Who should provide health insurance: Private biz? Govt? Neither?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by bucs90, Dec 7, 2012.

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Who should provide health insurance?

Poll closed Jun 25, 2013.
  1. Government- Its not the private sectors job to do this.

    40.0%
  2. Business- We aren't commies, get the govt out of it

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  3. Neither 1 or 2- We aren't commies, and its not biz job to

    40.0%
  4. Individual- You are responsible to buy your own; Cant afford it? Die off.

    20.0%
  1. bucs90
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    This is a pretty simple question. Who should provide health insurance?

    Your employer? Hey, we aren't socialists!
    Your government? Hey, its not my boss's job to provide my coverage.
    Neither? Hey, we aren't commies, AND its not my boss's job, let the peasants figure it out.
    YOU ALONE? Buy it yourself. If you cant afford it, die.

    Seems the GOP is dead set against govt healthcare. Its socialism.
    However, they are also dead set agianst employers paying for it, because thats not the private sector's obligation.
    So...is it solely the individual's job to provide health insurance, just like car insurance? Which...is exactly what Obamacare did, make each individual provide their own?? Oh wait, thats communism.

    So...whats the answer?
     
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    The answer is private insurance that works the same as all your other insurance (home, life, and auto).

    You buy it from any company in the country, and you select what options you want. And your policy doesn't expire when you quit or lose your job. You can keep the same policy for as long as you wish, and earn the same discounts you get with your other types of insurance.

    Employer-sponsored health care needs to go. It bends the cost curve up, and it is a huge tax expenditure. It is a gigantic obstacle toward fixing our national health care system.

    With most people buying their own insurance in a truly competitive market, we should see a great reduction in health insurance costs.



    In addition, we should raise the Medicare eligibility age to 70, or at least index it to 6 percent of the population. We should be supporting the same percentage of the population as when Social Security was first created, not allowing the burden to creep up to more than double that amount as is now the case.

    This reform would free up trillions of dollars of obligations which could then be used for assistance to people with catastrophic illnesses.

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    Bullshit.

    A house is a choice. People do not need to own a house.
    An auto is a choice. People do not need to own an auto.
    Life insurance is a choice. People do not NEED life insurance.

    Everyone who is born will need health care. It's not a choice. I bet you were born in a hospital, correct? And I bet you will die in a hospital, a hospice or at home with in-home medical care.
    So therefore, you fucking idiot, no one, no corporation should PROFIT from a human being who has a 100% certainty of needing medical care in their lifetime. Got it?
    Every other civilized country in this world gets what escapes you and your ignorant thinking.
     
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    :lol:

    Wow. The far left comes screaming in for a crash landing!

    You want free healthcare. You don't want to pay your own way. You don't want a financial penalty for abusing your body and not staying in good shape. Nice. What a leech on society you are.



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    Should have been part of the Bill of Rights.
     
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    You probably believe that was an oversight and not on purpose.

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    The provider of the insurance is irrelevant as long as it pays off. The important question is what is insurance buying? In our case it is buying a workforce who will put up with some pretty harsh treatment to keep coverage.
     
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    Nope. But thank you for giving us the brain-wash bullshit inside your head that Fox Noise and the far right gave you.

    Insurance companies LOVE idiots like you. And they pay lobbyists inside the Beltway handsomely to keep idiots like you under control.

    Here's your great American health care system, honey, in world rankings. We're 38th because of morons like yourself:

    Rank Expenditure per Capita

    1 France France 4
    2 Italy Italy 11
    3 San Marino San Marino 21
    4 Andorra 23
    5 Malta 37
    6 Singapore Singapore 37
    7 Spain Spain 24
    8 Oman Oman 62
    9 Austria 6
    10 Japan Japan 13
    11 Norway 16
    12 Portugal Portugal 27
    13 Monaco 12
    14 Greece 30
    15 Iceland Iceland 14
    16 Luxembourg 5
    17 Netherlands Netherlands 9
    18 United Kingdom United Kingdom 26
    19 Republic of Ireland Ireland 25
    20 Switzerland Switzerland 2
    21 Belgium 15
    22 Colombia Colombia 49
    23 Sweden Sweden 7
    24 Cyprus Cyprus 39
    25 Germany Germany 3
    26 Saudi Arabia Saudi Arabia 63
    27 United Arab Emirates United Arab Emirates 35
    28 Israel Israel 19
    29 Morocco Morocco 99
    30 Canada Canada 10
    31 Finland Finland 18
    32 Australia Australia 17
    33 Chile 44
    34 Argentina Argentina 15
    35 Denmark 8
    36 Dominica 70
    37 Costa Rica Costa Rica 50
    38 United States United States 1
     
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    Stop worrying about insurance and start worrying about actual health care.

    The two are different you know.

    I'll put forth the idea that we would be better off without health insurance that way we could apply direct market forces to the cost of health care. If that is done, we would see health care operate like any other free market and there would be affordable options and more choice.

    For example, why does a doctor have to order blood work for you? Why can't you shop around for the best price from a lab and get your own blood test done then you could shop around to find a doctor with reasonable rates to interpret the results for you.

    The same would be true for any other medical service from MRIs to routine surgery.

    More choice is always the best option. Insurance has corrupted health care.
     
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    How many medical schools were open and training doctors in 1776/1789?
    How many doctors did we have in this country in 1776/1789?
    What kind of medical care and hospitals did we have in 1776/1789?
    I think you need to understand American history in order to understand why health care was not part of the Constitution or the Bill of Rights.
    Doctors didn't need to get a license to practice. There was no health care system to speak of, you total idiot.
     

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