Who Needs Planned Parenthood??

[PoliticalChic]

Well....no one needs government funded slaughter of the unborn.

War does the same...

So an enemy on the battlefield is exactly the same as the innocent unborn?

I can tell that you prefer not to think before posting, and be just as surprised as everyone else when you read it.

Surely a lay person as yourself understand that more than soldiers die in wars...

???


What is your point?

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Well....no one needs government funded slaughter of the unborn.

War does the same...

So an enemy on the battlefield is exactly the same as the innocent unborn?

I can tell that you prefer not to think before posting, and be just as surprised as everyone else when you read it.

Innocents die in war, the real ones, not the unborn.

Clarify:
The unborn slaughtered by you Leftists are not innocent, or are not real????

A fetus is neither innocent nor a person. It is what it is, a potential person.

 

[PoliticalChic]

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
The Declaration of Independence

And what a shame that they didn't actually believe that, not that it matters in the case of that document, which hasn't mattered for a couple of hundred years now.

"....which hasn't mattered for a couple of hundred years now."

I can see why you'd say that:
Karl Marx becomes editor-in-chief of the Rheinische Zeitung. Under his direction the paper’s line becomes increasingly more revolutionary and democratic. Marx’s articles denoted a shift from revolutionary democracy to communist ideas
October 15, 1842

Another cut and paste of yours that has absolutely nothing to do with what was said.

You need help with that?

Sure:
Your idol, Karl Marx didn't believe in the Constitution either.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
The Declaration of Independence

And what a shame that they didn't actually believe that, not that it matters in the case of that document, which hasn't mattered for a couple of hundred years now.

"....which hasn't mattered for a couple of hundred years now."

I can see why you'd say that:
Karl Marx becomes editor-in-chief of the Rheinische Zeitung. Under his direction the paper’s line becomes increasingly more revolutionary and democratic. Marx’s articles denoted a shift from revolutionary democracy to communist ideas
October 15, 1842

Another cut and paste of yours that has absolutely nothing to do with what was said.

You need help with that?

Sure:
Your idol, Karl Marx didn't believe in the Constitution either.

1. The DoI has nothing at all to do with the Constitution.
2. Karl Marx has nothing at all to do with the discussion.
3. Now you may cut and paste your response.

 

[PoliticalChic]

FYI: Doctors say abortions do sometimes save women's lives

"A study published in Guttmacher's International Family Planning Perspectives in 1998 said risk to a woman's health was the main reason for 2.8% of U.S. abortions in 1987-88."

The OP states:
. Well....how about when a pregnant woman's life is endangered? In just 12% of the cases were there 'concerns' for the mother’s health, according to reports. (Ibid.)

The problem here is that there is no objective criterion for "the mother's health." Anyone who can prevail on her doctor to write a note including the word "health" can get in under that clause.
I'm bettin' that the 12% figure is rally more like that of rape or incest.


"...woman's health was the main reason for 2.8%..."

I appreciate you proving me correct.

It doesn't help you in the slightest but let's at least try to get the numbers right.

Great!

So, we agree that 95.7% of all abortions in the US have nothing to do with
a. rape
b. incest
c. a woman's health issue.



Next witness.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Let me support that statement....that convenience alone is the real reason for almost every abortion.


6. The vast majority of abortion performed in the United States are carried out for reasons that can be broadly categorized as “matters of convenience.”

Convenience, as in having your groceries delivered rather than having to walk across the street to pick them up.....this level of effort in deciding to execute the child you've created.



In a study of 27 nations, reasons for abortion services were found to be the following:

a. “Worldwide, the most commonly reported reason women cite for having an abortion is to postpone or stop childbearing. The second most common reason—socioeconomic concerns—includes disruption of education or employment; lack of support from the father; desire to provide schooling for existing children; and poverty, unemployment or inability to afford additional children. In addition, relationship problems with a husband or partner and a woman's perception that she is too young constitute other important categories of reasons.” Reasons Why Women Have Induced Abortions: Evidence from 27 Countries


b. A 2004 study of American women yielded similar results: “The reasons most frequently cited were that having a child would interfere with a woman’s education, work or ability to care for dependents (74%); that she could not afford a baby now (73%); and that she did not want to be a single mother or was having relationship problems (48%). Nearly four in 10 women said they had completed their childbearing, and almost one-third were not ready to have a child. Fewer than 1% said their parents’ or partners’ desire for them to have an abortion was the most important reason. Younger women often reported that they were unprepared for the transition to motherhood, while older women regularly cited their responsibility to dependents.”
http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/psrh/full/3711005.pdf



c. We must reject the view that inconvenience of a mother’s informed choice outweighs the unalienable right to life of the child she bears by virtue of that choice.

