Why are conservatives embracing false narratives of urban decline, and what can be done to encourage embracing social/political reality?

[MinTrut]

Because there is some truth to it and it highlights policy differences between the two sides.

But is embracing false narratives, making false claims, and insulting rather than debating the topic as so many here have chosen to do a good way to proceed in discussing this?

Things like defund the police cashless bail letting people shoplift $900.00 dollars worth of stuff before doing anything to them electing DA that won't proescute many crimes which these cities did to varying degrees helped cause the problems they have.

All good points.

But I think it's best to remain grounded in reality rather than a fantasy of decline/decay/chaos; then the actual issues can be better addressed.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Can you support your position with facts/links?

i can support it like other people do.....when i go shopping and pay the bills.....

 

[MinTrut]

Don't GAF....You're spewing leftoid happy talk blabbering.

This isn't a substantive response; I've seen you do much better here on the forum.

Down, compared to historic highs....Cold comfort.

Good point; the Democrats certainly did a number on the country with their CovidScam.

But the topic...?

 

[MinTrut]

LOL. Well, we could start with their own people moving the hell out.

As noted, high living costs seem to be the primary driver, but these places nonetheless remain highly desirable, with costs continuing to rise.

 

[MinTrut]

Did you have a response relevant to the topic?

 

[MinTrut]

Do you care to retort with statistics to rebut?

It's extraordinary isn't it?

When challenged with facts which counter their false narratives, mockery/denial of those facts appears to be the preferred response.

Rational debate is quite rare, but then again, how can people rationally defend irrational beliefs?

 

[Independentthinker]

As noted, high living costs seem to be the primary driver, but these places nonetheless remain highly desirable, with costs continuing to rise.

Desirable for the one percenters.

 

[MinTrut]

After you debunk all of this.

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This response doesn't address the topic; can you address the topic?

 

[MinTrut]

Highly-contagious infection spread by feces breaks out in Portland

Shigella is a bacteria that spreads through human feces. People transmit the infection after getting the bacteria on their hands and by touching their mouths.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Is this a common urban problem, or an exception?

You of course understand that all cities have issues, including places like Nashville and Memphis with their high murder rates.

But one cannot rationally use the example of a man biting a dog to conclude that there's an epidemic of men biting dogs everywhere.

 

[blackhawk]

But is embracing false narratives, making false claims, and insulting rather than debating the topic as so many here have chosen to do a good way to proceed in discussing this?
Very few here right or left want to discuss anything they just want to tell anyone they don't agree with there wrong about everything.
All good points.

But I think it's best to remain grounded in reality rather than a fantasy of decline/decay/chaos; then the actual issues can be better addressed.

 

[MinTrut]

Like most things that Trumpers believe..

Bullshit

In the case of Seattle, order has most certainly been restored.

This area was one I visited recently.

 

[Hollie]

In the case of Seattle, order has most certainly been restored.

This area was one I visited recently.

Are you sure you weren't confused about the city you claim to have visited?

Seattle violent crime hits 15-year high, and 4 more takeaways from new report

The city's violent crime rate increased to 736 per 100,000 residents in 2022, the highest in years. Gun violence also hit an all-time high in annual stats.

www.seattletimes.com

Seattle violent crime hits 15-year high, and 4 more takeaways from new report​

Feb. 7, 2023 at 11:18 am Updated Feb. 7, 2023 at 7:14 pm

 

[Lastamender]

Did you have a response relevant to the topic?

It was relevant to that post. I try.

 

[Lastamender]

This response doesn't address the topic; can you address the topic?

Can you stop acting like Barney Fife?

 

[MinTrut]

Not to the extent that it goes on in seattle and san fran

Evidence or link?

You accuse conservatives of a false narrative

I simply observe this behavior.

But the failure of liberal democrat policy there is real

Where?

Seattle is a magnificent, thriving city.

 

[Mac-7]

Evidence or link?

I simply observe this behavior.

Where?

Seattle is a magnificent, thriving city.

Opinions vary as to the cause of homelessness and why its worse in californis

But even libs have to admit that it is

Reasons like a lack of affordable housing are common on the left

But the most basic underlying cause is drug addiction

And San Fran and Seattle are two of the mist drug friendly places anywhere