Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2

[P F Tinmore]

aris2chat, Hollie, et al,

As long as the Arab Palestinian promotes terrorism, and the policy of Jihad, there should be no nation building assistance by any external governments. As long as the Arab Palestinians intentionally target civilians, there should be no nation building by donors.

Who are the Pal'istanians?

this is nation building peaceful future for palestinians ??????

This primary education.... higher education is tunnels and bombs ??

(COMMENT)

As long as the Arab Palestinians pose a continuing threat to the sovereignty of the State of Israel there sholud be no external support for improvements in healthcare, education, welfare, infrastructure development, economic for better commerce and employment.

As long as the Arabs of Palestine are duty and honor bound to carry out terrorist attack by Jihadist and Fedayeen to actively oppose the recommendation of partition; or recognize the Balfour Declaration, the Mandate of Palestine, or any political development derived from them, there should be no fiscal support provided in any manner that might have use as paramilitary tool or weapon for the asymmetric forces of the Arab Palestinians or any of the regional threats. As long as the Arab Palestinians are defying the resolution of the General Assembly and are engaged in a deliberate effort to alter by force the 1948 settlement, the outcome and peaceful reconciliation as seen by Egypt and Jordan, ---- no support should be rendered.

Most Respectfully,
R

So Israel's acts of genocide should continue?

How about evidence of these so called acts of genocide then, as genocide even sloooowwwwww genocide is reducing the population by a greater figure than the population increases.


Or do you see genocide as increasing the population every year ?

European Jewish genocide was the mass murder of over 75% of the European Jews.
Armenian genocide was the mass murder of 90% of the Armenians
Ukraine genocide was the mass murder of 90 % of the population of the Ukraine

Palestinian genocide is the increase of the Palestinian population by 20%


Which is the odd one out ?

An act of genocide is an act of genocide regardless of its level of success.

Deliberately inflicting conditions of life calculated to destroy a group
includes the deliberate deprivation of resources needed for the group’s physical survival, such as clean water, food, clothing, shelter or medical services. Deprivation of the means to sustain life can be imposed through confiscation of harvests, blockade of foodstuffs, detention in camps, forcible relocation or expulsion into deserts.

The international legal definition of genocide - Prevent Genocide International​

It is a regular practice of Israel to demolish homes, bulldoze or poison crops, uproot trees, destroy cisterns and wells.

All of these fall in the description of acts of genocide.

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

What are you talking about? "Genocide" was not even mentioned.

aris2chat, Hollie, et al,

As long as the Arab Palestinian promotes terrorism, and the policy of Jihad, there should be no nation building assistance by any external governments. As long as the Arab Palestinians intentionally target civilians, there should be no nation building by donors.

Who are the Pal'istanians?

this is nation building peaceful future for palestinians ??????

This primary education.... higher education is tunnels and bombs ??

(COMMENT)

As long as the Arab Palestinians pose a continuing threat to the sovereignty of the State of Israel there sholud be no external support for improvements in healthcare, education, welfare, infrastructure development, economic for better commerce and employment.

As long as the Arabs of Palestine are duty and honor bound to carry out terrorist attack by Jihadist and Fedayeen to actively oppose the recommendation of partition; or recognize the Balfour Declaration, the Mandate of Palestine, or any political development derived from them, there should be no fiscal support provided in any manner that might have use as paramilitary tool or weapon for the asymmetric forces of the Arab Palestinians or any of the regional threats. As long as the Arab Palestinians are defying the resolution of the General Assembly and are engaged in a deliberate effort to alter by force the 1948 settlement, the outcome and peaceful reconciliation as seen by Egypt and Jordan, ---- no support should be rendered.

Most Respectfully,
R

So Israel's acts of genocide should continue?

(REFERENCE)

For the purpose of this Statute (Part II Article 6), "genocide" means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

(a) Killing members of the group;

(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;

(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;

(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;

(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
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Article 6 Genocide Introduction With respect to the last element listed for each crime:

(a) The term “in the context of” would include the initial acts in an emerging pattern;
(b) The term “manifest” is an objective qualification;
(c) Notwithstanding the normal requirement for a mental element provided for in article 30, and recognizing that knowledge of the circumstances will usually be addressed in proving genocidal intent, the appropriate requirement, if any, for a mental element regarding this circumstance will need to be decided by the Court on a case-by-case basis.
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Article 6
(a) Genocide by killing Elements