 

[Bfgrn]

What does the law say on funding abortions?

Title X does not allow federal funds to be used for abortions. Medicaid, however, does allow government money to be spent on them — in very restricted cases.

The 1977 Hyde Amendment dictated that federal Medicaid funds could only be used to fund abortions in cases of rape, incest or to protect the life of the mother. However, some states have expanded cases in which they will provide funds. Currently, 17 states allow funds to be used for "medically necessary" abortions. In those cases that these states count as medically necessary but that are not permitted by the federal guidelines, states cover the cost alone.

Fact Check: How Does Planned Parenthood Spend That Government Money?

 

[PaintMyHouse]

FYI: Doctors say abortions do sometimes save women's lives

"A study published in Guttmacher's International Family Planning Perspectives in 1998 said risk to a woman's health was the main reason for 2.8% of U.S. abortions in 1987-88."

The OP states:
. Well....how about when a pregnant woman's life is endangered? In just 12% of the cases were there 'concerns' for the mother’s health, according to reports. (Ibid.)

The problem here is that there is no objective criterion for "the mother's health." Anyone who can prevail on her doctor to write a note including the word "health" can get in under that clause.
I'm bettin' that the 12% figure is rally more like that of rape or incest.


"...woman's health was the main reason for 2.8%..."

I appreciate you proving me correct.

It doesn't help you in the slightest but let's at least try to get the numbers right.

Great!

So, we agree that 95.7% of all abortions in the US have nothing to do with
a. rape
b. incest
c. a woman's health issue.



Next witness.

I would not say that I agree, your numbers are never right, but even if 19 of 20 are for non-health reasons, rape and incest don't technically count, that doesn't help you in the slightest. Safe, legal, and rare, but never banned.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Let me support that statement....that convenience alone is the real reason for almost every abortion.

No one has a problem with that fact, nor does it change anything.

 

[NYcarbineer]

No one does.
Well....no one needs government funded slaughter of the unborn.



1. ...it may provide a level of comfort so very important to those without morality, principles, or the proper upbringing....
....what is the element that it provides?
Convenience....
.....The ability to carry on an 'if it feels good, do it' life style with no thought to who is hurt.



2. So...what the motivation for denying it government funding?
The law.

a. "Passed by Congress in 1976, the Hyde Amendment excludes abortion from the comprehensive health care services provided to low-income people by the federal government through Medicaid. "
Public Funding for Abortion


b. "Congress has made some exceptions to the funding ban, which have varied over the years. At present, the federal Medicaid program mandates abortion funding in cases of rape or incest, as well as when a pregnant woman's life is endangered..."
Ibid.





3. Let's deal with the so very overused idea of "cases of rape or incest."
The concept that there are "cases of rape or incest" is a chimera.
They really don't exist.....well, the fact is that 98.5% of abortion don't involve either abhorrent event.
The cases in which abortion is for rape, 1%; and .5% incest. http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/psrh/full/3711005.pdf



4. Well....how about when a pregnant woman's life is endangered? In just 12% of the cases were there 'concerns' for the mother’s health, according to reports. (Ibid.)

The problem here is that there is no objective criterion for "the mother's health." Anyone who can prevail on her doctor to write a note including the word "health" can get in under that clause.
I'm bettin' that the 12% figure is rally more like that of rape or incest.



5. So......what is the reason for extinguishing the life of the incipient human baby in the vast.....vast.....majority of cases?

It is the very element that forms the pillar of Planned Parenthood's raison d'être...convenience.

Liberal governance is all about making it easy to do what one "feels like"....even to the extent of killing an about-to-be human baby.





We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
The Declaration of Independence


Based on the above, from America's founding document, every patriotic American, every conservative, is pro-life.

PP doesn't get federal funds for performing abortions.

