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There is ONLY one reason for the gop to fight this.
They place party over country.
Like the Democrats did when they passed Obamacare after Obama told him he needed it to save his presidency?
Please outline how giving people access to healthcare and saving the government money is in any way partisan politics?
You see voting against our national defense interests is being a partisan hack who places party over country.
START only impacts the NNPT if Russia decides not to help Iran develop nuclear power. How well is that working again?
so, was the text of the treaty available to you now, do you need the link to the 165 page protocol, too.
shall i take you by the hand?
your only game is a no,you and deflection when called out.
oh, and ciriititicizien grammar and punctuation, when cornered.
I actually pay attention when POTUS talks about foreign policy. He offered to reduce nuclear weapons if the Russians agreed to stop Iran from developing nuclear power. You can link to whatever you like, but you will not convince me that Iran does not have a functioning power plant right now.
They have already said their main goal while in power was to make Obama a one termer.
That means they put everything second or less including the countries self defense.
This act is just proof of what they have already said.
so, was the text of the treaty available to you now, do you need the link to the 165 page protocol, too.
shall i take you by the hand?
your only game is a no,you and deflection when called out.
oh, and ciriititicizien grammar and punctuation, when cornered.
I actually pay attention when POTUS talks about foreign policy. He offered to reduce nuclear weapons if the Russians agreed to stop Iran from developing nuclear power. You can link to whatever you like, but you will not convince me that Iran does not have a functioning power plant right now.
yeah, but there was a high-rise in shanghai that burned like a fucking torch recently!
Why is it that James A. Baker, Colin Powell, Henry Kissinger, Madeleine Albright, Bill Cohen,
William Perry and General Brent Scowcroft amongst others support it?
Proof positive it is bad news. Seriously.. Madeleine Albright?? Good Lord.
I actually pay attention when POTUS talks about foreign policy. He offered to reduce nuclear weapons if the Russians agreed to stop Iran from developing nuclear power. You can link to whatever you like, but you will not convince me that Iran does not have a functioning power plant right now.
yeah, but there was a high-rise in shanghai that burned like a fucking torch recently!
You are the one claiming the two treaties are linked, not me.
They have already said their main goal while in power was to make Obama a one termer.
That means they put everything second or less including the countries self defense.
This act is just proof of what they have already said.
Wasn't that the main goal of the Democrats and Bush? Or did the Democrats actively work to get him reelected?
They have already said their main goal while in power was to make Obama a one termer.
That means they put everything second or less including the countries self defense.
This act is just proof of what they have already said.
Kyle has it right. This is not something a Lameduck Congress should be deciding. They should take their time with this. There is no rush. This is not a "Crisis." I'm sure the Democrats will be spewing their "Crisis" rhetoric on this any day now but it really isn't. The World will go on just fine if this Treaty isn't jammed through immediately. Trust me.
Kyle has it right. This is not something a Lameduck Congress should be deciding. They should take their time with this. There is no rush. This is not a "Crisis." I'm sure the Democrats will be spewing their "Crisis" rhetoric on this any day now but it really isn't. The World will go on just fine if this Treaty isn't jammed through immediately. Trust me.
What a surprise response!
Kyle is right! This nations top experts and the military brass are wrong?
Do you realise exactly how stupid that appears? (Answer,,,NO!)
Kyle has it right. This is not something a Lameduck Congress should be deciding. They should take their time with this. There is no rush. This is not a "Crisis." I'm sure the Democrats will be spewing their "Crisis" rhetoric on this any day now but it really isn't. The World will go on just fine if this Treaty isn't jammed through immediately. Trust me.
What a surprise response!
Kyle is right! This nations top experts and the military brass are wrong?
Do you realise exactly how stupid that appears? (Answer,,,NO!)
here is a tip: don't address this poster. he will just recycle his paragraph and repeat it 10 times.
it is safe to say that no compelling reason for the delay has been presented, neither by the senate Rs, nor by the posters here. but that was never a probable outcome of this thread.
we need more time... lol
Kyle has it right. This is not something a Lameduck Congress should be deciding. They should take their time with this. There is no rush. This is not a "Crisis." I'm sure the Democrats will be spewing their "Crisis" rhetoric on this any day now but it really isn't. The World will go on just fine if this Treaty isn't jammed through immediately. Trust me.
What a surprise response!
Kyle is right! This nations top experts and the military brass are wrong?
