Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2

[Sixties Fan]

What goes for UNESCO goes also for the UN

 

[Sixties Fan]

Palestinian Authority Chief Shari'a Justice, Advisor To Palestinian President 'Abbas, Speaks At 'Indo-Arab Solidarity Day' In Hyderabad, India, Where Center 'In Memory Of Palestinian Martyrs' In City Is Announced; Other Dignitaries At Conference: Islamic State Was Created By The West; 'One Can Understand Why... Hitler Carried Out The Massacre Of Jews'

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
※→ Sixties Fan, et al,

Yeah, this is something that most Commissioners for Human Rights ignore. Rarely, if ever, do you see the Reports of Inquiry conducted as a Palestinian detention facility.

Hamas Says ‘No’ to Info on Missing Israelis in Exchange for Rescue Access | The Jewish Press - JewishPress.com | Steve | 14 Heshvan 5778 – November 3, 2017 | JewishPress.com

(COMMENT)

Relative to the Arab Palestinians, this is par for the course.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

At the time of Theodor Herzl death in 1904, the Zionist Movement (established as a political organization in 1897 by Herzl) was one faction (of several factions) within the overall Jewish Community that promoted nationalism. This was not so radically different from the development of "Arabism" and "Arabness" bubling up in the same tie period.

There is a huge difference. Arab nationalism was to be realized on Arab land. Zionist nationalism was to be realized on someone else's land.

Arab Nationalism outside of Arabia - is always and will remain a colonial occupation.
The Jewish nationalism in Jerusalem (Zion) is the cure for this Arab imperialism, many other nations should adopt as well.

Enough with the Arab subjugation of whole nations in the middle east.

There are no nationality or religious specific rights in Palestine.

Are there nationality or religious specific rights anywhere else in the world?

How come the Muslims seem to think that they have the right to ALL of Palestine, if your saying is true?

Do the Palestinians have the right to all of Palestine?

I don't see that as a bizarre concept.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Contradicting Abbas' historical revision, just a day before, PA official TV broadcast an interview with the historian Abd Al-Ghani Salameh, who explained that in 1917 there was no Palestinian people.
During the broadcast, the host of the program asked:
"There always was a historical struggle over Palestine, and many wanted to rule it. How did the aspirations to rule affect the Palestinian existence, the Palestinians' options, and the Palestinians' possibilities of development?"

Salameh responded:

"Before the Balfour Promise (i.e., Declaration) when the Ottoman rule ended, Palestine's political borders as we know them today did not exist, and there was nothing called a Palestinian people with a political identity as we know today, since Palestine's lines of administrative division stretched from east to west and included Jordan and southern Lebanon, and like all peoples of the region [the Palestinians] were liberated from the Turkish rule and immediately moved to colonial rule, without forming a Palestinian people's political identity. However, Palestine as a geographic area and the people dwelling within it enjoyed prosperity."
[Official PA TV, Nov. 1, 2017]

In his article, Abbas continued to revise history claiming:
"I was 13 years old at the time of our expulsion from Safed."
This contradicts Abbas' own words, when he admitted on Palestinian TV that the residents of Safed were not expelled but rather left Israel in 1948 on their own:

(full article online)

PA historian: In 1917 “there was nothing called a Palestinian people” - PMW Bulletins

 

[P F Tinmore]

When we talk about land and its sovereignty TODAY, we have to look at the Political Map of Israel as it is controlled today,

Notice that there is no border around Gaza or the West Bank.

So the propaganda term of "into Israel" has a strange meaning.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Now I know that you do not recognize the validity of the Map No 3584 Rev. 2 UNITED NATIONS January 2004 (Peacekeeping Operations),

The UN is not too sure about it either. Look at the disclaimer at the bottom.

