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This thread is about whos fault this mess is.
The fault lies right in the republicans hands
The fault lies right in the republicans hands
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Do you actaully believe what you've posted? If so you need a reality check or phsychiatric intervention.
Obama campigned on hope and change, ending a period of fear mongering by the previous administration. Then reality smacked him in the face. Our economy crashed, not because he did anything, but because of a series of mistakes made by the Bush Administration.
The New Right doesn't have a plan, the NR has goals which is far different than having a vision. The radical Republicans (RR) want to regain the White House, that and increasing their numbers in the Congress is goal number one. Goal two also has two components - cut taxes and cut regulations; goal three is to privatize social security and medicare.
Goals are not visions, visions require considering the process (the means) and the ends, both intended and otherwise. Critical thinking is employed and input from supporters and detractors need to be considered before a mission is created. Even then events change and require modifications; adjustments made in timelines, personnel and other resources evaluated on a cost-benefit basis and changed when necessary.
The NR has done none of this, they have relied on emotion to motivate them as well as personal ambition - a role played by demagogues since the dawn of civilizaiton.
This thread is about whos fault this mess is.
The fault lies right in the republicans hands
Do you actaully believe what you've posted? If so you need a reality check or phsychiatric intervention.
Obama campigned on hope and change, ending a period of fear mongering by the previous administration. Then reality smacked him in the face. Our economy crashed, not because he did anything, but because of a series of mistakes made by the Bush Administration.
The New Right doesn't have a plan, the NR has goals which is far different than having a vision. The radical Republicans (RR) want to regain the White House, that and increasing their numbers in the Congress is goal number one. Goal two also has two components - cut taxes and cut regulations; goal three is to privatize social security and medicare.
Goals are not visions, visions require considering the process (the means) and the ends, both intended and otherwise. Critical thinking is employed and input from supporters and detractors need to be considered before a mission is created. Even then events change and require modifications; adjustments made in timelines, personnel and other resources evaluated on a cost-benefit basis and changed when necessary.
The NR has done none of this, they have relied on emotion to motivate them as well as personal ambition - a role played by demagogues since the dawn of civilizaiton.
So "Hope and Change" is a "vision?"
What you really mean is that it's an hallucination.
The idea that Nazi Pelosi and Harry Reid engage in any "critical thinking" other than scheming on how to increase spending is too absurd for words.
This thread is about whos fault this mess is.
The fault lies right in the republicans hands
Do you actaully believe what you've posted? If so you need a reality check or phsychiatric intervention.
Obama campigned on hope and change, ending a period of fear mongering by the previous administration. Then reality smacked him in the face. Our economy crashed, not because he did anything, but because of a series of mistakes made by the Bush Administration.
The New Right doesn't have a plan, the NR has goals which is far different than having a vision. The radical Republicans (RR) want to regain the White House, that and increasing their numbers in the Congress is goal number one. Goal two also has two components - cut taxes and cut regulations; goal three is to privatize social security and medicare.
Goals are not visions, visions require considering the process (the means) and the ends, both intended and otherwise. Critical thinking is employed and input from supporters and detractors need to be considered before a mission is created. Even then events change and require modifications; adjustments made in timelines, personnel and other resources evaluated on a cost-benefit basis and changed when necessary.
The NR has done none of this, they have relied on emotion to motivate them as well as personal ambition - a role played by demagogues since the dawn of civilizaiton.
So "Hope and Change" is a "vision?"
What you really mean is that it's an hallucination.
The idea that Nazi Pelosi and Harry Reid engage in any "critical thinking" other than scheming on how to increase spending is too absurd for words.
Do you actaully believe what you've posted? If so you need a reality check or phsychiatric intervention.
Obama campigned on hope and change, ending a period of fear mongering by the previous administration. Then reality smacked him in the face. Our economy crashed, not because he did anything, but because of a series of mistakes made by the Bush Administration.
The New Right doesn't have a plan, the NR has goals which is far different than having a vision. The radical Republicans (RR) want to regain the White House, that and increasing their numbers in the Congress is goal number one. Goal two also has two components - cut taxes and cut regulations; goal three is to privatize social security and medicare.
Goals are not visions, visions require considering the process (the means) and the ends, both intended and otherwise. Critical thinking is employed and input from supporters and detractors need to be considered before a mission is created. Even then events change and require modifications; adjustments made in timelines, personnel and other resources evaluated on a cost-benefit basis and changed when necessary.
