Why are democrats holding our government hostage?

[Redfish]

Majorites don't want it repealed, either. It's staying.

52% is not a majority?

Never mind the fact that out of any percentage of those who "don't like" the law, a healthy number of those people don't think it goes far enough - in other words, they would like to see a more 'liberal' law.

Anyway, polls don't make or break laws. It was passed, signed into law and upheld by the SC. Deal with it.

slavery was once the law of the land, women could not vote, interracial marriage was illegal, prohibition was the law of the land.

bad law can be, and should be, repealed.

 

[Darkwind]

What do you hope to accomplish with this? You have to see by now that no one is falling for it.

If the Republican minority wants to hold the nation hostage, they should be proud of doing so. They shouldn't try to pretend they're not doing it. That just makes them look dishonest as well as thuggish, and an honest thug looks better than a dishonest thug.

How are they holding the nation hostage? The GOP and the House has already voted to keep the government solvent.

How hard is that to to understand?

 

[Seawytch]

52% is not a majority?

Never mind the fact that out of any percentage of those who "don't like" the law, a healthy number of those people don't think it goes far enough - in other words, they would like to see a more 'liberal' law.

Anyway, polls don't make or break laws. It was passed, signed into law and upheld by the SC. Deal with it.

slavery was once the law of the land, women could not vote, interracial marriage was illegal, prohibition was the law of the land.

bad law can be, and should be, repealed.

Right because those are exactly like getting healthcare for more Americans.

 

[AmericanFirst]

The ACA is law, not a "bill". Go back to Schoolhouse Rock.

I'll answer your question with a question...

If a majority Democrat controlled house passed a budget funding everything except the military or the government would shut down, who is shutting down the government?

so you can't answer the question, no surprise

btw...your comparison is apples/oranges...comparing the military with obamacare is absurd, further, obamacare is not even implemented yet

It doesn't matter if it is fully implemented or not. It is a law, passed by Congress, signed by the President and even upheld by the SCOTUS. The analogy holds for whatever law you want to use. If George Bush had any "signature legislation" I could use that as an analogy, but alas.

Use the funding of Iraq, Medicare Part D, whatever but switch it around and the GOP would be pitching a fit and falling into it about the treasonous, terrorist actions of the Democrats.

So...if a Democratically controlled House said that they would shut down the government if their budget, that did not fund some signature Republican legislation (if they had any), was not passed...who would be the one shutting down the government?

Pushed through using reconciliation with lies is not exactly the proper way. Scotus was influenced, obummercare is not constitutional.

 

[OriginalShroom]

It is a law that was passed by one party, with no discussion, no explanation to the american people, no amendments allowed by the other party, no open debate.

and it was passed by reconciliation in the senate, a process that has never been used for such a massive change in the way the country functions.

it is a terrible bill that was passed in the worst possible way.

It must be stopped, congress needs to get together and fix the terrible bill into something that will actually work and will not bankrupt the country.

You forget that it was illegally passed as it orginated in the Senate and all taxing bills must originate in the House.

The Democrats and Obama refused to call it taxes until it went before the SCotUS and then did so in order to get past the Constitutional requirements.

 

[Steven_R]

They didn't even call it a tax then so much as John Roberts (fuck be upon him) said Obamacare was a no go under the Commerce Clause but was somehow just peachy as a tax.

 

[ron4342]

so you can't answer the question, no surprise

btw...your comparison is apples/oranges...comparing the military with obamacare is absurd, further, obamacare is not even implemented yet

It doesn't matter if it is fully implemented or not. It is a law, passed by Congress, signed by the President and even upheld by the SCOTUS. The analogy holds for whatever law you want to use. If George Bush had any "signature legislation" I could use that as an analogy, but alas.

Use the funding of Iraq, Medicare Part D, whatever but switch it around and the GOP would be pitching a fit and falling into it about the treasonous, terrorist actions of the Democrats.

So...if a Democratically controlled House said that they would shut down the government if their budget, that did not fund some signature Republican legislation (if they had any), was not passed...who would be the one shutting down the government?

Pushed through using reconciliation with lies is not exactly the proper way. Scotus was influenced, obummercare is not constitutional.

One has to be amazed how wingnuts can convince themselves that in a democracy the minority should rule. Make no mistake about it, the republicans may be the majority in the House but they do not represent the majority in the government. Consider the following, IF the people do not like the ACA, why did they elect Obama in a landslide. If they don't want the act they would not have voted him to a second term. Second, the Democrats control the Senate. That means that 2/3 of the government is under Democratic control. The idea that a minority should be able to blackmail and hold the nation hostage is absurd and downright stupid. If the wingnuts are really concerned with health care why have they not provided an alternate plan. Saying NO to ACA 41 times is a waste of time. Where is the gop plan? Where are the jobs bills Obama has called for? Where is there concern for ALL Americans?

 

[EriktheRed]

52% is not a majority?

Never mind the fact that out of any percentage of those who "don't like" the law, a healthy number of those people don't think it goes far enough - in other words, they would like to see a more 'liberal' law.

Anyway, polls don't make or break laws. It was passed, signed into law and upheld by the SC. Deal with it.

slavery was once the law of the land, women could not vote, interracial marriage was illegal, prohibition was the law of the land.

bad law can be, and should be, repealed.

You actually have to mke the case that it's bad law, though. Furthermore you also have to make the case that repeal is the only option as opposed to fixing it legislatively.


Republicans failed to do either last year.