Why are we so polarized?

[SniperFire]

You are as stupid as stupid gets.

Drives you crazy when I point out your entitlement mindset, don't it?


LOL

Entitlement mindset? Based on what dipshit? I didn't go without insurance for years and then get sick and say it wasn't fair that I couldn't get it. In the dictionary, under the term stupid, they have your name listed.

Do you believe you are entitled to gain insurance coverage for your pre-existing conditions, or not?

And along those same lines, do you believe you are entitled to purchase car insurance for your car after you have wrecked it?


This is child's play.


LOL

 

[Meathead]

There are several factors in that which polarize us, but undoubtedly among them is Obama's gambit to stay in power by creating, or at least exploiting, the class warfare issue. It is buck-naked populism and its essence ignores an ugly little secret:

Increasing taxes on only the uber rich is not going to be the panacea that the left envisions. What will have to be done is across-the-board tax increases and spending cuts. No politician, right or left, will tell you that because the electorate is myopic. It is a glaring problem of democracy. Look at Greece. They are a democracy and yet they essentially are being "governed" from Berlin. If we're not prudent and willing to confront unpleasant realities we may be "governed" from Beijing someday

 

[Steelplate]

What finally did it for me to seal the deal was this President's
complete disdain for the American Businessperson trying to make a go
of it in this brutal Obama economy.

His now famous rant mocking and disparaging people who he really needs
to thrive to get this economy going again he makes fun of.
This told me I was right in feeling he is totally incompetent in trying
to get this country where we need to be.

So you're basing your opinion on a right wing distortion of what he was really talking about.....Public works projects such as roads, rail, power lines and the Internet? I call Bullshit. I've been on here long enough to know that you've hated the guy the whole time....at least since I've been a member.

This is EXACTLY what the OP's article is talking about. Relying on information to support what you already believe and turning your back on everything else.

Why do you assume he bases his opinion on one quote?

Have you not seen polls and surveys which indicate that our wealth and job creators fear and loathe this Administration?

Why? because the gravy train of low wages, non-existent benefits, and a desperate workforce might be coming to and end? Or at least diminished? Because outsourcing for slave labor does nothing for our economy....especially when the profits realized from that slave labor gets hidden away in tax haven countries or invested away from our country?

No wonder they are against him....but....I bet you they were MORE than happy when the "Marxist" signed yet ANOTHER Free Trade Agreement with South Korea, and two or three other countries....Of course, these "Free Trade" agreements seem to only benefit the host Country and American Businessmen and adds another layer of strong arming American Labor into submission....and of course, as a result....will FURTHER weaken our economy because even MORE hard working Americans will lose jobs and have to replace them with working at low paying ones.

 

[auditor0007]

Drives you crazy when I point out your entitlement mindset, don't it?


LOL

Entitlement mindset? Based on what dipshit? I didn't go without insurance for years and then get sick and say it wasn't fair that I couldn't get it. In the dictionary, under the term stupid, they have your name listed.

Do you believe you are entitled to gain insurance coverage for your pre-existing conditions, or not?

And along those same lines, do you believe you are entitled to purchase car insurance for your car after you have wrecked it?


This is child's play.


LOL

God are you stupid. This truly explains why the Republican Party is doomed and has become irrelevant. What you are saying is that anyone who becomes sick should no longer be permitted to buy health insurance because they are a risk. If you have insurance and become sick, then the insurance company should be able to stop covering you. So what is the point of insurance in that scenario? That is the scenario you support based on everything you have said.

 

[SniperFire]

Entitlement mindset? Based on what dipshit? I didn't go without insurance for years and then get sick and say it wasn't fair that I couldn't get it. In the dictionary, under the term stupid, they have your name listed.

Do you believe you are entitled to gain insurance coverage for your pre-existing conditions, or not?

And along those same lines, do you believe you are entitled to purchase car insurance for your car after you have wrecked it?


