Who should provide health insurance: Private biz? Govt? Neither?

[syrenn]

This is a pretty simple question. Who should provide health insurance?

Your employer? Hey, we aren't socialists!
Your government? Hey, its not my boss's job to provide my coverage.
Neither? Hey, we aren't commies, AND its not my boss's job, let the peasants figure it out.
YOU ALONE? Buy it yourself. If you cant afford it, die.

Seems the GOP is dead set against govt healthcare. Its socialism.
However, they are also dead set agianst employers paying for it, because thats not the private sector's obligation.
So...is it solely the individual's job to provide health insurance, just like car insurance? Which...is exactly what Obamacare did, make each individual provide their own?? Oh wait, thats communism.

So...whats the answer?

the answer is easy... if you want it... pay for it.

Obamacare is ponzi scheme.... so long as some pay and others dont... the ones that pay will carry the ones that dont.... its nothing new... just more on the dole.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Bullshit.

 

[francoHFW]

OP: all of the above, with help from gov't if they can't afford it. Medicaid with preventive care and low cost clinics is cheaper for the country and the health system than ER care.

Masscare and every other modern country prove Pub fear mongering is total BS for the dupes as always. Our Pub default health "system" is a ridiculously overpriced and cruel disaster for our economy.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Our healthcare system is so bad that fat fucking murderer from MA, Kennedy went to which country for his care?

He hated our health care system too

 

[Old Rocks]

Sick Around The World | FRONTLINE | PBS

 

[francoHFW]

#24- hater dupe idiocy...link?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

There should be no profit motive involved. Insurance companies exist to make money. They need to be taken out of the equation.

Government runs things best. Look at the Post Office vs FedEx

 

[Luddly Neddite]

The provider of the insurance is irrelevant as long as it pays off. The important question is what is insurance buying? In our case it is buying a workforce who will put up with some pretty harsh treatment to keep coverage.

Paying off ... I have experience with this. Someone close to me had health and life ins and covered his employees health and keyman ins. He had open heart surgery and the ins dropped him AND his employees.

ACA ends that criminal behavior on the part of ins co's.

 

[LoneLaugher]

There should be no profit motive involved. Insurance companies exist to make money. They need to be taken out of the equation.

Government runs things best. Look at the Post Office vs FedEx

OK.

What is your point?

The post office is self funded and does an outstanding job. Irreplaceable in many cases.

You lose.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

OP: all of the above, with help from gov't if they can't afford it. Medicaid with preventive care and low cost clinics is cheaper for the country and the health system than ER care.

Masscare and every other modern country prove Pub fear mongering is total BS for the dupes as always. Our Pub default health "system" is a ridiculously overpriced and cruel disaster for our economy.

The most cruel part is that we already pay more than enough to give every single person in the US excellent health care.

Instead, we've been stuck with the completely unAmerican ans antiAmerican socialist metals. And, ignorant rw's will fight against having to pay their way.

It's the rw's who want Socialism and ts the rw's who lie about it.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

There should be no profit motive involved. Insurance companies exist to make money. They need to be taken out of the equation.

Government runs things best. Look at the Post Office vs FedEx

OK.

What is your point?

The post office is self funded and does an outstanding job. Irreplaceable in many cases.

You lose.

Like Medicare.

 

[bucs90]

The provider of the insurance is irrelevant as long as it pays off. The important question is what is insurance buying? In our case it is buying a workforce who will put up with some pretty harsh treatment to keep coverage.

Thats a very interesting perspective I've never considered.

America has vast natural resources and land to grow food. We also have a natural advantage from invasion due to being surrounded by friendly Canada and Mexico and huge oceans, with no real nearby threat.

So...if our people had health coverage without needing their boss to pay for it, and local community food co-ops...they wouldnt put up with much of the bullshit from corporate dickheads in many jobs.

So really, whoever provides health coverage, the people are basically gonna be enslaved to: The govt, or corporations.

 

[gwennie]

The answer is private insurance that works the same as all your other insurance (home, life, and auto).

You buy it from any company in the country, and you select what options you want. And your policy doesn't expire when you quit or lose your job. You can keep the same policy for as long as you wish, and earn the same discounts you get with your other types of insurance.

Employer-sponsored health care needs to go. It bends the cost curve up, and it is a huge tax expenditure. It is a gigantic obstacle toward fixing our national health care system.

