most reasonable gun law because I needs me a gun!" that's pretty fucking unreasonable. "Crazy People with machine guns, just like the Founding Fathers wanted!!!"

That's... nuts.

------------------------------------ lots of MACHINE GUNS around and they are Legal in most states . Problem is that they are 2 expensive because of [think its GCA] of 1936 and then 'ron reagans' GSA of 1968 JoeB . Correction wanted if I am incorrect on the years JoeB ,

They are too expensive for me because of the ammo costs alone; I couldn't afford to practice much with MGs. lol

-------------------------------------------- Many macine guns are kept in thehuge safe and are bought for Investment purposes from what I hear Picaro ,

 

[JoeB131]

Yes 78% of the Demonrats dont own guns, because they have an IQ of 30 and will rely on police, the guys who shoot black people in the back, to come rescue you. Try walking down southside Chicago at night, and see how free you are, but you wont, because you glow at night, right JoeB?

78% of Americans don't own guns.

I don't have a reason to walk on the South Side at night.

I'm more worried the crazy person I work with is going to come and shoot his boss because he has easy access to guns.

 

[JoeB131]

its supposed to be a FREE Country , own what ever you can afford to own JoeB .

Okay, I want to own a rabid Pit Bull and a vial of anthrax.

Wait. I can't have those things because they are dangerous?

Hey, how about some Lawn Darts with steel heads? Oh, wait, no, I can't own those either because a couple of children got impaled through the eye socket.

Okay, how about letting me buy medicines without three safety seals... that's just a pain in the ass to open. Oh, no, wait, I can't do that because some crazy asshole poisoned some Tylenol once in the 1980's.

We accept all sorts of restrictions on what we can own or buy because of our own safety.

Making it REALLY HARD for a crazy person to get a gun would seem to be common sense. To everyone but the Crazy Gun Nuts in the NRA.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Do you think the uneducated person actually knows that he just proved our point, without knowing it

I am the 'uneducated' great unwashed....

78% of us don't own guns, and we are just as free as you are.

I'm lousy with guns & ammo....could probably hold of the indians if the wife reloaded on rotation, etc....

But it's not "Free" when every workplace needs to have security doors to lock down the plant in case the crazy employee comes in to work one day and decides to shoot his coworkers.

It's not free when we have to walk our kids through metal detectors at the start of each school day.

It's not free when we have to arm our police like soldiers to do simple community policing.

Your gun fetish makes us LESS free, not more.

Thank you Joe for making my point

FWIW, I've been to the 'other side'

and am the only ERE in recent history to flunk N.I.M.S., because i doodled on it

~S~

If you are lousy with guns and ammo, then thank you for not having any. But if you didnt know there are 3 types of US citizens in the country right now.

1. A future victim of a liberal who wants to harm you.
2. A victim of a liberal who wanted to harm you.
3. A person who carries who wont be a victim of a liberal.

 

[Picaro]

its supposed to be a FREE Country , own what ever you can afford to own JoeB .

Okay, I want to own a rabid Pit Bull and a vial of anthrax.

Wait. I can't have those things because they are dangerous?

Hey, how about some Lawn Darts with steel heads? Oh, wait, no, I can't own those either because a couple of children got impaled through the eye socket.

Okay, how about letting me buy medicines without three safety seals... that's just a pain in the ass to open. Oh, no, wait, I can't do that because some crazy asshole poisoned some Tylenol once in the 1980's.

We accept all sorts of restrictions on what we can own or buy because of our own safety.

Making it REALLY HARD for a crazy person to get a gun would seem to be common sense. To everyone but the Crazy Gun Nuts in the NRA.

lol Joe loves strawmen and fake news no end. Of course, when you're Joe, and you get your news from late night comedians who host crappy tard stoner fare, it's easy to be a half-wit with high self-esteem and go years without a critical thought, even a lifetime in Joe's case.

Katie Pavlich - Stephen Colbert Falsely States The NRA Is Opposed to Mental Health Checks

 

[JoeB131]

If you are lousy with guns and ammo, then thank you for not having any. But if you didnt know there are 3 types of US citizens in the country right now.

1. A future victim of a liberal who wants to harm you.
2. A victim of a liberal who wanted to harm you.
3. A person who carries who wont be a victim of a liberal.

Guy, the only thing I see are a lot of people who get guns who shouldn't have them because the NRA knows if the crooks and crazies have guns, you'll want them, too.

 

[JoeB131]

lol Joe loves strawmen and fake news no end. Of course, when you're Joe, and you get your news from late night comedians who host crappy tard stoner fare, it's easy to be a half-wit with high self-esteem and go years without a critical thought, even a lifetime in Joe's case.

Guy, the NRA is blocking expanded background checks and red flag laws. These would be two things that would make it a lot harder for crazy people to get guns.

 

[Picaro]

lol Joe loves strawmen and fake news no end. Of course, when you're Joe, and you get your news from late night comedians who host crappy tard stoner fare, it's easy to be a half-wit with high self-esteem and go years without a critical thought, even a lifetime in Joe's case.

Guy, the NRA is blocking expanded background checks and red flag laws. These would be two things that would make it a lot harder for crazy people to get guns.

Don't care what Colbert told you, Joe. you're full of crap, as always; I'm just here to point out your silly strawmen to the Peanut Gallery, some of whom might take your trolling bullshit at face value and be misled. The NRA is behind checks, has been for over 50 years, and it's behind improving the mental health system and identifying risks. You Democrats are the people who dump crazies on the streets , keep feeding psycho-active drugs and amphetamines to school kids, and generally systemically abusing the mentally ill. Electing a few to office, like Omar, Uncle Bernie, Uncle Joe, and AOC, doesn't make a dent in the numbers who need to be off the streets.