This is child's play.


LOL

God are you stupid. This truly explains why the Republican Party is doomed and has become irrelevant. What you are saying is that anyone who becomes sick should no longer be permitted to buy health insurance because they are a risk. If you have insurance and become sick, then the insurance company should be able to stop covering you. So what is the point of insurance in that scenario? That is the scenario you support based on everything you have said.

Do you believe you are entitled to gain insurance coverage for your pre-existing conditions, or not?

And along those same lines, do you believe you are entitled to purchase car insurance for your car after you have wrecked it?

 

[Steelplate]

What finally did it for me to seal the deal was this President's
complete disdain for the American Businessperson trying to make a go
of it in this brutal Obama economy.

His now famous rant mocking and disparaging people who he really needs
to thrive to get this economy going again he makes fun of.
This told me I was right in feeling he is totally incompetent in trying
to get this country where we need to be.

So you're basing your opinion on a right wing distortion of what he was really talking about.....Public works projects such as roads, rail, power lines and the Internet? I call Bullshit. I've been on here long enough to know that you've hated the guy the whole time....at least since I've been a member.

This is EXACTLY what the OP's article is talking about. Relying on information to support what you already believe and turning your back on everything else.

Why do you assume he bases his opinion on one quote?

Have you not seen polls and surveys which indicate that our wealth and job creators fear and loathe this Administration?

Oh....and to answer your question.....I don't assume that....he stated that....I called Bullshit on it.

 

[SniperFire]

So you're basing your opinion on a right wing distortion of what he was really talking about.....Public works projects such as roads, rail, power lines and the Internet? I call Bullshit. I've been on here long enough to know that you've hated the guy the whole time....at least since I've been a member.

This is EXACTLY what the OP's article is talking about. Relying on information to support what you already believe and turning your back on everything else.

Why do you assume he bases his opinion on one quote?

Have you not seen polls and surveys which indicate that our wealth and job creators fear and loathe this Administration?

Why? because the gravy train of low wages, non-existent benefits, and a desperate workforce might be coming to and end? Or at least diminished? Because outsourcing for slave labor does nothing for our economy....especially when the profits realized from that slave labor gets hidden away in tax haven countries or invested away from our country?

No wonder they are against him....but....I bet you they were MORE than happy when the "Marxist" signed yet ANOTHER Free Trade Agreement with South Korea, and two or three other countries....Of course, these "Free Trade" agreements seem to only benefit the host Country and American Businessmen and adds another layer of strong arming American Labor into submission....and of course, as a result....will FURTHER weaken our economy because even MORE hard working Americans will lose jobs and have to replace them with working at low paying ones.

You are obfuscating, inbred Stoolfan.

What I asked was:

Why do you assume he bases his opinion on one quote?

Have you not seen polls and surveys which indicate that our wealth and job creators fear and loathe this Administration?

 

[TheDuke]

You are as stupid as stupid gets.

Drives you crazy when I point out your entitlement mindset, don't it?


LOL

Entitlement mindset? Based on what dipshit? I didn't go without insurance for years and then get sick and say it wasn't fair that I couldn't get it. In the dictionary, under the term stupid, they have your name listed.

So you think you should be taken care of because you didn't bitch about it at the time?

 

[Freewill]

I do not believe we are more polarized then we have been in the past. The political divide has always been present 200 years or so ago we fought a civil war.

What is different today is that we KNOW what is going on more so in past years. But on the flip side is that we DON'T KNOW. In other words things are spun so much it is hard to separate the truth from the non-truth.