The designations employed and the presentation of material on this map do not imply the expression of any opinion whatsoever on the part of the Secretariat of the United Nations concerning the legal status of any country, territory, city or area or of its authorities or concerning the delimitation of its frontiers or boundaries.​

 

[P F Tinmore]

Britannica says that Arabs are a "diverse assortment of peoples (that) defies physical stereotyping."

Particularly in Palestine considering its history. Almost reminds me of the US.

As I have always said: Palestine has been invaded, conquered, and occupied many times. It was also the center of world trade for many centuries. Many people have come and gone over the centuries.

However, there was a core group of people, of many stripes, who stayed and put down roots. These are the Palestinians of today who have legitimate sovereignty in their land.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Now I know that you do not recognize the validity of the Map No 3584 Rev. 2 UNITED NATIONS January 2004 (Peacekeeping Operations), but it depicts a very - very - good Approximation of the Border that Egypt, Jordan, Syria, and Lebanon recognize. In fact, the sovereign control of such is no more readily recognized (Internationally) than on Aeronautical Charts of the region.

You keep confusing military control with sovereignty.

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
※→ Ventura77, et al,

I try not to paint with broad brush strokes. Your intention is to call everyone that holds a pro-Israeli view, a liar.

"you and others who routinely post lies and distortions typically ignore this salient consideration...these Zionists literally obliterate your arguments!"
​

I'm not sure that you understand the underlying point: Palestinians have demonstrated over time that any trust placed in them to follow "Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States" is lacking any temporal confidence. And to suggest that there is an over arching conspiracy to defraud the Arab-Palestinians is a thought process heavily influenced by anxiety, fear, and often delusion and irrationality.

"Zionists who conspired against the majority Arab population"​

The thought process often express here by the Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) present delusions that are specifically associated with symptom of psychosis of an almost unique to HoAP; "bizarrely" misrepresentations in content; a consistent urge to project the image that any pro-Israel stance is a fixed false beliefs that involve situations that could potentially occur in real life.

Rocco, you endeavor to make the issue considerably more complex and vague than it actually was: The Zionists who conspired against the majority Arab population of Historic Palestine essentially conceded all of the main points that critics of Israel employ against propaganda-parrots...the scathing irony is that your argument is inexorably with people like Theodore Herzl...Hiam Weitzman...Begin...Dayan...Rabin...Ben Gurion...Jabotinsky...etc. I cannot overestimate this point...you and others who routinely post lies and distortions typically ignore this salient consideration...these Zionists literally obliterate your arguments!

(Bottom Line Up Front)

In nearly every discussion, the HoAP presentation is a form of coercion aimed against the political independence or territorial integrity of Israel,

The HoAP, will attempt to promote and create international pressures that are intended to do irreparable harm to the Jewish State and trigger a collapse; all under the color of law.

The HoAP intend to create barriers that will obstruct the protection and preservation of the Jewish National Home.

(COMMENT)

There is little question that the State of Israel, after more than three-quarters of a century under the threat of --- or actual use of force (including that proscribed by law) has made mistakes; in procedure, legally, morally and even ethically. I do not think that anyone actually argues that this is not true. But, having said that, there is no question that the HoAP should bear the weight of the prolonged and mutual hostility, and asymmetric violent assaults.

The HoAP and others that lend support to the HoAP, under color of any law or resolution, willfully subjects the Jewish State, Territory, Possession, to the deprivation of any rights (including the "right to self-determination" and territorial integrity), privileges, secured or protected through the defense and preservation of it culture, people and religion --- should be dealt with severely.

The HoAP have been, and continue to be involved with acts of violence, including all acts of terror, provocation, incitement and other types of destructive --- encouraged by the thoughtlessness of others. No nation or people have some special right to incitement others to commit terrorist acts. The Arab Palestinians, especially, have no right to indulge in Jihadism, Fedayeen Action, Hostile Insurgency Operations, Radicalized Islamic Behaviors, and Asymmetric Violence --- no matter the reason or cause.

Most Respectfully,
R

Wow, I don't even know where to start with this one.

