Who Here Stands With Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez?

[Weatherman2020]

The city. Could be the county in rural areas.

City and county governments, right? Is that what you’re talking about?

Yes.

Ok good so we can get rid of you’re earlier statement that said government can’t orobide education. Government is essential to providing education. Now we can discuss how that system operates and how it can be improved. I happen to agree that the federal government should back off and give more control to local governments.

Btw. States and local governments do run the schools. The feds are involved with funding support and regulations but they don’t run the schools.

Well, ultimately the Federal Government does run education because of their regulations. I also want the Teacher Unions dissolved. In fact, I don’t want any unions in teaching or government at any level.

States with union teachers perform better than those without

Unions ensure better pay and benefits. You get what you pay for

States with union teachers perform better than those without

 

[danielpalos]

we really just need a fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage, unemployment compensation for being unemployed on an at-will basis in our at-will employment States, and giga-recycling factories to help with social costs.

 

[Weatherman2020]

we really just need a fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage, unemployment compensation for being unemployed on an at-will basis in our at-will employment States, and giga-recycling factories to help with social costs.

How many years until you leave college? 15? 25?

 

[francoHFW]

Who’s got both courage and insanity to stand by her side?

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You dupes can't handle arguing facts and reality, so your brainwash from billionaires goes with idiotic character assassination as always... So why are we the only developed country and the richest country in the world, the only developed country without a living wage Healthcare daycare paid parental leave cheap college and training good infrastructure Fair taxes on the rich etc etc? Thanks scumbag GOP and silly dupes
... Also national ID card to end illegal immigration. It's pretty obvious the GOP Loves the cheap easily bullied labor, stupid.

You dupes can't handle arguing facts and reality,

Is that why she’s a coward to debate Shapiro?

No that's just typical..
Republican has no chance.

 

[tycho1572]

Who’s got both courage and insanity to stand by her side?

View attachment 209811

You dupes can't handle arguing facts and reality, so your brainwash from billionaires goes with idiotic character assassination as always... So why are we the only developed country and the richest country in the world, the only developed country without a living wage Healthcare daycare paid parental leave cheap college and training good infrastructure Fair taxes on the rich etc etc? Thanks scumbag GOP and silly dupes
... Also national ID card to end illegal immigration. It's pretty obvious the GOP Loves the cheap easily bullied labor, stupid.

You dupes can't handle arguing facts and reality,

Is that why she’s a coward to debate Shapiro?

No that's just typical..
Republican has no chance.

Like Trump didn’t have a chance?

You idiots never learn.

 

[francoHFW]

Who’s got both courage and insanity to stand by her side?

View attachment 209811

You dupes can't handle arguing facts and reality, so your brainwash from billionaires goes with idiotic character assassination as always... So why are we the only developed country and the richest country in the world, the only developed country without a living wage Healthcare daycare paid parental leave cheap college and training good infrastructure Fair taxes on the rich etc etc? Thanks scumbag GOP and silly dupes
... Also national ID card to end illegal immigration. It's pretty obvious the GOP Loves the cheap easily bullied labor, stupid.

You dupes can't handle arguing facts and reality,

Is that why she’s a coward to debate Shapiro?

No that's just typical..
Republican has no chance.

Like Trump didn’t have a chance?

You idiots never learn.

No.

 

[jc456]

How does it create more demand? This should be good.

Higher paid labor pays more in taxes and creates more in demand.

The poor tend to spend most of their discretionary income.

That is the stupidest post ever. What demand have they made. Nothing changes. What 5th grade economic book are you reading? You can’t equate taxes to demand of goods. Your analogy doesn’t follow through. They spend more of their income because their income is low. As their income increase the amount as a percentage of their income that is spent goes down. Jesus! Get some help.

Christ, I need to take my own advice. I can’t do this with a myopic neophyte like you.

People spending wages from fifteen dollars an hour and people receiving unemployment compensation for simply being unemployed; Must create some Demand in Any economy.

That’s where you’re wrong. But go figure, it’s you

nope; i am right even though i am on the left; and, you are wrong, even though you are on the right.

there is a difference, right wingers.