For example, the left has been painting for quite some time that the Republicans do not care about the poor. What is their evidence? I would say their only evidence is that the desire to put people who are capable back to work is painted as being against a person's rights. Which is pure BS we all know it but is the tact that the Democrats have taken and is why I can't see how we can ever be united. Then if we examine the rich in Congress it turns out to be Democrats, yet the Democrats will sell the story that Republicans are only interested in helping the rich. When in fact all tax reform effect the rich, or those paying taxes, it can't really effect anyone else, again pure BS. But that is all the Democrats have to sell is BS. They can not run on the economy but they try by saying things would have been much worse if they had they not plunged our grandchildren into untold debt. Yes, that is a really easy piece of BS logic, things are bad but they could have been worse. NO, things SHOULD be better now then then what we see as history has taught us in EVERY other recession. Again Democrat BS.

Of course the minority party isn't exempt from contempt. I think the broad brush approached because of SOME that Democrats are unpatriotic or do not love their country is an unfair characterization caused by a large few. To say that the whole of the DNC is against God because it sure sounded like a whole lot of them voted against God at their convention again may be a little overblown.

Bottom line, we do not have a common enemy to unite us. It is as it has always been party, party, party first. No one can be happy with the way things are today in the US. Yes, there are signs of a weak recovery but the recovery should have been one of the biggest and strongest. I seriously doubted that any one thought that the economy was not going to recover it has always been just a matter of time. 3 1/2 years is a history breaking weak recovery. To that we can be united and I think we are. The MSM will paint every bit of economic news they see as positive. The unemployment rate drops from 8.3 to 8.1 and that will be viewed, not as a statistical variance, but a sign of recovery. It is going to get worse as we approach November and that is the real cause of what we are seeing.

We never really had a totally independent media, Cronkite lied is ass off giving his opinion, and now we actually get to see both sides, one of course isn't true. Before all we ever heard is what the ABC news media blared at us on the nightly news.

So no, I don't care what the BBC thinks about what is going on in America. Second I think what we have today can be healthier in that we can know the truth it is just separating the turds from the apples which is hard. It is made even harder wearing the blinders of party first.

Bottom line, if this were a football team with the same morale and same lack of positive direction the coach would be fired. THAT we all should unite around.

 

[auditor0007]

Drives you crazy when I point out your entitlement mindset, don't it?


LOL

Entitlement mindset? Based on what dipshit? I didn't go without insurance for years and then get sick and say it wasn't fair that I couldn't get it. In the dictionary, under the term stupid, they have your name listed.

So you think you should be taken care of because you didn't bitch about it at the time?

What the fuck are you talking about? Where did I ever state I should be taken care of? Some of you people live in another reality, I swear.

 

[SniperFire]

Entitlement mindset? Based on what dipshit? I didn't go without insurance for years and then get sick and say it wasn't fair that I couldn't get it. In the dictionary, under the term stupid, they have your name listed.

So you think you should be taken care of because you didn't bitch about it at the time?

What the fuck are you talking about? Where did I ever state I should be taken care of? Some of you people live in another reality, I swear.

Do you not want to be able to purchase a health insurance policy for less expense than your actuarial risk merits?

Are you really an auditor? LOL

 

[Meathead]

I do not believe we are more polarized then we have been in the past. The political divide has always been present 200 years or so ago we fought a civil war.

What is different today is that we KNOW what is going on more so in past years. But on the flip side is that we DON'T KNOW. In other words things are spun so much it is hard to separate the truth from the non-truth.

For example, the left has been painting for quite some time that the Republicans do not care about the poor. What is their evidence? I would say their only evidence is that the desire to put people who are capable back to work is painted as being against a person's rights. Which is pure BS we all know it but is the tact that the Democrats have taken and is why I can't see how we can ever be united. Then if we examine the rich in Congress it turns out to be Democrats, yet the Democrats will sell the story that Republicans are only interested in helping the rich. When in fact all tax reform effect the rich, or those paying taxes, it can't really effect anyone else, again pure BS. But that is all the Democrats have to sell is BS. They can not run on the economy but they try by saying things would have been much worse if they had they not plunged our grandchildren into untold debt. Yes, that is a really easy piece of BS logic, things are bad but they could have been worse. NO, things SHOULD be better now then then what we see as history has taught us in EVERY other recession. Again Democrat BS.