For sure it is one of your slime the Palestinians posts.

 

[Sixties Fan]

When we talk about land and its sovereignty TODAY, we have to look at the Political Map of Israel as it is controlled today,

Notice that there is no border around Gaza or the West Bank.

So the propaganda term of "into Israel" has a strange meaning.

Both Hamas and Israel know exactly where the border is .

Both Hamas and Egypt know where their border is as well.

 

[P F Tinmore]

When we talk about land and its sovereignty TODAY, we have to look at the Political Map of Israel as it is controlled today,

Notice that there is no border around Gaza or the West Bank.

So the propaganda term of "into Israel" has a strange meaning.

Both Hamas and Israel know exactly where the border is .

Both Hamas and Egypt know where their border is as well.

Well, there is an international border between Gaza and Egypt that was established in 1906.

 

[Sixties Fan]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
※→ Ventura77, et al,

I try not to paint with broad brush strokes. Your intention is to call everyone that holds a pro-Israeli view, a liar.

"you and others who routinely post lies and distortions typically ignore this salient consideration...these Zionists literally obliterate your arguments!"
​

I'm not sure that you understand the underlying point: Palestinians have demonstrated over time that any trust placed in them to follow "Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States" is lacking any temporal confidence. And to suggest that there is an over arching conspiracy to defraud the Arab-Palestinians is a thought process heavily influenced by anxiety, fear, and often delusion and irrationality.

"Zionists who conspired against the majority Arab population"​

The thought process often express here by the Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) present delusions that are specifically associated with symptom of psychosis of an almost unique to HoAP; "bizarrely" misrepresentations in content; a consistent urge to project the image that any pro-Israel stance is a fixed false beliefs that involve situations that could potentially occur in real life.

Rocco, you endeavor to make the issue considerably more complex and vague than it actually was: The Zionists who conspired against the majority Arab population of Historic Palestine essentially conceded all of the main points that critics of Israel employ against propaganda-parrots...the scathing irony is that your argument is inexorably with people like Theodore Herzl...Hiam Weitzman...Begin...Dayan...Rabin...Ben Gurion...Jabotinsky...etc. I cannot overestimate this point...you and others who routinely post lies and distortions typically ignore this salient consideration...these Zionists literally obliterate your arguments!

(Bottom Line Up Front)

In nearly every discussion, the HoAP presentation is a form of coercion aimed against the political independence or territorial integrity of Israel,

The HoAP, will attempt to promote and create international pressures that are intended to do irreparable harm to the Jewish State and trigger a collapse; all under the color of law.

The HoAP intend to create barriers that will obstruct the protection and preservation of the Jewish National Home.

(COMMENT)

There is little question that the State of Israel, after more than three-quarters of a century under the threat of --- or actual use of force (including that proscribed by law) has made mistakes; in procedure, legally, morally and even ethically. I do not think that anyone actually argues that this is not true. But, having said that, there is no question that the HoAP should bear the weight of the prolonged and mutual hostility, and asymmetric violent assaults.

The HoAP and others that lend support to the HoAP, under color of any law or resolution, willfully subjects the Jewish State, Territory, Possession, to the deprivation of any rights (including the "right to self-determination" and territorial integrity), privileges, secured or protected through the defense and preservation of it culture, people and religion --- should be dealt with severely.

The HoAP have been, and continue to be involved with acts of violence, including all acts of terror, provocation, incitement and other types of destructive --- encouraged by the thoughtlessness of others. No nation or people have some special right to incitement others to commit terrorist acts. The Arab Palestinians, especially, have no right to indulge in Jihadism, Fedayeen Action, Hostile Insurgency Operations, Radicalized Islamic Behaviors, and Asymmetric Violence --- no matter the reason or cause.

Most Respectfully,
R

Wow, I don't even know where to start with this one.

For sure it is one of your slime the Palestinians posts.

