Who is responsible for YOU?

[driveby]

At least Ed Schultz is taking conservative callers.

And no, before Bushanomics, only a small number of people ever needed to be bailed out. You act like Americans caused this crisis. Sorry they lost their jobs and can't find new jobs that pay enough. Lucky for you it hasn't happened to you.

And thank god we live in a society where we realize that we are all in this together.

And the only people that benefitted from the last 8 years are the rich powerful corporations. And they got bailed out, even though they caused this mess.

So if anyone should get bailed out, it is the homeowners who were set up by predatory lending allowed because of deregulations. And caused by jobs going overseas. And caused by lowering the value of labor by hiring illegals. Are you starting to see how it is all connected? Can I give you a I TOLD YOU SO?

Sorry you were responsible, put 20% down, paid every payment, etc. Sorry you were responsible. But this homeowner plan will help you too. It will stop your home value from going down any further.

And did you read my UBS story? Where thousands of rich Americans are avoiding American taxes by putting their money in Switzerland? No wonder we can't pay our bills.

You had some validity in this post that got lost in the rhetoric. I hate the term "predatory lending". There are assholes in every aspect of life that try to take advantage of you. You just have to know when they're trying to do so. I've been through the home buying process four times, every time they "pre-qualify" me for a higher amount than i could really afford. Yet i refrained from going for that higher amount and stayed within my means. The asshole loan officers don't care if you can afford it or not, they just want you to take the larger loan for THEIR benefit.

As far as the rich not paying taxes, i'm 100% with you there. What burns me up an extra degree is that hypocrite dems, whose whole philosophy is they want us to pay higher taxes are some of the biggest offenders.

Should hypocritical politicians smear the points? How many dick sucking conservatives have we ever seen preach about morals? I assure you, hypocrite dems are no quicker to take advantage of tax loopholes than republicans.

Easy there Francis, dick sucking repubs AND dems are guilty of it. The point was that dems typically preach higher taxes, not repubs. Repubs are hypocrites when it comes to personal morals, no doubt. Point is, a repub with his "morals" gets caught with a $20 hooker, who does that hurt ? Himself and his family, that's about it. Dems hypocrisy is to take more of my money ( higher taxes ) but don't wanna follow the same guidelines themselves. You're a true kool aid drinker though, so i'm not gonna convince you no matter what i say.

Last warning before i sick DavidS on you !

 

[driveby]

At least Ed Schultz is taking conservative callers.

And no, before Bushanomics, only a small number of people ever needed to be bailed out. You act like Americans caused this crisis. Sorry they lost their jobs and can't find new jobs that pay enough. Lucky for you it hasn't happened to you.

And thank god we live in a society where we realize that we are all in this together.

And the only people that benefitted from the last 8 years are the rich powerful corporations. And they got bailed out, even though they caused this mess.

So if anyone should get bailed out, it is the homeowners who were set up by predatory lending allowed because of deregulations. And caused by jobs going overseas. And caused by lowering the value of labor by hiring illegals. Are you starting to see how it is all connected? Can I give you a I TOLD YOU SO?

Sorry you were responsible, put 20% down, paid every payment, etc. Sorry you were responsible. But this homeowner plan will help you too. It will stop your home value from going down any further.

And did you read my UBS story? Where thousands of rich Americans are avoiding American taxes by putting their money in Switzerland? No wonder we can't pay our bills.

You had some validity in this post that got lost in the rhetoric. I hate the term "predatory lending". There are assholes in every aspect of life that try to take advantage of you. You just have to know when they're trying to do so. I've been through the home buying process four times, every time they "pre-qualify" me for a higher amount than i could really afford. Yet i refrained from going for that higher amount and stayed within my means. The asshole loan officers don't care if you can afford it or not, they just want you to take the larger loan for THEIR benefit.

As far as the rich not paying taxes, i'm 100% with you there. What burns me up an extra degree is that hypocrite dems, whose whole philosophy is they want us to pay higher taxes are some of the biggest offenders.

I doubt that. I heard that the richest 20 families in America have paid the politicians millions of dollars trying to get the death tax done away with.

I don't think you understand how big Bush's tax breaks are to the top 1%. Every year they get bigger and bigger.

What'd Daschel owe, $100K? What did that other person owe, $1000? Wow! BFD.

And remember, it is the Federal Reserve/IRS/Banks that want the GOP to win, so amazing how quickly the so called Liberal Media was in finding out that these democrats owed some back taxes.

Imagine if they would tell on guys like Ted Stevens, Jon Boehner, John McCain, Jeb Bush, Rove, Chaney....