Of course the minority party isn't exempt from contempt. I think the broad brush approached because of SOME that Democrats are unpatriotic or do not love their country is an unfair characterization caused by a large few. To say that the whole of the DNC is against God because it sure sounded like a whole lot of them voted against God at their convention again may be a little overblown.

Bottom line, we do not have a common enemy to unite us. It is as it has always been party, party, party first. No one can be happy with the way things are today in the US. Yes, there are signs of a weak recovery but the recovery should have been one of the biggest and strongest. I seriously doubted that any one thought that the economy was not going to recover it has always been just a matter of time. 3 1/2 years is a history breaking weak recovery. To that we can be united and I think we are. The MSM will paint every bit of economic news they see as positive. The unemployment rate drops from 8.3 to 8.1 and that will be viewed, not as a statistical variance, but a sign of recovery. It is going to get worse as we approach November and that is the real cause of what we are seeing.

We never really had a totally independent media, Cronkite lied is ass off giving his opinion, and now we actually get to see both sides, one of course isn't true. Before all we ever heard is what the ABC news media blared at us on the nightly news.

So no, I don't care what the BBC thinks about what is going on in America. Second I think what we have today can be healthier in that we can know the truth it is just separating the turds from the apples which is hard. It is made even harder wearing the blinders of party first.

Bottom line, if this were a football team with the same morale and same lack of positive direction the coach would be fired. THAT we all should unite around.

I agree with a lot of what you had to say. I think that media has started to essentially dictate what we think instead of reporting it figuring if they say it we will believe and thus it will be our opinion.

Further than that, a thoughtful post is welcome amidst the mindless mud slinging.

 

[Seawytch]

Do you believe you are entitled to gain insurance coverage for your pre-existing conditions, or not?

And along those same lines, do you believe you are entitled to purchase car insurance for your car after you have wrecked it?


This is child's play.


LOL

God are you stupid. This truly explains why the Republican Party is doomed and has become irrelevant. What you are saying is that anyone who becomes sick should no longer be permitted to buy health insurance because they are a risk. If you have insurance and become sick, then the insurance company should be able to stop covering you. So what is the point of insurance in that scenario? That is the scenario you support based on everything you have said.

Do you believe you are entitled to gain insurance coverage for your pre-existing conditions, or not?

And along those same lines, do you believe you are entitled to purchase car insurance for your car after you have wrecked it?

Why would you assume that a pre-existing condition is your own fault? If someone else sideswipes my car and wrecks it, why shouldn't I expect insurance?

This shouldn't even be a discussion. Healthcare, like education and defense, should be equally available to all.

 

[zeke]

We are spit like we haven't been for a long time because we are stupid as never before.

Used to be we were all Americans, first and foremost. Not any more.

Now everybody is on a "team". And ever since we went to high school, we have been supporting our "team".

Politicas is just an extension of the team idea.

Some support the repug team and some the demorat team and then the indys act as referree's.

But there is no longer the idea that we are all in this together and we are all on the same team.
And that working together will help solve problems. Fuk that idea.

Its become the my way or the highway country.

Hey, NOTHING lasts forever and there have been societies as great as ours that eventually failed. They just took longer to do it because they didn't have the internet.

 

[Mac1958]

.

"Hell yeah we're polarized, and it's all the fault of those guys, over there."

You can't make this stuff up.



.

 

[SniperFire]

God are you stupid. This truly explains why the Republican Party is doomed and has become irrelevant. What you are saying is that anyone who becomes sick should no longer be permitted to buy health insurance because they are a risk. If you have insurance and become sick, then the insurance company should be able to stop covering you. So what is the point of insurance in that scenario? That is the scenario you support based on everything you have said.

Do you believe you are entitled to gain insurance coverage for your pre-existing conditions, or not?

