Why are the forum whites so damn defensive sensitive and whiny when discussing race?

[AkronGuy]

I think many of the forum's Whites are so damned defensive, sensitive and whiney because those are attributes that are valued in sensitively, defensive, whiney white communities.

Where is this community? Whites by and large are busy apologizing for being white, not being "whiny". I guess that's a form of whiny, but not what you're talking about.

Also, is anyone here denying that BLACKS don't fucking flip their 'fro's at the slightest of slights? Ross Perot get shot down because he said "you people." Blacks don't even know what they want to be CALLED... I think when it comes to racial oversensitivity, whites are way behind.

After a history of slights, no slight should go unchallenged because some people can be racial offensive out of ignorance because they don't know they are being such.

Just like you ?

 

[AkronGuy]

Charlie is no more a racist than I am, Liability. He is not a racist. I wish people would stop dismissing everything he says with this 'racist' label. If you could understand where he's coming from, you would see no racism.... You would see a decent person who tries to challenge others to think about race.

Well, except for the fact that you are wrong about him and that he is a racist.

You don't challenge "those" white folks to ponder an alleged fact if the only basis you have to claim the alleged fact as a "fact" is that you are being a racist about "those" whites in the first place.

Most of what the Basshole says fits in that category.

He makes glaring, usually baseless, generalizations about whites as though his racist perceptions were "the truth."

When whites behave like that toward blacks, they are rightly condemned as racists.

Well, guess what? When a black guy does it about whites, he too is just being racist.

If he wants to challenge the way many or most whites allegedly think about race issues, then he is first obliged to back up his premises. Basing them on racial stereotypes is a racist shortcut to actual thought. And if the Basshole is guilty of that (which he is) then the right label is properly applied to him and his manner of "debate:" racism.

Perhaps I see it as more understandable for a black person to be slightly sceptical when it comes to racism. I perhaps cut people some slack because I think that blacks experience more racism than I do. What I experience - on a regular basis - is people judging me on my blonde hair and blue eyes - you think the dumb blonde thing is a joke? It isn't. People make judgements about me - 'she's cute therefore she's stupid' - I even once had a guy who told me that I didn't have to work hard, I could get by on my looks. I kid you not! That attititude affects people. Perhaps that's why I understand Charlie. I like Charlie. I think he has a good heart.

I can understand him to a point. But I don't think he has a good heart, when he was younger, I'm sure he commited hate crimes against poor whites.

 

[AkronGuy]

Blacks have as much right here as you do, William. You don't like that - you fuck off and go elsewhere.

If people like you would stop justifying racism, people like Charlie wouldn't have to keep reminding us that racism still exists. You, William, are the problem - not the solution.

He wasn't justifying racism. He was saying it runs both ways.

Well, maybe if our ancestors had been treated the way that historically blacks were treated, maybe we would feel a bit pissed about it too. I'm not saying it's right, I'm saying it's understandable. We don't solve it by pretending everything is fine. We must remember the mistakes of the past in order to continue to learn from them.

I'm not saying that whites should feel guilty, we should not. But.... we need to stop seeing color and see character. That's what MLK said - and MLK was right.

OUR ANCESTORS ?!?!? Your fucking ancestors. Not mine, mine were corporate slaves. Or they were slaughtered by Union or Confederate armies, or they were slaughtered by British or French armies, or they had bombs dropped on them by American armies. Your fucking ancestors exploited, terrorized, raped, killed, enslaved and oppressed my ancestors. Just because we're both white, don't fucking act like we've the same history. The only time my ancestors did shit against blacks was when blacks were shipped in as scabs during the coal wars, and they deserved that shit as all scabs deserve death. Just because you're white, doesn't mean all whites have the same history.

 

[SFC Ollie]

In my local paper today was an article about how Youngstown Ohio has a hiring policy for it's police and Fire departments.

For every two white officers or firemen they hire they must hire one Black or woman.

They keep two separate hiring lists. The Mayor who is black said (and I paraphrase) Blacks and women normally don't do as well on the tests, but they are just as qualified.


HUH?

Talk about racism running rampant.

lol Well look at Youngstown though. They're all idiots there. But if they don't do well enough to pass, then they're not as qualified. I'm sick of all kinds of shit being dumbed down to help black folks. That's why I took my children out of public schools, that and their only choice was to attend an Afrocentric school.

Fortunately , no kids left in school. So we bought a house well outside of town, in a nice quiet little village. Of course everyone knows your business but what the hell.