PS. Speaking of Chaney, did you know Haloburton moved their HQ to Dubai?

Some of the worse things that happen in Washington are actually legal.

Those are thing you hear in the news, i'm talking about the shit you'll never hear about, Ted Kennedy, Nancy Pelosi, Michael Moore, etc.... You'll never hear half the hypocritical shit about them.

I don't agree with your politics at all, but you're a UFC fan, so you can't be all bad....

 

[Shogun]

well, I guess your question regarding what hurts who could be asked to the millions of fags in the US who want nothing more than to get married... Indeed, just think of all the economic potential of ADDING to the wedding industry.. But, hey, you said that dick sucking moral hypocrites only affect themselves so that must be true.

 

[sealybobo]

You had some validity in this post that got lost in the rhetoric. I hate the term "predatory lending". There are assholes in every aspect of life that try to take advantage of you. You just have to know when they're trying to do so. I've been through the home buying process four times, every time they "pre-qualify" me for a higher amount than i could really afford. Yet i refrained from going for that higher amount and stayed within my means. The asshole loan officers don't care if you can afford it or not, they just want you to take the larger loan for THEIR benefit.

As far as the rich not paying taxes, i'm 100% with you there. What burns me up an extra degree is that hypocrite dems, whose whole philosophy is they want us to pay higher taxes are some of the biggest offenders.

Should hypocritical politicians smear the points? How many dick sucking conservatives have we ever seen preach about morals? I assure you, hypocrite dems are no quicker to take advantage of tax loopholes than republicans.

Easy there Francis, dick sucking repubs AND dems are guilty of it. The point was that dems typically preach higher taxes, not repubs. Repubs are hypocrites when it comes to personal morals, no doubt. Point is, a repub with his "morals" gets caught with a $20 hooker, who does that hurt ? Himself and his family, that's about it. Dems hypocrisy is to take more of my money ( higher taxes ) but don't wanna follow the same guidlines themselves. You're a true kool aid drinker though, so i'm not gonna convince you no matter what i say.

Last warning before i sick DavidS on you !

What a joke. Who do you think has to pay for the money Tom Delay and GW spent over the last 8 years?

Republicans spent more than the Dems ever did. That's a fact. Ok, so you haven't gotten the bill yet. So what? Are you so stupid to not realize that you still owe for what they spent?

And yet you voted for them?

Dems spending will do more for the economy than GOP spending did. It didn't trickle down. I showed you where Bushs' tax fucking breaks went. Look to UBS Switzerland banks.

Even if all Obama's spending goes to the poorest americans and it's in the form of welfare, at least that money will be spent in America.

Not Iraq, and not Switzerland, or the Grand Caymen Island, etc.

Wake up slaves. House slaves.!!!!

 

[sealybobo]

You had some validity in this post that got lost in the rhetoric. I hate the term "predatory lending". There are assholes in every aspect of life that try to take advantage of you. You just have to know when they're trying to do so. I've been through the home buying process four times, every time they "pre-qualify" me for a higher amount than i could really afford. Yet i refrained from going for that higher amount and stayed within my means. The asshole loan officers don't care if you can afford it or not, they just want you to take the larger loan for THEIR benefit.

As far as the rich not paying taxes, i'm 100% with you there. What burns me up an extra degree is that hypocrite dems, whose whole philosophy is they want us to pay higher taxes are some of the biggest offenders.

I doubt that. I heard that the richest 20 families in America have paid the politicians millions of dollars trying to get the death tax done away with.

I don't think you understand how big Bush's tax breaks are to the top 1%. Every year they get bigger and bigger.

What'd Daschel owe, $100K? What did that other person owe, $1000? Wow! BFD.

And remember, it is the Federal Reserve/IRS/Banks that want the GOP to win, so amazing how quickly the so called Liberal Media was in finding out that these democrats owed some back taxes.

Imagine if they would tell on guys like Ted Stevens, Jon Boehner, John McCain, Jeb Bush, Rove, Chaney....

PS. Speaking of Chaney, did you know Haloburton moved their HQ to Dubai?

Some of the worse things that happen in Washington are actually legal.

Those are thing you hear in the news, i'm talking about the shit you'll never hear about, Ted Kennedy, Nancy Pelosi, Michael Moore, etc.... You'll never hear half the hypocritical shit about them.

I don't agree with your politics at all, but you're a UFC fan, so you can't be all bad....

Yea, I hear it in the liberal news. Funny how I don't hear the best news on stations you guys call "liberal medias".