Do you realise exactly how stupid that appears? (Answer,,,NO!)
Kyle has it right. This is not something a Lameduck Congress should be deciding. They should take their time with this. There is no rush. This is not a "Crisis." I'm sure the Democrats will be spewing their "Crisis" rhetoric on this any day now but it really isn't. The World will go on just fine if this Treaty isn't jammed through immediately. Trust me.
What a surprise response!
Kyle is right! This nations top experts and the military brass are wrong?
Do you realise exactly how stupid that appears? (Answer,,,NO!)
Stupid describes this Dem-Led Worst Congress in History perfectly. They just want to jam another thing through that they themselves haven't even read. Unfortunately that's par for the course for them. I'm sure they'll be spinning that this is another "Crisis" but i assure you it's not. This Treaty needs to be studied and scrutinized more before ratification. I actually still expect our politicians to take their time and read Legislation before voting on it. I know that seems crazy considering what the Democrats have done to our Congress,but it is how i feel. Why rush this? Just because the President says it's great,doesn't mean it's true. They should go slow on this one.
His full thoughts are here: RealClearPolitics - Our Foreign Policy Neophyte"Unfortunately for the United States, the country Obama represents, the prospective treaty is useless at best, detrimental at worst.
Useless because the level of offensive nuclear weaponry, the subject of the U.S.-Russia Joint Understanding, is an irrelevance. We could today terminate all such negotiations, invite the Russians to build as many warheads as they want, and profitably watch them spend themselves into penury, as did their Soviet predecessors, stockpiling weapons that do nothing more than, as Churchill put it, make the rubble bounce
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First, this treaty does the exact opposite of what successive administrations from Reagan onward insisted upon: No linkage between U.S. missile defense and nuclear arsenals. They are to be considered separately. This is in the U.S.'s interest simply because, operationally speaking, the U.S. actually has this defensive capability and Russia does not. Secondly, most of this U.S. defensive capability does not even involve nuclear warheads.
Charles Krauthammer made a good point about a year or so ago when Obama started pushing this before he got side tracked with his Obamacare agenda and his effort to demonize an Arizona forced to do something about the immigration debacle on its border with Mexico. He said:His full thoughts are here: RealClearPolitics - Our Foreign Policy Neophyte"Unfortunately for the United States, the country Obama represents, the prospective treaty is useless at best, detrimental at worst.
Useless because the level of offensive nuclear weaponry, the subject of the U.S.-Russia “Joint Understanding,” is an irrelevance. We could today terminate all such negotiations, invite the Russians to build as many warheads as they want, and profitably watch them spend themselves into penury, as did their Soviet predecessors, stockpiling weapons that do nothing more than, as Churchill put it, make the rubble bounce
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The only concern we should have regards a U.S. ability to monitor Russia's weaponized nuclear material which, according to many authorities, this treaty is far from comprehensively addressing. To Obama there are only two concerns that matter here:
1. The appearance of 'accomplishment' to appease those already singing in his choir.
2. The continuation of his appeasement agenda that, this time, focuses on the Russians in the hope that they will not participate in mischief regarding winter shutoff of gas to former Eastern European satellites or the mistaken belief that they will, somehow, force Iran to cooperate RE its nuke program.
As to the reason for the haste to push this treaty through look no further than a presently lame duck Senate and compare the increase in difficulty that will be manifest in trying to pass this pig after 3 Jan 2011.
Expect Obama and his minions to blame and demonize the GOP on this. There's absolutely no compelling reason not to have a debate about this treaty before we even think about ratifying it.
For those interested in a more detailed treatment see a Bolton and Yoo's op-ed here:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/10/opinion/10bolton.html?_r=2&ref=opinion
JM
It amazes me that people who criticize others for not knowing what a treaty is about demonstrate their own lack of understanding immediately afterward. The Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty has nothing to do with preventing countries like Iran from developing nuclear weapons, that would be the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. Since that was signed, and ratified, already the Senate does not have to worry about it, and you cannot blame Kyl, or anyone else, for Iran not paying attention to it.
I guess you could blame Obama for not doing enough to discourage Iran from ignoring it, but I doubt you will.
yeah, amazing. one only need to read the first page of the 17 page pdf to find the connection between the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear
Weapons of 1968 and START.
or listen to what the senators said who voted for it in committee.
or use your brain.
START supports NNPT.
START only impacts the NNPT if Russia decides not to help Iran develop nuclear power. How well is that working again?
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