Answer this Tinmore:

According to the Palestinian Arab side Zionist Jews were only the ones who came from Europe.

If that is what the Palestinian Arabs knew about the Zionists which was not acceptable to them as a foreign colonizing group, then why weren't Mizrahi and Sepharadic Jews in Palestine, and in the new Arab countries let be?

Why were all the Mizrahi and Sepharadic Jews in TransJordan attacked, murdered or expelled from TranJordan in 1925?

From Hebron in 1929?

From Palestine between 1936 and 1939?

From Iraq, the Farhoud, in 1941 by the Palestinian Arab leader, Husseini?

From all of Judea, Samaria, including the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem in 1948?

The converted Jews, according to the Arabs, were the European ones.
Why attack, murder or expel all other Jews?
Why go into another country, Iraq, and start riots against non European Jews over there?
Why have Arab Palestinians never differentiated the Jews who came from Europe from the Mizrahi or Sepharadic Jews?


What is your answer to that ?
Do any of your sources say anything about it? One word?

 

[Sixties Fan]

When we talk about land and its sovereignty TODAY, we have to look at the Political Map of Israel as it is controlled today,

Notice that there is no border around Gaza or the West Bank.

So the propaganda term of "into Israel" has a strange meaning.

Both Hamas and Israel know exactly where the border is .

Both Hamas and Egypt know where their border is as well.

Well, there is an international border between Gaza and Egypt that was established in 1906.

Link, please.

 

[Hollie]

Britannica says that Arabs are a "diverse assortment of peoples (that) defies physical stereotyping."

Particularly in Palestine considering its history. Almost reminds me of the US.

As I have always said: Palestine has been invaded, conquered, and occupied many times. It was also the center of world trade for many centuries. Many people have come and gone over the centuries.

However, there was a core group of people, of many stripes, who stayed and put down roots. These are the Palestinians of today who have legitimate sovereignty in their land.

Another of your utterly unsupported and unsupportable claims.

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
※→ Ventura77, et al,

I try not to paint with broad brush strokes. Your intention is to call everyone that holds a pro-Israeli view, a liar.

"you and others who routinely post lies and distortions typically ignore this salient consideration...these Zionists literally obliterate your arguments!"
​

I'm not sure that you understand the underlying point: Palestinians have demonstrated over time that any trust placed in them to follow "Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States" is lacking any temporal confidence. And to suggest that there is an over arching conspiracy to defraud the Arab-Palestinians is a thought process heavily influenced by anxiety, fear, and often delusion and irrationality.

"Zionists who conspired against the majority Arab population"​

The thought process often express here by the Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) present delusions that are specifically associated with symptom of psychosis of an almost unique to HoAP; "bizarrely" misrepresentations in content; a consistent urge to project the image that any pro-Israel stance is a fixed false beliefs that involve situations that could potentially occur in real life.

Rocco, you endeavor to make the issue considerably more complex and vague than it actually was: The Zionists who conspired against the majority Arab population of Historic Palestine essentially conceded all of the main points that critics of Israel employ against propaganda-parrots...the scathing irony is that your argument is inexorably with people like Theodore Herzl...Hiam Weitzman...Begin...Dayan...Rabin...Ben Gurion...Jabotinsky...etc. I cannot overestimate this point...you and others who routinely post lies and distortions typically ignore this salient consideration...these Zionists literally obliterate your arguments!

(Bottom Line Up Front)

In nearly every discussion, the HoAP presentation is a form of coercion aimed against the political independence or territorial integrity of Israel,

The HoAP, will attempt to promote and create international pressures that are intended to do irreparable harm to the Jewish State and trigger a collapse; all under the color of law.

The HoAP intend to create barriers that will obstruct the protection and preservation of the Jewish National Home.

(COMMENT)

There is little question that the State of Israel, after more than three-quarters of a century under the threat of --- or actual use of force (including that proscribed by law) has made mistakes; in procedure, legally, morally and even ethically. I do not think that anyone actually argues that this is not true. But, having said that, there is no question that the HoAP should bear the weight of the prolonged and mutual hostility, and asymmetric violent assaults.

