Who decides if and when the US government has become tyrannical?

[Delta4Embassy]

“The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.” -- Thomas Jefferson

Just about every use of armed opposition to the government is illegal. Like WAY illegal. But if the Founders gave us the 2nd Amendment just in case things went off the rails, who decides when that time has arrived? And is there any legal provision for armed insurrection against a tyrannical US government?

Anti-government groups are increasingly using the words 'persecution,' and 'tyranny.' If they think they're justified doing so, armed rebellion or insurrection seems plausible. Already seen it on individual and small group scales. From the couple murdering law enforcement a year or so ago, to the father and son shooters who murdered law enforcement to better known incidents like Ruby Ridge, Branch Davidians, and others.

 

[Derideo_Te]

Why do the ignorant gun fetishists always focus on that Jefferson quote instead of this one?

"An educated citizenry is a vital requisite for our survival as a free people."

If you don't want a "tyrannical government" then We the People need to be educated.

 

[Auld Phart]

Why do the ignorant gun fetishists always focus on that Jefferson quote instead of this one?

"An educated citizenry is a vital requisite for our survival as a free people."

If you don't want a "tyrannical government" then We the People need to be educated.

"An educated citizenry is a vital requisite for our survival as a free people."

then you have no problem with a standardized literacy test for voting?

 

[Friends]

The same idiots who quote Jefferson on gun control laws claim "the United States is a republic, not a democracy."

This is what Jefferson had to day about that: "The full experiment of a government democratical, but representative, was and is still reserved for us. The idea (taken, indeed, from the little specimen formerly existing in the English constitution, but now lost) has been carried by us, more or less, into all our legislative and executive departments; but it has not yet, by any of us, been pushed into all the ramifications of the system, so far as to leave no authority existing not responsible to the people; whose rights, however, to the exercise of fruits of their own industry, can never be protected against the selfishness of rulers not subject to their control at short periods. The introduction of this new principle of representative democracy has rendered useless almost everything written before on the structure of government."

Letter to Isaac H. Tiffany
Thomas Jefferson

Monticello

August 26, 1816
Letter to Isaac H. Tiffany | Teaching American History

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Lemme put it another way, can a faction of the US government, state of federal declare another faction of component of the government to be a tyranny? Supreme Court maybe? Or a state's governor. Is there anyone with that sort of authroity to say, "We believe the government has become a tyranny and as such are now severeing ties with it, or otherwise rebelling against federal authority."

IN A LEGAL WAY?

Can say whatever you want, but whether you have the actual authority to back up such a claim is my question. Is there a provision somewhere for someone to do this?

 

[martybegan]

“The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.” -- Thomas Jefferson

Just about every use of armed opposition to the government is illegal. Like WAY illegal. But if the Founders gave us the 2nd Amendment just in case things went off the rails, who decides when that time has arrived? And is there any legal provision for armed insurrection against a tyrannical US government?

Anti-government groups are increasingly using the words 'persecution,' and 'tyranny.' If they think they're justified doing so, armed rebellion or insurrection seems plausible. Already seen it on individual and small group scales. From the couple murdering law enforcement a year or so ago, to the father and son shooters who murdered law enforcement to better known incidents like Ruby Ridge, Branch Davidians, and others.

armed opposition is only illegal if you lose.