1. The perpetrator killed one or more persons.
2. Such person or persons belonged to a particular national, ethnical, racial or religious group.
3. The perpetrator intended to destroy, in whole or in part, that national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such.
4. The conduct took place in the context of a manifest pattern of similar conduct directed against that group or was conduct that could itself effect such destruction.
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Article 6
(b) Genocide by causing serious bodily or mental harm Elements

1. The perpetrator caused serious bodily or mental harm to one or more persons.
2. Such person or persons belonged to a particular national, ethnical, racial or religious group.
3. The perpetrator intended to destroy, in whole or in part, that national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such.
4. The conduct took place in the context of a manifest pattern of similar conduct directed against that group or was conduct that could itself effect such destruction.
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Article 6
(c) Genocide by deliberately inflicting conditions of life calculated to bring about physical destruction Elements

1. The perpetrator inflicted certain conditions of life upon one or more persons.
2. Such person or persons belonged to a particular national, ethnical, racial or religious group.
3. The perpetrator intended to destroy, in whole or in part, that national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such.
4. The conditions of life were calculated to bring about the physical destruction of that group, in whole or in part.
5. The conduct took place in the context of a manifest pattern of similar conduct directed against that group or was conduct that could itself effect such destruction.
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Article 6 (d) Genocide by imposing measures intended to prevent births Elements

1. The perpetrator imposed certain measures upon one or more persons.
2. Such person or persons belonged to a particular national, ethnical, racial or religious group.
3. The perpetrator intended to destroy, in whole or in part, that national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such.
4. The measures imposed were intended to prevent births within that group.
5. The conduct took place in the context of a manifest pattern of similar conduct directed against that group or was conduct that could itself effect such destruction.
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Article 6
(e) Genocide by forcibly transferring children Elements

1. The perpetrator forcibly transferred one or more persons.
2. Such person or persons belonged to a particular national, ethnical, racial or religious group.
3. The perpetrator intended to destroy, in whole or in part, that national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such.
4. The transfer was from that group to another group.
5. The person or persons were under the age of 18 years.
6. The perpetrator knew, or should have known, that the person or persons were under the age of 18 years.
7. The conduct took place in the context of a manifest pattern of similar conduct directed against that group or was conduct that could itself effect such destruction.
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In the Last Half of the 20th Century ( 1951 to 2000 ) The more famous Genocide Events were:

3.3.1Australia 1900–1969
3.3.2Zanzibar
3.3.3Guatemala 1981–1983
3.3.4India (Sikh Genocide of 1984)
3.3.5Pakistan (Bangladesh War of 1971)
3.3.6Burundi 1972 and 1993
3.3.7North Korea
3.3.8Equatorial Guinea
3.3.9Indonesia
3.3.9.1East Timor
3.3.9.2West New Guinea/West Papua
3.3.9.3Indonesian killings of 1965–66
3.3.10Bangladesh
3.3.10.1Biharis
3.3.10.2Indigenous Chakmas
3.3.11Laos
3.3.12Argentina
3.3.13Ethiopia
3.3.14Iraq
3.3.15Tibet
3.3.16Brazil
3.3.17Democratic Republic of Congo
3.3.17.1Hutu
3.3.18Somalia
3.3.19Sri Lanka
3.3.20Myanmar
4.1.1Bosnia and Herzegovina
4.1.2Rwanda
4.1.3Cambodia
4.2.1Darfur, Sudan​

(COMMENT)

I'm not sure that you know what that means,or what it entails.

Normally we know what is meant when one accuses another of "Genocide."

Most Respectfully,
R

Thank you. Part C is particularly problematic. Of course there is no question about part A.

True the Palestinians have it as part of their national charter to kill all the Jews.

The Jews don't have it as part of their national charter do they, in fact they only kill when attacked as in Cast Lead or Protective Edge which were not genocides but aspects of war started by the Palestinians. Simple answer don't engage in war if you don't want to see your human shields killed. Then you wont have to tell lies for them about fantasy genocides and land thefts

 

[Phoenall]

Who are the Pal'istanians?

Death cultists in Islamic terror'istan.

They attack their occupiers.

Shame on them.

\it is the death rape cultists that follow islam that are the occupiers, they have no rights to the land. Unless you can find a treaty by the LoN or the Ottomans conveying such rights on the nomadic itinerant farm workers that moved from place to place. The scum you claim are indigenous palestinians

 

[Phoenall]

aris2chat, Hollie, et al,

As long as the Arab Palestinian promotes terrorism, and the policy of Jihad, there should be no nation building assistance by any external governments. As long as the Arab Palestinians intentionally target civilians, there should be no nation building by donors.

Who are the Pal'istanians?

this is nation building peaceful future for palestinians ??????