With most people buying their own insurance in a truly competitive market, we should see a great reduction in health insurance costs.



In addition, we should raise the Medicare eligibility age to 70, or at least index it to 6 percent of the population. We should be supporting the same percentage of the population as when Social Security was first created, not allowing the burden to creep up to more than double that amount as is now the case.

This reform would free up trillions of dollars of obligations which could then be used for assistance to people with catastrophic illnesses.

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No, what we need to do is have people pay taxes on ALL of their income.....not cap it at approx $102k. If we voided that cap on SS/Medicare taxes, the system would be flush with enough money to pay its bills and then some.

 

[gwennie]

Bullshit.

A house is a choice. People do not need to own a house.
An auto is a choice. People do not need to own an auto.
Life insurance is a choice. People do not NEED life insurance.

Everyone who is born will need health care. It's not a choice. I bet you were born in a hospital, correct? And I bet you will DIE in a hospital, a hospice or at home with in-home medical care.
So therefore, you fucking idiot, no one, no corporation should PROFIT from a human being who has a 100% certainty of needing medical care in their lifetime. Got it?

Every other civilized country in this world gets what escapes you and your ignorant thinking.

Wow. The far left comes screaming in for a crash landing!

You want free healthcare. You don't want to pay your own way. You don't want a financial penalty for abusing your body and not staying in good shape. Nice. What a leech on society you are.

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Nope. But thank you for giving us the brain-wash bullshit inside your head that Fox Noise and the far right gave you.

Insurance companies LOVE idiots like you. And they pay lobbyists inside the Beltway handsomely to keep idiots like you under control.

Here's your great American health care system, honey, in world rankings. We're 38th because of morons like yourself:

Rank Expenditure per Capita

1 France France 4
2 Italy Italy 11
3 San Marino San Marino 21
4 Andorra 23
5 Malta 37
6 Singapore Singapore 37
7 Spain Spain 24
8 Oman Oman 62
9 Austria 6
10 Japan Japan 13
11 Norway 16
12 Portugal Portugal 27
13 Monaco 12
14 Greece 30
15 Iceland Iceland 14
16 Luxembourg 5
17 Netherlands Netherlands 9
18 United Kingdom United Kingdom 26
19 Republic of Ireland Ireland 25
20 Switzerland Switzerland 2
21 Belgium 15
22 Colombia Colombia 49
23 Sweden Sweden 7
24 Cyprus Cyprus 39
25 Germany Germany 3
26 Saudi Arabia Saudi Arabia 63
27 United Arab Emirates United Arab Emirates 35
28 Israel Israel 19
29 Morocco Morocco 99
30 Canada Canada 10
31 Finland Finland 18
32 Australia Australia 17
33 Chile 44
34 Argentina Argentina 15
35 Denmark 8
36 Dominica 70
37 Costa Rica Costa Rica 50
38 United States United States 1

You can quote whatever nonsense you want. The fact is that every single person should have to pay for their health insurance, no matter what. Businesses can't afford to keep taking the hit, "free" healthcare is being paid for by those who work while those who don't get off scot free (and are the ones who utilize medical care the most), cutting reimbursement rates to doctors will only insure fewer physicians willing to take on patients who won't pay for services, and rationing medical treatments by bureaucrats aren't the answer. So.......how do we contain healthcare costs while also insuring good patient care?

 

[gwennie]

Stop worrying about insurance and start worrying about actual health care.

The two are different you know.

I'll put forth the idea that we would be better off without health insurance that way we could apply direct market forces to the cost of health care. If that is done, we would see health care operate like any other free market and there would be affordable options and more choice.

For example, why does a doctor have to order blood work for you? Why can't you shop around for the best price from a lab and get your own blood test done then you could shop around to find a doctor with reasonable rates to interpret the results for you.

The same would be true for any other medical service from MRIs to routine surgery.

More choice is always the best option. Insurance has corrupted health care.

Who the hell has time to do that??? Working full time, taking care of a family, and all the other work associated with the above pretty much insures that I don't have time to "shop around" for the best priced blood work. Insurance hasn't corrupted healthcare......the people in charge of health insurance has corrupted healthcare!

 

[rightwinger]

This is a pretty simple question. Who should provide health insurance?