The HoAP and others that lend support to the HoAP, under color of any law or resolution, willfully subjects the Jewish State, Territory, Possession, to the deprivation of any rights (including the "right to self-determination" and territorial integrity), privileges, secured or protected through the defense and preservation of it culture, people and religion --- should be dealt with severely.

The HoAP have been, and continue to be involved with acts of violence, including all acts of terror, provocation, incitement and other types of destructive --- encouraged by the thoughtlessness of others. No nation or people have some special right to incitement others to commit terrorist acts. The Arab Palestinians, especially, have no right to indulge in Jihadism, Fedayeen Action, Hostile Insurgency Operations, Radicalized Islamic Behaviors, and Asymmetric Violence --- no matter the reason or cause.

Most Respectfully,
R

Wow, I don't even know where to start with this one.

For sure it is one of your slime the Palestinians posts.

Answer this Tinmore:

According to the Palestinian Arab side Zionist Jews were only the ones who came from Europe.

If that is what the Palestinian Arabs knew about the Zionists which was not acceptable to them as a foreign colonizing group, then why weren't Mizrahi and Sepharadic Jews in Palestine, and in the new Arab countries let be?

Why were all the Mizrahi and Sepharadic Jews in TransJordan attacked, murdered or expelled from TranJordan in 1925?

From Hebron in 1929?

From Palestine between 1936 and 1939?

From Iraq, the Farhoud, in 1941 by the Palestinian Arab leader, Husseini?

From all of Judea, Samaria, including the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem in 1948?

The converted Jews, according to the Arabs, were the European ones.
Why attack, murder or expel all other Jews?
Why go into another country, Iraq, and start riots against non European Jews over there?
Why have Arab Palestinians never differentiated the Jews who came from Europe from the Mizrahi or Sepharadic Jews?


What is your answer to that ?
Do any of your sources say anything about it? One word?

You would have to ask all of those other countries. The Palestinians had nothing to do with that.

As for what happened in Palestine, the Zionist colonial project "poisoned the well" for non Zionist Jews.

 

[Hollie]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
※→ Ventura77, et al,

I try not to paint with broad brush strokes. Your intention is to call everyone that holds a pro-Israeli view, a liar.

"you and others who routinely post lies and distortions typically ignore this salient consideration...these Zionists literally obliterate your arguments!"
​

I'm not sure that you understand the underlying point: Palestinians have demonstrated over time that any trust placed in them to follow "Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States" is lacking any temporal confidence. And to suggest that there is an over arching conspiracy to defraud the Arab-Palestinians is a thought process heavily influenced by anxiety, fear, and often delusion and irrationality.

"Zionists who conspired against the majority Arab population"​

The thought process often express here by the Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) present delusions that are specifically associated with symptom of psychosis of an almost unique to HoAP; "bizarrely" misrepresentations in content; a consistent urge to project the image that any pro-Israel stance is a fixed false beliefs that involve situations that could potentially occur in real life.

Rocco, you endeavor to make the issue considerably more complex and vague than it actually was: The Zionists who conspired against the majority Arab population of Historic Palestine essentially conceded all of the main points that critics of Israel employ against propaganda-parrots...the scathing irony is that your argument is inexorably with people like Theodore Herzl...Hiam Weitzman...Begin...Dayan...Rabin...Ben Gurion...Jabotinsky...etc. I cannot overestimate this point...you and others who routinely post lies and distortions typically ignore this salient consideration...these Zionists literally obliterate your arguments!

(Bottom Line Up Front)

In nearly every discussion, the HoAP presentation is a form of coercion aimed against the political independence or territorial integrity of Israel,

The HoAP, will attempt to promote and create international pressures that are intended to do irreparable harm to the Jewish State and trigger a collapse; all under the color of law.