I can tell you that you have been scared/fooled into thinking Al Franken & Barnie Frank and Michael Moore are what's wrong with America, when the facts say it is actually Bush and Delay and Abramoff and Stevens and the GOP. Not Pelosi & Reed. Give them a chance.

Not saying the Dems are perfect, but seriously, after the last 8 years, you need to jump off the GOP bandwaggon for a bit. Stretch your legs. See if maybe there is a better way.

And most importantly, stop listening to the corporate media.

 

[driveby]

well, I guess your question regarding what hurts who could be asked to the millions of fags in the US who want nothing more than to get married... Indeed, just think of all the economic potential of ADDING to the wedding industry.. But, hey, you said that dick sucking moral hypocrites only affect themselves so that must be true.

Right, that's exaclty what i said......

 

[Care4all]

Well, since I am responsible FOR ME, then businesses and corporations and oil companies and banks and financial institutions should be RESPONSIBLE for themselves as well, and not lobby the crap out of congress to change or create laws, or beg for tax dollars, that puts them at an advantage over another industry or "WE THE PEOPLE''....

 

[driveby]

I doubt that. I heard that the richest 20 families in America have paid the politicians millions of dollars trying to get the death tax done away with.

I don't think you understand how big Bush's tax breaks are to the top 1%. Every year they get bigger and bigger.

What'd Daschel owe, $100K? What did that other person owe, $1000? Wow! BFD.

And remember, it is the Federal Reserve/IRS/Banks that want the GOP to win, so amazing how quickly the so called Liberal Media was in finding out that these democrats owed some back taxes.

Imagine if they would tell on guys like Ted Stevens, Jon Boehner, John McCain, Jeb Bush, Rove, Chaney....

PS. Speaking of Chaney, did you know Haloburton moved their HQ to Dubai?

Some of the worse things that happen in Washington are actually legal.

Those are thing you hear in the news, i'm talking about the shit you'll never hear about, Ted Kennedy, Nancy Pelosi, Michael Moore, etc.... You'll never hear half the hypocritical shit about them.

I don't agree with your politics at all, but you're a UFC fan, so you can't be all bad....

Yea, I hear it in the liberal news. Funny how I don't hear the best news on stations you guys call "liberal medias".

I can tell you that you have been scared/fooled into thinking Al Franken & Barnie Frank and Michael Moore are what's wrong with America, when the facts say it is actually Bush and Delay and Abramoff and Stevens and the GOP. Not Pelosi & Reed. Give them a chance.

Not saying the Dems are perfect, but seriously, after the last 8 years, you need to jump off the GOP bandwaggon for a bit. Stretch your legs. See if maybe there is a better way.

And most importantly, stop listening to the corporate media.

I listen to corporate media way too much, sure, that's my problem. Give Pelosi and Reid a chance ? WOW, did you seriously just say that ? I could have put a temp girl with a bad attitude in their positions for the last 2 years and more would have gotten accomplished.

 

[Bern80]

uh, benefit the nation as an ecomomic system? HELLO. BERN, ARE YOU IN THERE?

And the fact that we have the most prosperous nation in the world is somehow calling that into doubt for you?

COMPARED TO FUCKING NIGERIA, BERN? We didn't get to that point by outsourcing fucking labor to china. The Greatest Generation, BERN, wasn't a fucking bunch of wal mart checkout wage slaves.


oh gosh, you really outdo yourself sometimes.

No they were the product of a war.

 

[Shogun]

well, I guess your question regarding what hurts who could be asked to the millions of fags in the US who want nothing more than to get married... Indeed, just think of all the economic potential of ADDING to the wedding industry.. But, hey, you said that dick sucking moral hypocrites only affect themselves so that must be true.

Right, that's exaclty what i said......

You asserted that dick sucking republicans don' hurt anyone else by their actions while hypocrite dems do. This really is not as deep as you think it is. If you don't like it when people point out the flaws of your position then perhaps you should reconsider your position.

 

[Shogun]

And the fact that we have the most prosperous nation in the world is somehow calling that into doubt for you?

COMPARED TO FUCKING NIGERIA, BERN? We didn't get to that point by outsourcing fucking labor to china. The Greatest Generation, BERN, wasn't a fucking bunch of wal mart checkout wage slaves.


oh gosh, you really outdo yourself sometimes.

No they were the product of a war.

A WAR WHOSE PRODUCTION WAS NOT OUTSOURCED TO A FUCKING GHETTO VILLAGE IN CHINA, BERN.


check mate.

 

[driveby]

well, I guess your question regarding what hurts who could be asked to the millions of fags in the US who want nothing more than to get married... Indeed, just think of all the economic potential of ADDING to the wedding industry.. But, hey, you said that dick sucking moral hypocrites only affect themselves so that must be true.