Where do you think the money comes from? Why would anyone work? Why would someone working continue when someone getting the same pay is not? Dude, I already told you, your idea runs out of funding and no one working. Wow, great solution

 

[jc456]

danielpalos

You're entire theory essentially relies on a belief that "greed" only exists in "capitalist's" (the rich, wealthy, business peeps, etc) That is patently false. You can huff and puff about being "more moral" by "providing" a "good life" for every American (or human) all you want, but the reality is that people, in general, are proven to be both lazy and greedy and will take the easiest path 99% of the time. You cannot support a nation on these principles because the tax money dries up real fast when no one bothers to work.

EDIT: You can actually see the above principle in action when it comes to our public education - For example, it's not that our K-12 schools are not free and available; it's that the students drop out or fail to apply themselves to the "goal" of graduation. It's also not necessarily that the "education sucks" either, when's the last time any employer has asked any new hire about basic HS knowledge? Employers just want to see the piece of paper, the diploma, that say's Hey this kid was dedicated to graduating and put in the effort. The actual information learned in school, even college, is 90% quasi useless bullshit and 10% actual usable on the job information. They want to see proof of effort.

You are basically talking about a "Star Trek" fantasy economy, problem is we can't just replicate everything everyone needs for free. Every bit of what you want [that "quality of life"] costs money; money that won't magically appear simply because you want to do the "moral thing" for folks. EVEN if you completely got rid of the "trading money for labor" model we use, (aka straight up communism where the gov controls all jobs and shit) the gov would /still/ have to pay for many products and a foreign government which produces them (while American's sit on their asses) isn't going to accept your "moral currency" in trade - further that is an idea that 100% turns every citizen of the country into a slave of the government...


Start with this decent primer that goes fairly in depth about why supply side economics has made America one of the wealthiest nations on the planet, also touches upon how capitalism has massively reduced global poverty, which is a real and proven "morally good" argument.

we really just need a fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage, unemployment compensation for being unemployed on an at-will basis in our at-will employment States, and giga-recycling factories to help with social costs.

You mean a never ending circle of increased cost of living. If you increase min wage, businesses raise prices, then the folks at the bottom making min wage can't afford the "current" cost of living - requiring another increase in minimum wage. Rinse and repeat.

No, I mean more automatic stabilization of the markets in our economy.

The goal of automatic stabilization is to typically to increase employment and higher productivity (and thus higher gov revenue through taxes) We are, right now, at one of the lowest unemployment rates seen in the nation so there is /zero/ point to automatic stabilization.

The purpose and use of such policy is /not/ to "increase wages" or reduce "income inequality" which is what your pipe dream boils down to, in fact, the application of automatic stabilization would do the /opposite/ of your stated goal.

that isn't good enough for the left, dear.

full employment equals one hundred percent, for the left.

Except you can’t fund it

 

[jc456]

How does it create more demand? This should be good.

Higher paid labor pays more in taxes and creates more in demand.

The poor tend to spend most of their discretionary income.

And NOTHING those folks have to put into the economy will ever, ever compare to the amount of money that the wealthy put into the economy.

A fast food worker making an extra $1200 a month is not worth the economic instability of doubling the minimum wage... not even close.

The law of large numbers applies. And, the poor spend money locally, not in foreign tax shelters that make more money, with any tax break simply due to the already existing Wealth.

No, typically the poor spend the bulk of any "extra" money on cheap products that are almost never made locally, hell most of them aren't even made nationally...

The point is dear, that money circulates locally and pays local taxes along with that demand that requires Labor.

In your dreams

 

[jc456]

Massive social safety nets encourage and enable sloth in our markets. See my prior example on HS. Hand out, not hand up, which means that folks /only/ get welfare when they are truly in need aka starving, not everyone in the bottom 20% of our well above starving/having no house level of statisticians "poverty" When you take safety nets to the level ours are at already, much less take them further as you propose, you encourage and enable non-productive citizens who are a complete drag on the entire economy. This brings down the quality of living across the nation, another imaginary figure created in absence of the reality of what is a "good" quality of life by statistics.

sorry; you don't get to "dictate morality, right wingers; that requires morals."