The HoAP intend to create barriers that will obstruct the protection and preservation of the Jewish National Home.

(COMMENT)

There is little question that the State of Israel, after more than three-quarters of a century under the threat of --- or actual use of force (including that proscribed by law) has made mistakes; in procedure, legally, morally and even ethically. I do not think that anyone actually argues that this is not true. But, having said that, there is no question that the HoAP should bear the weight of the prolonged and mutual hostility, and asymmetric violent assaults.

The HoAP and others that lend support to the HoAP, under color of any law or resolution, willfully subjects the Jewish State, Territory, Possession, to the deprivation of any rights (including the "right to self-determination" and territorial integrity), privileges, secured or protected through the defense and preservation of it culture, people and religion --- should be dealt with severely.

The HoAP have been, and continue to be involved with acts of violence, including all acts of terror, provocation, incitement and other types of destructive --- encouraged by the thoughtlessness of others. No nation or people have some special right to incitement others to commit terrorist acts. The Arab Palestinians, especially, have no right to indulge in Jihadism, Fedayeen Action, Hostile Insurgency Operations, Radicalized Islamic Behaviors, and Asymmetric Violence --- no matter the reason or cause.

Most Respectfully,
R

Wow, I don't even know where to start with this one.

For sure it is one of your slime the Palestinians posts.

Answer this Tinmore:

According to the Palestinian Arab side Zionist Jews were only the ones who came from Europe.

If that is what the Palestinian Arabs knew about the Zionists which was not acceptable to them as a foreign colonizing group, then why weren't Mizrahi and Sepharadic Jews in Palestine, and in the new Arab countries let be?

Why were all the Mizrahi and Sepharadic Jews in TransJordan attacked, murdered or expelled from TranJordan in 1925?

From Hebron in 1929?

From Palestine between 1936 and 1939?

From Iraq, the Farhoud, in 1941 by the Palestinian Arab leader, Husseini?

From all of Judea, Samaria, including the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem in 1948?

The converted Jews, according to the Arabs, were the European ones.
Why attack, murder or expel all other Jews?
Why go into another country, Iraq, and start riots against non European Jews over there?
Why have Arab Palestinians never differentiated the Jews who came from Europe from the Mizrahi or Sepharadic Jews?


What is your answer to that ?
Do any of your sources say anything about it? One word?

You would have to ask all of those other countries. The Palestinians had nothing to do with that.

As for what happened in Palestine, the Zionist colonial project "poisoned the well" for non Zionist Jews.

Your conspiracy theories really aren’t helpful.

 

[Sixties Fan]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
※→ Ventura77, et al,

I try not to paint with broad brush strokes. Your intention is to call everyone that holds a pro-Israeli view, a liar.

"you and others who routinely post lies and distortions typically ignore this salient consideration...these Zionists literally obliterate your arguments!"
​

I'm not sure that you understand the underlying point: Palestinians have demonstrated over time that any trust placed in them to follow "Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States" is lacking any temporal confidence. And to suggest that there is an over arching conspiracy to defraud the Arab-Palestinians is a thought process heavily influenced by anxiety, fear, and often delusion and irrationality.

"Zionists who conspired against the majority Arab population"​

The thought process often express here by the Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) present delusions that are specifically associated with symptom of psychosis of an almost unique to HoAP; "bizarrely" misrepresentations in content; a consistent urge to project the image that any pro-Israel stance is a fixed false beliefs that involve situations that could potentially occur in real life.

Rocco, you endeavor to make the issue considerably more complex and vague than it actually was: The Zionists who conspired against the majority Arab population of Historic Palestine essentially conceded all of the main points that critics of Israel employ against propaganda-parrots...the scathing irony is that your argument is inexorably with people like Theodore Herzl...Hiam Weitzman...Begin...Dayan...Rabin...Ben Gurion...Jabotinsky...etc. I cannot overestimate this point...you and others who routinely post lies and distortions typically ignore this salient consideration...these Zionists literally obliterate your arguments!