The NR has done none of this, they have relied on emotion to motivate them as well as personal ambition - a role played by demagogues since the dawn of civilizaiton.
So "Hope and Change" is a "vision?"
What you really mean is that it's an hallucination.
The idea that Nazi Pelosi and Harry Reid engage in any "critical thinking" other than scheming on how to increase spending is too absurd for words.
I've made my opinion clear, on the instant issue and on your (too) many posts. You're an extreme partisan, obnoxious and seem to be of below average intelligence - certainly you have no social skills.
Why does the debt bill have to have ANYTHING else in it but the debt ceiling?
1) you never answered my question
2) How do we get debt? From spending and bad budgets. What did the cut cap and balance bill do? It tries to control spending and bad budgets. The things in the bill are directly related to the debt ceiling
here, it sounds like you haven't read what the proposal was yet
The Cut, Cap, and Balance Act of 2011
CUT
Cuts total spending by $111 billion in FY 2012. The savings is divided as follows:
Reduce non-security discretionary spending below 2008 levels, which saves $76 billion.
$35 billion cut to non-veterans, non-Medicare, non-Social Security mandatory spending.
Defense budget at President's level.
CAP
Total federal spending is scaled back based on the glide path for the fiscal years below:
2012, 22.5% of GDP.
2013, 21.7% of GDP.
2014, 20.8% of GDP.
2015, 20.2% of GDP.
2016, 20.2% of GDP.
2017, 20.0% of GDP.
2018, 19.7% of GDP.
2019, 19.9% of GDP.
2020, 19.9% of GDP.
2021, 19.9% of GDP.
BALANCE
Requires the passage of a Balanced Budget Amendment before raising the nation's debt limit.
DEBT CEILING INCREASE CONTINGENT ON BBA
Provides for the President's request for a debt ceiling increase if a qualifying Balanced Budget Amendment passes Congress and is sent to the states for ratification.
So "Hope and Change" is a "vision?"
What you really mean is that it's an hallucination.
The idea that Nazi Pelosi and Harry Reid engage in any "critical thinking" other than scheming on how to increase spending is too absurd for words.
I've made my opinion clear, on the instant issue and on your (too) many posts. You're an extreme partisan, obnoxious and seem to be of below average intelligence - certainly you have no social skills.
The right actually DOES have a plan, this is the 2nd plan actually.
Why does the debt bill have to have ANYTHING else in it but the debt ceiling?
1) you never answered my question
2) How do we get debt? From spending and bad budgets. What did the cut cap and balance bill do? It tries to control spending and bad budgets. The things in the bill are directly related to the debt ceiling
here, it sounds like you haven't read what the proposal was yet
The Cut, Cap, and Balance Act of 2011
CUT
Cuts total spending by $111 billion in FY 2012. The savings is divided as follows:
•Reduce non-security discretionary spending below 2008 levels, which saves $76 billion.
•$35 billion cut to non-veterans, non-Medicare, non-Social Security mandatory spending.
•Defense budget at President's level.
CAP
Total federal spending is scaled back based on the glide path for the fiscal years below:
•2012, 22.5% of GDP.
•2013, 21.7% of GDP.
•2014, 20.8% of GDP.
•2015, 20.2% of GDP.
•2016, 20.2% of GDP.
•2017, 20.0% of GDP.
•2018, 19.7% of GDP.
•2019, 19.9% of GDP.
•2020, 19.9% of GDP.
•2021, 19.9% of GDP.
BALANCE
Requires the passage of a Balanced Budget Amendment before raising the nation's debt limit.
DEBT CEILING INCREASE CONTINGENT ON BBA
Provides for the President's request for a debt ceiling increase if a qualifying Balanced Budget Amendment passes Congress and is sent to the states for ratification.
I've made my opinion clear, on the instant issue and on your (too) many posts. You're an extreme partisan, obnoxious and seem to be of below average intelligence - certainly you have no social skills.
The right actually DOES have a plan, this is the 2nd plan actually.
1) you never answered my question
2) How do we get debt? From spending and bad budgets. What did the cut cap and balance bill do? It tries to control spending and bad budgets. The things in the bill are directly related to the debt ceiling
here, it sounds like you haven't read what the proposal was yet
The Cut, Cap, and Balance Act of 2011
CUT
Cuts total spending by $111 billion in FY 2012. The savings is divided as follows:
Reduce non-security discretionary spending below 2008 levels, which saves $76 billion.