Neither do you son.

equal protection of the law, is a "civic duty".

And now we know you're full of shit and spouting "catch phrases"

~sprays area with de-troll and wanders off~

why should the left take the right wing seriously about economics; when little girls can do the same thing.

Yeah cause in lefty economics, doubling 10,000 is 12,000 and working two jobs helps unemployment

 

[LeeOnLido]

first she needs to go on "Are You Dumber Than A Fifth Grader", and if she answers all of the questions correctly, then she can move on to debates

 

[danielpalos]

we really just need a fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage, unemployment compensation for being unemployed on an at-will basis in our at-will employment States, and giga-recycling factories to help with social costs.

How many years until you leave college? 15? 25?

You are the one without a valid argument.

 

[danielpalos]

Higher paid labor pays more in taxes and creates more in demand.

The poor tend to spend most of their discretionary income.

That is the stupidest post ever. What demand have they made. Nothing changes. What 5th grade economic book are you reading? You can’t equate taxes to demand of goods. Your analogy doesn’t follow through. They spend more of their income because their income is low. As their income increase the amount as a percentage of their income that is spent goes down. Jesus! Get some help.

Christ, I need to take my own advice. I can’t do this with a myopic neophyte like you.

People spending wages from fifteen dollars an hour and people receiving unemployment compensation for simply being unemployed; Must create some Demand in Any economy.

That’s where you’re wrong. But go figure, it’s you

nope; i am right even though i am on the left; and, you are wrong, even though you are on the right.

there is a difference, right wingers.

Where do you think the money comes from? Why would anyone work? Why would someone working continue when someone getting the same pay is not? Dude, I already told you, your idea runs out of funding and no one working. Wow, great solution

The money could be coming from foreign nationals. Only the right wing, is that dumb.

 

[EverCurious]

That is the stupidest post ever. What demand have they made. Nothing changes. What 5th grade economic book are you reading? You can’t equate taxes to demand of goods. Your analogy doesn’t follow through. They spend more of their income because their income is low. As their income increase the amount as a percentage of their income that is spent goes down. Jesus! Get some help.

Christ, I need to take my own advice. I can’t do this with a myopic neophyte like you.

People spending wages from fifteen dollars an hour and people receiving unemployment compensation for simply being unemployed; Must create some Demand in Any economy.

That’s where you’re wrong. But go figure, it’s you

nope; i am right even though i am on the left; and, you are wrong, even though you are on the right.

there is a difference, right wingers.

Where do you think the money comes from? Why would anyone work? Why would someone working continue when someone getting the same pay is not? Dude, I already told you, your idea runs out of funding and no one working. Wow, great solution

The money could be coming from foreign nationals. Only the right wing, is that dumb.

BUHAHAHAHA Cause foreigners have any moral obligation to support American's who don't want to work? Shiiiit.

I bet even Cortez wouldn't subscribe to the bullshit social-economic theory you've suggested...

 

[danielpalos]

People spending wages from fifteen dollars an hour and people receiving unemployment compensation for simply being unemployed; Must create some Demand in Any economy.

That’s where you’re wrong. But go figure, it’s you

nope; i am right even though i am on the left; and, you are wrong, even though you are on the right.

there is a difference, right wingers.

Where do you think the money comes from? Why would anyone work? Why would someone working continue when someone getting the same pay is not? Dude, I already told you, your idea runs out of funding and no one working. Wow, great solution

The money could be coming from foreign nationals. Only the right wing, is that dumb.

BUHAHAHAHA Cause foreigners have any moral obligation to support American's who don't want to work? Shiiiit.

I bet even Cortez wouldn't subscribe to the bullshit social-economic theory you've suggested...

why insist on Mexico paying for the wall, and not, volunteers willing to get social with us?

 

[Dschrute3]

So far, the only thing you've proven, is that you can use the word 'Fallacy' way too much. You've used it like 25 times on this thread alone. It's not making you sound smart. It's actually achieving the opposite effect.

i have solutions, not excuses. only the right wing does that while alleging equality not the truth in advertising of inferiority.

Your solution destroys the country. So that’s your solution.

nobody takes right wing soothsay and more credibly than right wing hearsay.