Right, that's exaclty what i said......

You asserted that dick sucking republicans don' hurt anyone else by their actions while hypocrite dems do. This really is not as deep as you think it is. If you don't like it when people point out the flaws of your position then perhaps you should reconsider your position.

I stand by my position as I stated it, not the way you stated it .....

 

[American Horse]

Care4all - Well, since I am responsible FOR ME, then businesses and corporations and oil companies and banks and financial institutions should be RESPONSIBLE for themselves as well, and not lobby the crap out of congress to change or create laws, or beg for tax dollars, that puts them at an advantage over another industry or "WE THE PEOPLE''....

Oil Companies? Elucidate....?

 

[Shogun]

Right, that's exaclty what i said......

You asserted that dick sucking republicans don' hurt anyone else by their actions while hypocrite dems do. This really is not as deep as you think it is. If you don't like it when people point out the flaws of your position then perhaps you should reconsider your position.

I stand by my position as I stated it, not the way you stated it .....

of course you do. Now, don't let your elbow get tired. There is some more turd to polish.

 

[driveby]

You asserted that dick sucking republicans don' hurt anyone else by their actions while hypocrite dems do. This really is not as deep as you think it is. If you don't like it when people point out the flaws of your position then perhaps you should reconsider your position.

I stand by my position as I stated it, not the way you stated it .....

of course you do. Now, don't let your elbow get tired. There is some more turd to polish.

That knife cuts both ways homez.......

 

[Shogun]

Not really. Hell, I'm a BIG fan of supporting my assertions with evidence. Ask Bern all about that.

 

[driveby]

Not really. Hell, I'm a BIG fan of supporting my assertions with evidence. Ask Bern all about that.

A lot of people are BIG on their own versions and opinions on things.

Your assertion is that repubs are turds and dems are sooper, that's neat .....

 

[WillowTree]

Don't bother KMAN. I've asked a similar question at least a half dozen time in other threads. I have yet to get an answer. I worded it slightly different. Many of the lefties here have made it all to clear what they are NOT responsible for. So instead of making excuses why don't some of you lefties (maybe ed, since I asked you specifically and you didn't answer) tell us what you feel you ARE responsible for at an individual level.

I just don't understand it... I would be embarrassed to know that I couldn't take care of myself and needed someone elses help... Where is their pride?

that's why you are not a libral!

 

[sealybobo]

Care4all - Well, since I am responsible FOR ME, then businesses and corporations and oil companies and banks and financial institutions should be RESPONSIBLE for themselves as well, and not lobby the crap out of congress to change or create laws, or beg for tax dollars, that puts them at an advantage over another industry or "WE THE PEOPLE''....

Oil Companies? Elucidate....?

I don't get why you guys don't get what Care4all or the other progressives are saying. Ok, so I'm too argumentative, or ramble too much, or I'm too much of a conspiracy theorist, or I make no sense, or no one takes me seriously,

But then I see someone say it very calm and rationally and still you guys don't get it.

So then I get the feeling that no matter how we put it or how many facts we present, you will choose to ignore all the evidence and choose to believe truth based on your conservative reality.

And you guys are big time projectors. I've heard conservatives say recently that liberal ideas only work in a perfect world.

Thats funny, because we are the ones presenting reality, and you guys are the ones who are fantasizing.

Perfect example. You cry about free markets, and in the same breath admit that there is no such thing, because government will allways set the rules of the game. So you guys are talking about a fantasy world. And you call us socialists when the fact is, you know that this country has some socialist aspects to it, regardless of which party is in control.

So then the argument is, are we too socialist or too free market. Well i say all the degegulations and GOP laws passed made us too much of a free market system. You may suggest that we didn't go free market enough, but then again, we gave you 8 years. How much longer was it going to take?

 

[sealybobo]

Don't bother KMAN. I've asked a similar question at least a half dozen time in other threads. I have yet to get an answer. I worded it slightly different. Many of the lefties here have made it all to clear what they are NOT responsible for. So instead of making excuses why don't some of you lefties (maybe ed, since I asked you specifically and you didn't answer) tell us what you feel you ARE responsible for at an individual level.

I just don't understand it... I would be embarrassed to know that I couldn't take care of myself and needed someone elses help... Where is their pride?

that's why you are not a libral!

Then you must be the biggest liberal of them all because you sit home while your husband takes care of you.

And without him or his income, you could not live the lifestyle you have now.

So he's talking about you!!! LOL.