Who should own and control the means of production?

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    One of the central questions of any political ideology is "Who should own and control the means the production?" (Means of production refers to factories, farmlands, machinery, office space, etc.) Generally there have been three approaches to this issue.

    1.The first was aristocracy, in which a ruling elite owned the land and productive wealth, and peasants and serfs had to obey their orders in return for their livelihood.

    2.The second is capitalism, which disbanded the ruling elite and allows a much broader range of private individuals to own the means of production. However, this ownership is limited to those who can afford to buy productive wealth; nearly all workers are excluded.

    3.The third approach is socialism, which is defined as "the collective ownership and control of the means of production." That is, everyone owns and controls productive wealth, which is accomplished through the vote.

    As you can see, there is a spectrum here, ranging from a few people owning productive wealth at one end, to everyone owning it at the other.
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    I believe we are currently between 2 & 3 as we add more regulations, etc. to those that own & control production, due to flaws in Capitalism.
     
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    The people who own the property used.
     
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    So you would opt for #1.

    1.The first was aristocracy, in which a ruling elite owned the land and productive wealth, and peasants and serfs had to obey their orders in return for their livelihood.

    The problem is when #2 has no restrictions from the people, they become corrupt and wish to revert back to #1. That is where you find Corporations wishing to go, to have compelete control over their domain.
     
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    And who exactly are you to take someone elses property?
     
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    ME,

    but of Course! ;)

     
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    oh and your socialist theory doesn't work.
     
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    I am me, who is everyone but the owner of production that I must make a living wage from. He the owner is a known dangerous person who must be owned and controlled from destroying us all. He should only exist as the government where I can control him.
     
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    Where have you seen a successful Socialist program? Never. Capitalism has been the most successful program ever. Problem is everyone wants to be boss and most aren't smart enough. At least with Capitalism if you are smart enough the bosses will make sure you get ahead. You don't have to be some 3rd cousin of the current dictator
     
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    And who the fuck are you?
     
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    You're a sick, little, faggot commie.
     
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