And herein we have the sort of lie that you've become famous for.
(Ooops! Ended the sentence with a preposition!!)

The taxpayer money given to Planned Parenthood is fungible....able to replace or be replaced by another identical item; mutually interchangeable.

It can be used for any purpose....including abortions.

And it is used for exactly that.

PP gets more funding from non governmental sources than it does from the federal government. It is not possible for PP to need to tap into federal funds to cover abortion costs.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Let me support that statement....that convenience alone is the real reason for almost every abortion.


.

So what?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Well....no one needs government funded slaughter of the unborn.

War does the same...

So an enemy on the battlefield is exactly the same as the innocent unborn?

I can tell that you prefer not to think before posting, and be just as surprised as everyone else when you read it.

Innocents die in war, the real ones, not the unborn.

Clarify:
The unborn slaughtered by you Leftists are not innocent, or are not real????

You have refused to state for the record that a woman should be treated under the law as a murderer if she has an abortion,

so you don't even believe your own propaganda.

 

[NYcarbineer]

No one does.
Well....no one needs government funded slaughter of the unborn.



1. ...it may provide a level of comfort so very important to those without morality, principles, or the proper upbringing....
....what is the element that it provides?
Convenience....
.....The ability to carry on an 'if it feels good, do it' life style with no thought to who is hurt.



2. So...what the motivation for denying it government funding?
The law.

a. "Passed by Congress in 1976, the Hyde Amendment excludes abortion from the comprehensive health care services provided to low-income people by the federal government through Medicaid. "
Public Funding for Abortion


b. "Congress has made some exceptions to the funding ban, which have varied over the years. At present, the federal Medicaid program mandates abortion funding in cases of rape or incest, as well as when a pregnant woman's life is endangered..."
Ibid.





3. Let's deal with the so very overused idea of "cases of rape or incest."
The concept that there are "cases of rape or incest" is a chimera.
They really don't exist.....well, the fact is that 98.5% of abortion don't involve either abhorrent event.
The cases in which abortion is for rape, 1%; and .5% incest. http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/psrh/full/3711005.pdf



4. Well....how about when a pregnant woman's life is endangered? In just 12% of the cases were there 'concerns' for the mother’s health, according to reports. (Ibid.)

The problem here is that there is no objective criterion for "the mother's health." Anyone who can prevail on her doctor to write a note including the word "health" can get in under that clause.
I'm bettin' that the 12% figure is rally more like that of rape or incest.



5. So......what is the reason for extinguishing the life of the incipient human baby in the vast.....vast.....majority of cases?

It is the very element that forms the pillar of Planned Parenthood's raison d'être...convenience.

Liberal governance is all about making it easy to do what one "feels like"....even to the extent of killing an about-to-be human baby.





We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
The Declaration of Independence


Based on the above, from America's founding document, every patriotic American, every conservative, is pro-life.

PP doesn't get federal funds for performing abortions.

And herein we have the sort of lie that you've become famous for.
(Ooops! Ended the sentence with a preposition!!)

The taxpayer money given to Planned Parenthood is fungible....able to replace or be replaced by another identical item; mutually interchangeable.

It can be used for any purpose....including abortions.

And it is used for exactly that.

So you're admitting that Hobby Lobby's claim that their religion forbid them to fund abortions was a phoney claim,

because they are in fact willing to fund abortions.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Let me support that statement....that convenience alone is the real reason for almost every abortion.


.

So what?

I do so appreciate it when you Liberals/Progressives reveal you true nature...
"We must rid ourselves once and for all of the Quaker-Papist babble about the sanctity of human life."
Leon Trotsky

 

[PoliticalChic]

Let me support that statement....that convenience alone is the real reason for almost every abortion.

No one has a problem with that fact, nor does it change anything.

I do so appreciate it when you Liberals/Progressives reveal you true nature...
"We must rid ourselves once and for all of the Quaker-Papist babble about the sanctity of human life."
Leon Trotsky

 

[Obiwan]

What does the law say on funding abortions?

Title X does not allow federal funds to be used for abortions. Medicaid, however, does allow government money to be spent on them — in very restricted cases.