$35 billion cut to non-veterans, non-Medicare, non-Social Security mandatory spending.
Defense budget at President's level.
CAP
Total federal spending is scaled back based on the glide path for the fiscal years below:
2012, 22.5% of GDP.
2013, 21.7% of GDP.
2014, 20.8% of GDP.
2015, 20.2% of GDP.
2016, 20.2% of GDP.
2017, 20.0% of GDP.
2018, 19.7% of GDP.
2019, 19.9% of GDP.
2020, 19.9% of GDP.
2021, 19.9% of GDP.
BALANCE
Requires the passage of a Balanced Budget Amendment before raising the nation's debt limit.
DEBT CEILING INCREASE CONTINGENT ON BBA
Provides for the President's request for a debt ceiling increase if a qualifying Balanced Budget Amendment passes Congress and is sent to the states for ratification.
I disagree with your assertion, "The right actually DOES have a plan, this is the 2nd plan actually." The House offered a bill, not a plan, for it had zero possibility of passing the Senate and being signed by the president.
The radical Republicans do have a plan, the plan is to do nothing and risk default, hoping to pin the blame on the Democrats and the President. It is a classic example of the end justifies the means. However, I doubt the radicals understand they will lose the debate in the court of public opinion.
the dems are starting to doubt there own policy!!!they are letting the house repubs try to straighten out there mess!!!if the repubs plan helps the dems will claim responsibility for it's success.OBAMA IS AN IDIOT WITHOUT HIS TELEPROMPTER!!!I"LL BET HE WILL NOT DEBATE THE REPUBLICAN NOMINEE FOR PRESIDENT!!!I"D LOVE TO SEE RICK PERRY TAKE HIS STUPID ASS TO SCHOOL!!!!LIBS YOUR TIME IS ALMOST OVER!!!Obama simply doesn't have negoiation skills. Take a look back to Obamacare. He wanted to negoiate then too. It was come to the table and then a predictable pattern of a concilliatory statement followed by attacking and withdrawal. He only did this when he was in a position of weakness.
Negoiation seems to mean, caving to his position. Any negoiation should grow out of a plan, which Obama also doesn't have. When has he? It is all campaign style speeches. Predictablly, he appeals to the American people, who he quickly labels as uninformed of the issues.
I've made my opinion clear, on the instant issue and on your (too) many posts. You're an extreme partisan, obnoxious and seem to be of below average intelligence - certainly you have no social skills.
The right actually DOES have a plan, this is the 2nd plan actually.
1) you never answered my question
2) How do we get debt? From spending and bad budgets. What did the cut cap and balance bill do? It tries to control spending and bad budgets. The things in the bill are directly related to the debt ceiling
here, it sounds like you haven't read what the proposal was yet
The Cut, Cap, and Balance Act of 2011
CUT
Cuts total spending by $111 billion in FY 2012. The savings is divided as follows:
Reduce non-security discretionary spending below 2008 levels, which saves $76 billion.
$35 billion cut to non-veterans, non-Medicare, non-Social Security mandatory spending.
Defense budget at President's level.
CAP
Total federal spending is scaled back based on the glide path for the fiscal years below:
2012, 22.5% of GDP.
2013, 21.7% of GDP.
2014, 20.8% of GDP.
2015, 20.2% of GDP.
2016, 20.2% of GDP.
2017, 20.0% of GDP.
2018, 19.7% of GDP.
2019, 19.9% of GDP.
2020, 19.9% of GDP.
2021, 19.9% of GDP.
BALANCE
Requires the passage of a Balanced Budget Amendment before raising the nation's debt limit.
DEBT CEILING INCREASE CONTINGENT ON BBA
Provides for the President's request for a debt ceiling increase if a qualifying Balanced Budget Amendment passes Congress and is sent to the states for ratification.
I disagree with your assertion, "The right actually DOES have a plan, this is the 2nd plan actually." The House offered a bill, not a plan, for it had zero possibility of passing the Senate and being signed by the president.
The radical Republicans do have a plan, the plan is to do nothing and risk default, hoping to pin the blame on the Democrats and the President. It is a classic example of the end justifies the means. However, I doubt the radicals understand they will lose the debate in the court of public opinion.