You need an actual argument, not your made up fantasy.

How would having recourse to unemployment compensation for simply being unemployed, be worse for the People.

You have no economic arguments; you don't have a social argument either, do you, right wingers.

time=money, right wingers; don't be, worth less.

Lowest Unemployment in 17yrs, isn't good enough for ya? You really think Communists could do better? You need to study up some more on Communism/Socialism. It isn't the answer.

Yes, the left can do better than right wing rhetoric regarding the right wing concept of a natural rate of unemployment.

Full employment is one hundred percent, for the left, for social purposes.

Unemployment compensation for being unemployed in our at-will employment States solves for simple poverty.

You really don't understand Economics. There will never be 100% Employment. According to Economists, statistically-speaking, we're currently at or near Full Employment. It's the best employment scenario we've experienced in the last 17-18yrs.

 

[danielpalos]

i have solutions, not excuses. only the right wing does that while alleging equality not the truth in advertising of inferiority.

Your solution destroys the country. So that’s your solution.

nobody takes right wing soothsay and more credibly than right wing hearsay.

You need an actual argument, not your made up fantasy.

How would having recourse to unemployment compensation for simply being unemployed, be worse for the People.

You have no economic arguments; you don't have a social argument either, do you, right wingers.

time=money, right wingers; don't be, worth less.

Lowest Unemployment in 17yrs, isn't good enough for ya? You really think Communists could do better? You need to study up some more on Communism/Socialism. It isn't the answer.

Yes, the left can do better than right wing rhetoric regarding the right wing concept of a natural rate of unemployment.

Full employment is one hundred percent, for the left, for social purposes.

Unemployment compensation for being unemployed in our at-will employment States solves for simple poverty.

You really don't understand Economics. There will never be 100% Employment. According to Economists, statistically-speaking, we're currently at or near Full Employment. It's the best employment scenario we've experienced in 17-18yrs.

a natural rate of unemployment is only natural for capitalism and that form of right wing wing fantasy; full employment equals one hundred percent in the ordinary, social world.

 

[Dschrute3]

she should be able to raise plenty of cash, then.

we routinely have to bailout the rich.

the right wing Only complain about the Poor, simply Because, the Poor are not capitally Worth it under our form of Capitalism.

Her supporter-base is made up of mostly Entitlement douchebags. Typical Democrats.

the left claims to be moral enough to be socialist and care about the poor, not just the profit.

The best thing for the poor is an education and a good paying job. Government can't provide that. That's why socialism fails.

The government can’t provide education? Are you high? So tell me. Let’s take government out of the picture. What incentive does the private industry have to educate the poor?

I’m sure they can do a great job educating the wealthy which is why private / prep schools do so well. But tell me how the poor fit into the business model?

Government education is a failure in many urban areas. Dumb and dumber. It's getting worse.

Excellent observation. Government-Schooling is in rapid decline. The dumber the person, the more likely they're willing to support dumb Communists like Sanders and Cortez.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

social democracy includes solving simple poverty; the left has solutions.

Yes, yes....all those liberal social programs of the 1960's - 1980's worked so well...

 

[Dschrute3]

So far, the only thing you've proven, is that you can use the word 'Fallacy' way too much. You've used it like 25 times on this thread alone. It's not making you sound smart. It's actually achieving the opposite effect.

i have solutions, not excuses. only the right wing does that while alleging equality not the truth in advertising of inferiority.

Your solution destroys the country. So that’s your solution.

nobody takes right wing soothsay and more credibly than right wing hearsay.

You need an actual argument, not your made up fantasy.

How would having recourse to unemployment compensation for simply being unemployed, be worse for the People.

You have no economic arguments; you don't have a social argument either, do you, right wingers.

time=money, right wingers; don't be, worth less.

Lowest Unemployment in 17yrs, isn't good enough for ya? You really think Communists could do better? You need to study up some more on Communism/Socialism. It isn't the answer.

It isn’t what the left wants

I hear ya, the current Democratic Party thrives on poverty and bitterness. The last thing that Party wants, is a happy prosperous Citizenry. Democrats need their angry poor masses.