 

[AkronGuy]

In my local paper today was an article about how Youngstown Ohio has a hiring policy for it's police and Fire departments.

For every two white officers or firemen they hire they must hire one Black or woman.

They keep two separate hiring lists. The Mayor who is black said (and I paraphrase) Blacks and women normally don't do as well on the tests, but they are just as qualified.


HUH?

Talk about racism running rampant.

lol Well look at Youngstown though. They're all idiots there. But if they don't do well enough to pass, then they're not as qualified. I'm sick of all kinds of shit being dumbed down to help black folks. That's why I took my children out of public schools, that and their only choice was to attend an Afrocentric school.

Fortunately , no kids left in school. So we bought a house well outside of town, in a nice quiet little village. Of course everyone knows your business but what the hell.

It's nice out in the country, but Youngstown ? Fuck that shit. I'm conteplating getting a home near Lake Berlin. But that's because I'm a boater.

 

[SFC Ollie]

lol Well look at Youngstown though. They're all idiots there. But if they don't do well enough to pass, then they're not as qualified. I'm sick of all kinds of shit being dumbed down to help black folks. That's why I took my children out of public schools, that and their only choice was to attend an Afrocentric school.

Fortunately , no kids left in school. So we bought a house well outside of town, in a nice quiet little village. Of course everyone knows your business but what the hell.

It's nice out in the country, but Youngstown ? Fuck that shit. I'm conteplating getting a home near Lake Berlin. But that's because I'm a boater.

We used to spend every summer camping at Berlin. And I mean every summer the entire summer. Dad would go to work from there. Still great fishing I go to Berlin at least 8 or 9 times every year. Want to get over to West Branch one of these days.

 

[☭proletarian☭]

I'm Appalachian, my culture is quite different from yours

from family structures and kinship identities

'Round here, sisters and wives aint usually the same person.

 

[☭proletarian☭]

He wasn't justifying racism. He was saying it runs both ways.

Well, maybe if our ancestors had been treated the way that historically blacks were treated, maybe we would feel a bit pissed about it too. I'm not saying it's right, I'm saying it's understandable. We don't solve it by pretending everything is fine. We must remember the mistakes of the past in order to continue to learn from them.

I'm not saying that whites should feel guilty, we should not. But.... we need to stop seeing color and see character. That's what MLK said - and MLK was right.

OUR ANCESTORS ?!?!? Your fucking ancestors. Not mine, mine were corporate slaves. Or they were slaughtered by Union or Confederate armies, or they were slaughtered by British or French armies, or they had bombs dropped on them by American armies. Your fucking ancestors exploited, terrorized, raped, killed, enslaved and oppressed my ancestors. Just because we're both white, don't fucking act like we've the same history. The only time my ancestors did shit against blacks was when blacks were shipped in as scabs during the coal wars, and they deserved that shit as all scabs deserve death. Just because you're white, doesn't mean all whites have the same history.

Oh come on, now

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[JWBooth]

Why are the forum whites so damn defensive sensitive and whiny when discussing race?

I dunno....
Let me be the first to wish you a very Happy Afro-Mythology Month !

 

[☭proletarian☭]

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[☭proletarian☭]

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[HUGGY]

Its seems like everytime race is discussed and in particular when the crimes of whites against nonwhites are discussed, why do the forum whites try to make others look just as bad as their genocidal, murderous ancestors and argue the same strawman argument that people are accusing all whites? Whats the matter? Some of these same forum whites have no problem talking the good that whites have done past and present but get red and hot in the face when the crimes and wrongs of the same people are being discussed? race relations will never improve by ignoring the past and pretending that if it isn't discussed it isn't a problem.

Have you ever brought anything to this MB that wasn't about race or faggots? You are a sad person.

 

[Conspiracist]

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[global]

Racism exists... but racism exists in all races. I think a significant number of whites just feel that we are not responsible for the sins of the past and, by continually whining on about things we cannot change, perpetuates racism. The only way we can stop racism is to allow it to die - not keep using it against each other.

Exactly. Almost every race in the world has suffered from racism and genocide. Kurds, Greeks, and Armenians under the Ottomans, the Chinese under the Japanese, the American Indians under the Spanish, the Persians under the Mongols, etc...

White Guilt is such a Jew-centric term, it doesn't exist. And if Blacks really want to integrate to society, then they'll have to stop playing the race card.