Your employer? Hey, we aren't socialists!
Your government? Hey, its not my boss's job to provide my coverage.
Neither? Hey, we aren't commies, AND its not my boss's job, let the peasants figure it out.
YOU ALONE? Buy it yourself. If you cant afford it, die.

Seems the GOP is dead set against govt healthcare. Its socialism.
However, they are also dead set agianst employers paying for it, because thats not the private sector's obligation.
So...is it solely the individual's job to provide health insurance, just like car insurance? Which...is exactly what Obamacare did, make each individual provide their own?? Oh wait, thats communism.

So...whats the answer?

Let em die

Survival of the richest

Conservative Darwinism

 

[gwennie]

There should be no profit motive involved. Insurance companies exist to make money. They need to be taken out of the equation.

Every business has a right to make a profit. It's called capitalism. If you don't like it, move to France or Germany.

 

[rightwinger]

There should be no profit motive involved. Insurance companies exist to make money. They need to be taken out of the equation.

Every business has a right to make a profit. It's called capitalism. If you don't like it, move to France or Germany.

Insurance companies add no value to healthcare. Bureaucrats who just add overhead to healthcare costs

 

[gwennie]

Your poll makes no sense.

If you can't buy it from private business or govt (which ACA is NOT), where do you buy it?

ACA requires the individual to buy their own insurance but you rw's refuse to EDUCATE yourselves about the reality of that so, that's one more reason why your poll doesn't make sense.

If you vote for the fourth - with certain conditions - you are voting for ACA.

Actually, people can opt out of buying healthcare for themselves as long as they pay the tax for it, which is a paultry amount compared to buying health insurance. Who wouldn't rather pay, say, $700 for the tax to not have health insurance vs paying $5k to have health insurance. Your ACA "healthcare reform" virtually guarantees to continue the same problem of people not having medical insurance while forcing everyone else to pay for someone else's medical bills. You are an idiot.

 

[DiamondDave]

Bullshit.

A house is a choice. People do not need to own a house.
An auto is a choice. People do not need to own an auto.
Life insurance is a choice. People do not NEED life insurance.

Everyone who is born will need health care. It's not a choice. I bet you were born in a hospital, correct? And I bet you will DIE in a hospital, a hospice or at home with in-home medical care.
So therefore, you fucking idiot, no one, no corporation should PROFIT from a human being who has a 100% certainty of needing medical care in their lifetime. Got it?

Every other civilized country in this world gets what escapes you and your ignorant thinking.

Wow. The far left comes screaming in for a crash landing!

You want free healthcare. You don't want to pay your own way. You don't want a financial penalty for abusing your body and not staying in good shape. Nice. What a leech on society you are.

.

Nope. But thank you for giving us the brain-wash bullshit inside your head that Fox Noise and the far right gave you.

Insurance companies LOVE idiots like you. And they pay lobbyists inside the Beltway handsomely to keep idiots like you under control.

Here's your great American health care system, honey, in world rankings. We're 38th because of morons like yourself:

Rank Expenditure per Capita

1 France France 4
2 Italy Italy 11
3 San Marino San Marino 21
4 Andorra 23
5 Malta 37
6 Singapore Singapore 37
7 Spain Spain 24
8 Oman Oman 62
9 Austria 6
10 Japan Japan 13
11 Norway 16
12 Portugal Portugal 27
13 Monaco 12
14 Greece 30
15 Iceland Iceland 14
16 Luxembourg 5
17 Netherlands Netherlands 9
18 United Kingdom United Kingdom 26
19 Republic of Ireland Ireland 25
20 Switzerland Switzerland 2
21 Belgium 15
22 Colombia Colombia 49
23 Sweden Sweden 7
24 Cyprus Cyprus 39
25 Germany Germany 3
26 Saudi Arabia Saudi Arabia 63
27 United Arab Emirates United Arab Emirates 35
28 Israel Israel 19
29 Morocco Morocco 99
30 Canada Canada 10
31 Finland Finland 18
32 Australia Australia 17
33 Chile 44
34 Argentina Argentina 15
35 Denmark 8
36 Dominica 70
37 Costa Rica Costa Rica 50
38 United States United States 1

And another moron referencing the WHO and their reliance on socialist standards as well as reliance on stats that are manipulated by many countries and ot reported the same way as we do here...

Idiot

Nobody OWES you for your own upkeep.. whether you do it by insurance, paying out of pocket, barter, or whatever else.. the ONLY one responsible for your care is YOU...