And along those same lines, do you believe you are entitled to purchase car insurance for your car after you have wrecked it?

Why would you assume that a pre-existing condition is your own fault? If someone else sideswipes my car and wrecks it, why shouldn't I expect insurance?

This shouldn't even be a discussion. Healthcare, like education and defense, should be equally available to all.

I don't care if it is his 'fault' or not.

Gubmint does not exist to make life fair.

 

[Dot Com]

because political positions have become so coveted that the next election is more important to them than the next generation. The pols won't pass laws strict enough to discourage them from being bought-off by big biz lobbyists w/ promises of campaign funds or future employment. If they are able to craft new strict legislation limiting the power of corps & their lobbyists, Republicans demand that it be watered-down.

true story

tissue?

 

[Steelplate]

There are several factors in that which polarize us, but undoubtedly among them is Obama's gambit to stay in power by creating, or at least exploiting, the class warfare issue. It is buck-naked populism and its essence ignores an ugly little secret:

Increasing taxes on only the uber rich is not going to be the panacea that the left envisions. What will have to be done is across-the-board tax increases and spending cuts. No politician, right or left, will tell you that because the electorate is myopic. It is a glaring problem of democracy. Look at Greece. They are a democracy and yet they essentially are being "governed" from Berlin. If we're not prudent and willing to confront unpleasant realities we may be "governed" from Beijing someday

I agree....to a point. First off...We aren't Greece. Greece has very little in the way of revenue producing enterprise and industry. Furthermore, China is(economically speaking) starting to rip apart at the seams. They are doing too much, too fast...not to mention they manipulate their currency at a highly unsustainable rate.

But you're right in the fact that merely raising taxes on the wealthy alone is nothing more than a band aid. What we need to have lasting growth and to pay down this debt is a combination of two things...IMO, of course.

1. We need to put more disposable(and taxable) income in the hands of more people. That means not just jobs, but family sustaining jobs with enough breathing room that people can spend and save, not live paycheck to paycheck with a credit card as a backup or government assistance to make ends meet.

2. Reasonable and humane cuts across the board. Government employees positions not being filled when they retire is the simplest and the most humane way to take care of that....forcing the New Hires that DO take the place of people in needed positions into a 401k retirement program is another. Eliminating overly redundant programs, and of course...getting rid of waste, fraud and abuse is a given....along with eliminating No Bid government projects.

I am sure there are more ideas that do not involve hurting our poor and our elderly that could be employed.

The problem is that in my #1 point, it's going to take the cooperation of the private sector who is really not used to the idea of delayed gratification. They are kind of like that J.G Wentworth Commercial...."it's my money and I want it NOW!". But if people have that extra money...it will eventually come back to them in increased sales...it just won't be as quick of a turn around.

 

[Wry Catcher]

An interesting article from BBC. I think sites like this, Brietbart, Daily Kos and the likes of Fox and MSNBC are first and foremost among the culprits. The internet has allowed us to accomplish a great deal, but the drawbacks are becoming more apparent with each passing year. Also, much of MSM has dropped it's impartiality in favor of gaining ratings with those who want news spun their way. I don't know if it will ever get better.

Well, now I see that I have to have 15 points (whatever the hell those are) to post a link to other sites. Kinda silly. Anyway the article is on BBC's web page and is called "What happened to America's community spirit?", if some one with this ponderous posting privilege is inclined to link it.

I wonder if I can say that.

Why? Simple: Gingrich.

 

[auditor0007]

So you think you should be taken care of because you didn't bitch about it at the time?

What the fuck are you talking about? Where did I ever state I should be taken care of? Some of you people live in another reality, I swear.

Do you not want to be able to purchase a health insurance policy for less expense than your actuarial risk merits?

Are you really an auditor? LOL

When I was first insured, my actuarial risk was minimal. Once I developed an illness, I became expendable. Moving from one state to another should not mean a company can stop covering you. You really aren't very bright, are you?