This primary education.... higher education is tunnels and bombs ??

(COMMENT)

As long as the Arab Palestinians pose a continuing threat to the sovereignty of the State of Israel there sholud be no external support for improvements in healthcare, education, welfare, infrastructure development, economic for better commerce and employment.

As long as the Arabs of Palestine are duty and honor bound to carry out terrorist attack by Jihadist and Fedayeen to actively oppose the recommendation of partition; or recognize the Balfour Declaration, the Mandate of Palestine, or any political development derived from them, there should be no fiscal support provided in any manner that might have use as paramilitary tool or weapon for the asymmetric forces of the Arab Palestinians or any of the regional threats. As long as the Arab Palestinians are defying the resolution of the General Assembly and are engaged in a deliberate effort to alter by force the 1948 settlement, the outcome and peaceful reconciliation as seen by Egypt and Jordan, ---- no support should be rendered.

Most Respectfully,
R

So Israel's acts of genocide should continue?

How about evidence of these so called acts of genocide then, as genocide even sloooowwwwww genocide is reducing the population by a greater figure than the population increases.


Or do you see genocide as increasing the population every year ?

European Jewish genocide was the mass murder of over 75% of the European Jews.
Armenian genocide was the mass murder of 90% of the Armenians
Ukraine genocide was the mass murder of 90 % of the population of the Ukraine

Palestinian genocide is the increase of the Palestinian population by 20%


Which is the odd one out ?

An act of genocide is an act of genocide regardless of its level of success.

Deliberately inflicting conditions of life calculated to destroy a group
includes the deliberate deprivation of resources needed for the group’s physical survival, such as clean water, food, clothing, shelter or medical services. Deprivation of the means to sustain life can be imposed through confiscation of harvests, blockade of foodstuffs, detention in camps, forcible relocation or expulsion into deserts.

The international legal definition of genocide - Prevent Genocide International​

It is a regular practice of Israel to demolish homes, bulldoze or poison crops, uproot trees, destroy cisterns and wells.

All of these fall in the description of acts of genocide.

So produce verifiable links to these alleged acts then show that they are not because of the attacks on Israel by Palestinian terrorists. 20,000 tons of supplies enter gaza and are promptly stolen by hamas to be sold on the black market. piped in only for the steel pipes to be stolen by hamas to make rockets with. Clothing is not in short supply as the pictures show, medicines are again stolen by hamas to be sold elsewhere. Ample food is allowed in so it is not blockaded. No detention in camps other than that imposed by hamas, no forced relocation or expulsions into the desert

Only if the structures are used for military matters, No evidence of this, planted illegally on Israeli land, dug illegally.



As I keep pointing out you provide no concrete evidence, just the same islamonazi propaganda from the same islamonazi sites

 

[Phoenall]

aris2chat, Hollie, et al,

As long as the Arab Palestinian promotes terrorism, and the policy of Jihad, there should be no nation building assistance by any external governments. As long as the Arab Palestinians intentionally target civilians, there should be no nation building by donors.

Who are the Pal'istanians?

this is nation building peaceful future for palestinians ??????

This primary education.... higher education is tunnels and bombs ??

(COMMENT)

As long as the Arab Palestinians pose a continuing threat to the sovereignty of the State of Israel there sholud be no external support for improvements in healthcare, education, welfare, infrastructure development, economic for better commerce and employment.

As long as the Arabs of Palestine are duty and honor bound to carry out terrorist attack by Jihadist and Fedayeen to actively oppose the recommendation of partition; or recognize the Balfour Declaration, the Mandate of Palestine, or any political development derived from them, there should be no fiscal support provided in any manner that might have use as paramilitary tool or weapon for the asymmetric forces of the Arab Palestinians or any of the regional threats. As long as the Arab Palestinians are defying the resolution of the General Assembly and are engaged in a deliberate effort to alter by force the 1948 settlement, the outcome and peaceful reconciliation as seen by Egypt and Jordan, ---- no support should be rendered.

Most Respectfully,
R

So Israel's acts of genocide should continue?

How about evidence of these so called acts of genocide then, as genocide even sloooowwwwww genocide is reducing the population by a greater figure than the population increases.


Or do you see genocide as increasing the population every year ?

European Jewish genocide was the mass murder of over 75% of the European Jews.
Armenian genocide was the mass murder of 90% of the Armenians
Ukraine genocide was the mass murder of 90 % of the population of the Ukraine

Palestinian genocide is the increase of the Palestinian population by 20%


Which is the odd one out ?

An act of genocide is an act of genocide regardless of its level of success.