(Bottom Line Up Front)

In nearly every discussion, the HoAP presentation is a form of coercion aimed against the political independence or territorial integrity of Israel,

The HoAP, will attempt to promote and create international pressures that are intended to do irreparable harm to the Jewish State and trigger a collapse; all under the color of law.

The HoAP intend to create barriers that will obstruct the protection and preservation of the Jewish National Home.

(COMMENT)

There is little question that the State of Israel, after more than three-quarters of a century under the threat of --- or actual use of force (including that proscribed by law) has made mistakes; in procedure, legally, morally and even ethically. I do not think that anyone actually argues that this is not true. But, having said that, there is no question that the HoAP should bear the weight of the prolonged and mutual hostility, and asymmetric violent assaults.

The HoAP and others that lend support to the HoAP, under color of any law or resolution, willfully subjects the Jewish State, Territory, Possession, to the deprivation of any rights (including the "right to self-determination" and territorial integrity), privileges, secured or protected through the defense and preservation of it culture, people and religion --- should be dealt with severely.

The HoAP have been, and continue to be involved with acts of violence, including all acts of terror, provocation, incitement and other types of destructive --- encouraged by the thoughtlessness of others. No nation or people have some special right to incitement others to commit terrorist acts. The Arab Palestinians, especially, have no right to indulge in Jihadism, Fedayeen Action, Hostile Insurgency Operations, Radicalized Islamic Behaviors, and Asymmetric Violence --- no matter the reason or cause.

Most Respectfully,
R

Wow, I don't even know where to start with this one.

For sure it is one of your slime the Palestinians posts.

Answer this Tinmore:

According to the Palestinian Arab side Zionist Jews were only the ones who came from Europe.

If that is what the Palestinian Arabs knew about the Zionists which was not acceptable to them as a foreign colonizing group, then why weren't Mizrahi and Sepharadic Jews in Palestine, and in the new Arab countries let be?

Why were all the Mizrahi and Sepharadic Jews in TransJordan attacked, murdered or expelled from TranJordan in 1925?

From Hebron in 1929?

From Palestine between 1936 and 1939?

From Iraq, the Farhoud, in 1941 by the Palestinian Arab leader, Husseini?

From all of Judea, Samaria, including the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem in 1948?

The converted Jews, according to the Arabs, were the European ones.
Why attack, murder or expel all other Jews?
Why go into another country, Iraq, and start riots against non European Jews over there?
Why have Arab Palestinians never differentiated the Jews who came from Europe from the Mizrahi or Sepharadic Jews?


What is your answer to that ?
Do any of your sources say anything about it? One word?

You would have to ask all of those other countries. The Palestinians had nothing to do with that.

As for what happened in Palestine, the Zionist colonial project "poisoned the well" for non Zionist Jews.

Are you telling me that the Arabs could not tell the European Jews, nearly arrived to Palestine, from the Mizrahi and Sepharadic Jews who had also been there for a long time?

How can that be when I am usually reading How European the Zionist Jews from Europe look?

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
※→ Ventura77, et al,

Yeah yeah yeah, What particular crime by statute is IIsrael in violation?

Once again you are completely in error...Israel does not have 'territorial integrity' to the obvious extent that the state is a criminal occupier...

(COMMENT)

If Israel has no "territorial Integrity," (which would be great --- but damn incorrect) then that is all the better. I F Israel is contained holey with the territory formerly under the Mandate, T H E N the conflict between the Israelis and the Arab Palestinians takes on the complexion of a NIAC (Civil War) which by definition is a "Domestic Issues" (contained entirely in one jurisdiction).

Nothing contained in the present Charter shall authorize the United Nations to intervene in matters which are essentially within the domestic jurisdiction of any state or shall require the Members to submit such matters to settlement under the present Charter; but this principle shall not prejudice the application of enforcement measures under Chapter Vll.