The 1977 Hyde Amendment dictated that federal Medicaid funds could only be used to fund abortions in cases of rape, incest or to protect the life of the mother. However, some states have expanded cases in which they will provide funds. Currently, 17 states allow funds to be used for "medically necessary" abortions. In those cases that these states count as medically necessary but that are not permitted by the federal guidelines, states cover the cost alone.

Fact Check: How Does Planned Parenthood Spend That Government Money?

Nice graph...

Thank for proving Obozocare is failing, if women have to rely on PP those services..

Otherwise, the funding is a non-issue..

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Let me support that statement....that convenience alone is the real reason for almost every abortion.

No one has a problem with that fact, nor does it change anything.

I do so appreciate it when you Liberals/Progressives reveal you true nature...
"We must rid ourselves once and for all of the Quaker-Papist babble about the sanctity of human life."
Leon Trotsky

There is no Right to Life. Now you know.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Let me support that statement....that convenience alone is the real reason for almost every abortion.

No one has a problem with that fact, nor does it change anything.

I do so appreciate it when you Liberals/Progressives reveal you true nature...
"We must rid ourselves once and for all of the Quaker-Papist babble about the sanctity of human life."
Leon Trotsky

There is no Right to Life. Now you know.

You kinda slipped up there, bro.....admitting that the incipient baby is living.
And abortion destroys a life.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Let me support that statement....that convenience alone is the real reason for almost every abortion.

No one has a problem with that fact, nor does it change anything.

I do so appreciate it when you Liberals/Progressives reveal you true nature...
"We must rid ourselves once and for all of the Quaker-Papist babble about the sanctity of human life."
Leon Trotsky

There is no Right to Life. Now you know.

You kinda slipped up there, bro.....admitting that the incipient baby is living.
And abortion destroys a life.

It destroys a fetus, which is a potential person. That happens day in and day out, without any help from us. Clear?

 

[PoliticalChic]

What does the law say on funding abortions?

Title X does not allow federal funds to be used for abortions. Medicaid, however, does allow government money to be spent on them — in very restricted cases.

The 1977 Hyde Amendment dictated that federal Medicaid funds could only be used to fund abortions in cases of rape, incest or to protect the life of the mother. However, some states have expanded cases in which they will provide funds. Currently, 17 states allow funds to be used for "medically necessary" abortions. In those cases that these states count as medically necessary but that are not permitted by the federal guidelines, states cover the cost alone.

Fact Check: How Does Planned Parenthood Spend That Government Money?

7. Now.....let me support that statement that nobody needs government supported Planned Parenthood.




"Miss Tennessee, 21-year-old Hannah Robison, helped perpetuate the myth that ending federal funding for Planned Parenthood could hurt women’s access to health care.

[She said:]
I don’t think Planned Parenthood funding should be cut off. The $500 million that gets given to Planned Parenthood every single year goes to female care. It goes for scanning for cancer, it goes for mammograms.

And if we don’t give that funding to Planned Parenthood, those women will be out of health care for reproductive causes.


a. First, as the Media Research Center’s NewsBusters noted, Planned Parenthood doesn’t offer mammograms. “Planned Parenthood spokeswoman Liz Clark confirmed … [that] the organization does not provide mammograms at any of its health centers,”reported PolitiFact Georgia in August.


b. Nor is this a recent development. It’s not just beauty pageant contestants who are confused ...: President Barack Obama said in one of the 2012 presidential debates that “millions of women all across the country … rely on Planned Parenthood … for mammograms.”
[Hard to tell when Obama is lying, or simply wrong.]

When FactCheck.org looked into Obama’s claim, it reported that “Planned Parenthood health centers do not offer mammography.”




8. Robison’s claim that “women will be out of health care for reproductive causes” if Planned Parenthood no longer receives taxpayer dollars is also untrue. In fact, as Alliance Defending Freedom has documented, there are 13,540 health care clinics that could help women. (In contrast, Planned Parenthood has 665 clinics.)

If Planned Parenthood’s taxpayer funding is ended, that money will be redirected to health care clinics that serve women.


Furthermore, 72 percent of voters agree that “taxpayer dollars would be better spent directed to the more than 13,000 health centers and hospitals providing comprehensive women’s health care.”


We can make sure women have access to health care without using taxpayer dollars to fund an organization responsible for around one out of every three abortions in the United States. "
What Miss Tenn. Got Wrong About Planned Parenthood, Women’s Health