Deliberately inflicting conditions of life calculated to destroy a group
includes the deliberate deprivation of resources needed for the group’s physical survival, such as clean water, food, clothing, shelter or medical services. Deprivation of the means to sustain life can be imposed through confiscation of harvests, blockade of foodstuffs, detention in camps, forcible relocation or expulsion into deserts.

The international legal definition of genocide - Prevent Genocide International​

It is a regular practice of Israel to demolish homes, bulldoze or poison crops, uproot trees, destroy cisterns and wells.

All of these fall in the description of acts of genocide.

WRONG as they are acts of retribution as detailed in the Geneva conventions. Water is provided so hamas steals the pipes. Food is provided so hamas steal it, clothing is in plentiful supply, shelter is a matter for the P.A., but fire from civilian areas and the civilian areas will be destroyed. Again hamas steals medical supplies.

Keep trying as up to now you have shown that you are blind to the truth, and have no interest in hearing the reality.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

aris2chat, Hollie, et al,

As long as the Arab Palestinian promotes terrorism, and the policy of Jihad, there should be no nation building assistance by any external governments. As long as the Arab Palestinians intentionally target civilians, there should be no nation building by donors.

Who are the Pal'istanians?

this is nation building peaceful future for palestinians ??????

This primary education.... higher education is tunnels and bombs ??

(COMMENT)

As long as the Arab Palestinians pose a continuing threat to the sovereignty of the State of Israel there sholud be no external support for improvements in healthcare, education, welfare, infrastructure development, economic for better commerce and employment.

As long as the Arabs of Palestine are duty and honor bound to carry out terrorist attack by Jihadist and Fedayeen to actively oppose the recommendation of partition; or recognize the Balfour Declaration, the Mandate of Palestine, or any political development derived from them, there should be no fiscal support provided in any manner that might have use as paramilitary tool or weapon for the asymmetric forces of the Arab Palestinians or any of the regional threats. As long as the Arab Palestinians are defying the resolution of the General Assembly and are engaged in a deliberate effort to alter by force the 1948 settlement, the outcome and peaceful reconciliation as seen by Egypt and Jordan, ---- no support should be rendered.

Most Respectfully,
R

So Israel's acts of genocide should continue?

How about evidence of these so called acts of genocide then, as genocide even sloooowwwwww genocide is reducing the population by a greater figure than the population increases.


Or do you see genocide as increasing the population every year ?

European Jewish genocide was the mass murder of over 75% of the European Jews.
Armenian genocide was the mass murder of 90% of the Armenians
Ukraine genocide was the mass murder of 90 % of the population of the Ukraine

Palestinian genocide is the increase of the Palestinian population by 20%


Which is the odd one out ?

An act of genocide is an act of genocide regardless of its level of success.

Deliberately inflicting conditions of life calculated to destroy a group
includes the deliberate deprivation of resources needed for the group’s physical survival, such as clean water, food, clothing, shelter or medical services. Deprivation of the means to sustain life can be imposed through confiscation of harvests, blockade of foodstuffs, detention in camps, forcible relocation or expulsion into deserts.

The international legal definition of genocide - Prevent Genocide International​

It is a regular practice of Israel to demolish homes, bulldoze or poison crops, uproot trees, destroy cisterns and wells.

All of these fall in the description of acts of genocide.

Except for demolishing the houses of terrorists, Israel doesn't do any of these acts.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Who are the Palestinians?

Ali Abunimah

 

[Hollie]

Who are the Islamic terrorist 'Pal'istanians?

Fatah celebrates murder of American tourist - PMW Bulletins

PMW Bulletins
Fatah celebrates murder of American touristby Itamar Marcus
Mar. 9, 2016

Fatah celebrates murder of American tourist

Fatah: Murderer of American tourist is “heroic Martyr”
PA TV News: American victim is “settler”

 

[aris2chat]

Who are the Palestinians?

Ali Abunimah

Too many palestinians celebrate violence.

 

[Shusha]

It is a regular practice of Israel to demolish homes, bulldoze or poison crops, uproot trees, destroy cisterns and wells.

All of these fall in the description of acts of genocide.

As has already been said, Israel does none of these things other than demolishing homes of terrorists and those which are illegally built.

But acts of genocide also require INTENT. And there is no such intent.

 

[P F Tinmore]

It is a regular practice of Israel to demolish homes, bulldoze or poison crops, uproot trees, destroy cisterns and wells.

All of these fall in the description of acts of genocide.

As has already been said, Israel does none of these things other than demolishing homes of terrorists and those which are illegally built.

But acts of genocide also require INTENT. And there is no such intent.

Israel's intent has always been:

• To cleans Palestinians from their land.
• To wipe Palestine off the map.
• To erase Palestinians from history.

By any means necessary.

Does that count?

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

It seems to me that "by any means necessary" is the Arab Palestinian montra.

It is a regular practice of Israel to demolish homes, bulldoze or poison crops, uproot trees, destroy cisterns and wells.

All of these fall in the description of acts of genocide.

As has already been said, Israel does none of these things other than demolishing homes of terrorists and those which are illegally built.

But acts of genocide also require INTENT. And there is no such intent.

Israel's intent has always been:

• To cleans Palestinians from their land.
• To wipe Palestine off the map.
• To erase Palestinians from history.

By any means necessary.

Does that count?

(COMMENT)

OH, give me a break.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

It seems to me that "by any means necessary" is the Arab Palestinian montra.

It is a regular practice of Israel to demolish homes, bulldoze or poison crops, uproot trees, destroy cisterns and wells.

All of these fall in the description of acts of genocide.

As has already been said, Israel does none of these things other than demolishing homes of terrorists and those which are illegally built.

But acts of genocide also require INTENT. And there is no such intent.

Israel's intent has always been:

• To cleans Palestinians from their land.
• To wipe Palestine off the map.
• To erase Palestinians from history.

By any means necessary.

Does that count?

(COMMENT)

OH, give me a break.

Most Respectfully,
R

A break from what?

The truth?

 

[Shusha]

It is a regular practice of Israel to demolish homes, bulldoze or poison crops, uproot trees, destroy cisterns and wells.

All of these fall in the description of acts of genocide.

As has already been said, Israel does none of these things other than demolishing homes of terrorists and those which are illegally built.

But acts of genocide also require INTENT. And there is no such intent.

Israel's intent has always been:

• To cleans Palestinians from their land.
• To wipe Palestine off the map.
• To erase Palestinians from history.

By any means necessary.

Does that count?

As genocide? No. You have proven neither the conditions necessary for genocide (destruction of the group) nor intent.

1. Ethnic cleansing (heinous as it is) is not equivalent to genocide.
2. Shifting national borders and names is not equivalent to genocide.
3. Creating a historical narrative from one's own pov is not equivalent to genocide.

 

[P F Tinmore]

It is a regular practice of Israel to demolish homes, bulldoze or poison crops, uproot trees, destroy cisterns and wells.

All of these fall in the description of acts of genocide.

As has already been said, Israel does none of these things other than demolishing homes of terrorists and those which are illegally built.

But acts of genocide also require INTENT. And there is no such intent.

Israel's intent has always been:

• To cleans Palestinians from their land.
• To wipe Palestine off the map.
• To erase Palestinians from history.

By any means necessary.

Does that count?

As genocide? No. You have proven neither the conditions necessary for genocide (destruction of the group) nor intent.

1. Ethnic cleansing (heinous as it is) is not equivalent to genocide.
2. Shifting national borders and names is not equivalent to genocide.
3. Creating a historical narrative from one's own pov is not equivalent to genocide.

My last post was to show intent. My previous post listed some acts of genocide.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Who are the Palestinians?

 

[Hollie]

It is a regular practice of Israel to demolish homes, bulldoze or poison crops, uproot trees, destroy cisterns and wells.

All of these fall in the description of acts of genocide.

As has already been said, Israel does none of these things other than demolishing homes of terrorists and those which are illegally built.

But acts of genocide also require INTENT. And there is no such intent.

Israel's intent has always been:

• To cleans Palestinians from their land.
• To wipe Palestine off the map.
• To erase Palestinians from history.

By any means necessary.

Does that count?

As genocide? No. You have proven neither the conditions necessary for genocide (destruction of the group) nor intent.

1. Ethnic cleansing (heinous as it is) is not equivalent to genocide.
2. Shifting national borders and names is not equivalent to genocide.
3. Creating a historical narrative from one's own pov is not equivalent to genocide.

My last post was to show intent. My previous post listed some acts of genocide.

Neither of which support your claims.

If you want a prescription for genocide, Just read the Hamas Charter and study Islamist ideology.

Actions speak with the utmost clarity and your homework assignment is to study the failed attacks on Israel from combined Islamist armies and the words/actions of the Pal'istanian Islamic terrorists.

 

[Hollie]

Who are the Pal'istanian Islamic terrorists?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Who are the Palestinians?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Who are the Pal'istanian Islamic terrorists?

Oooooooo, terrorists.