But, the territorial integrity, at least as the West Bank and Gaza Strip Hostile Arab Palestinians are concerned are established by Treaty:

√ Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan and the State of Israel (the "Parties")

​

√ Arab Republic of Egypt and the State of Israel (the "Parties)

​

※ Special Note of applicability: Article V: Declaration of Principles on Interim Self-Government Arrangements

Transitional period and permanent status negotiations:
1. The five-year transitional period will begin upon the withdrawal from the Gaza Strip and Jericho area.

2. Permanent status negotiations will commence as soon as possible, but not later than the beginning of the third year of the interim period, between the Government of Israel and the Palestinian people's representatives.

3. It is understood that these negotiations shall cover remaining issues, including: Jerusalem, refugees, settlements, security arrangements, borders, relations and co-operation with other neighbours, and other issues of common interest.

4. The two parties agree that the outcome of the permanent status negotiations should not be prejudiced or pre-empted by agreements reached for the interim period.
​

you play the same blame game that is consciously wound through the spools of Zionist propaganda...to refer to the ridiculously unbalanced resistance of the Palestinians as 'terrorism' and the actions of Israel as legitimate is essentially to flip the roles of victims and aggressors.

(COMMENT)

Balanced -- Unbalanced makes no difference. Tactically speaking, I don't know what that means. What I do know is that since the establishment of the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) historically there has been a escalating pattern of antisocial and criminal behavior perpetrated by the Palestinians --- premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against soft targets by subnational groups or by small cells of covert operators that engage in indiscriminate rocket launchings, psychopathic attacks on the defenseless, hijackings and skyjackings, kidnappings and murders, bombings, arson, and --- with growth in the expanding menu of attack options..

Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAP) Jihadist, Fedayeen Operators, Hostile Insurgents, Radicalized Islamist, and other Asymmetric fighters out to commit a level of violence in a coercive manner to achieve objectives that they were unable to achieve through peaceful means.

• Produce widesrpead fear
• Obtain worldwide, national, or local recognition for their cause by attracting the attention of the media
• Harass, weaken, or embarrass government security forces so that the the government overreacts and appears repressive
• Steal or extort money and equipment, especially weapons and ammunition vital to the operation of their group
• Destroy facilities or disrupt lines of communication in order to create doubt that the government can provide for and protect its citizens
• Discourage foreign investments, tourism, or assistance programs that can affect the target country's economy and support of the government in power
• Influence government decisions, legislation, or other critical decisions
• Free prisoners
• Satisfy vengeance

The Jews continue to brazenly steal Palestinian lands and build networks of illegal Jewish settlements---thereby deliberately inciting violence and the laughable claim that 'we Jews are under attack by Arab terrorists'...this argument will invariably go back to the documented public statements of leading 20th century Zionists, who were quite frank in their intent and its predicted consequences...

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Are you absolutely sure that Israel is not operating withing the framework of the agreement. And if Israel was coloring outside the lines, would it have not been in the best interest of the HoAP to work through the Dispute Resolution Process? But the record show that the PLO did not bring this to the Dispute Process even once in all this time.
https://unispal.un.org/DPA/DPR/unis...d91c90a304f06ea4052564e60048c213?OpenDocument

Israeli-Palestinian Interim Agreement on the West Bank and the Gaza Strip

Chapter 2, Article XI 3c, Israeli-Palestinian Interim Agreement on the West Bank and the Gaza Strip: "Area C" means areas of the West Bank outside Areas A and B, which, except for the issues that will be negotiated in the permanent status negotiations, will be gradually transferred to Palestinian jurisdiction in accordance with this Agreement.

Chapter 2, Article XII 5: " For the purpose of this Agreement, "the Settlements" means, in the West Bank - the settlements in Area C; and in the Gaza Strip - the Gush Katif and Erez settlement areas, as well as the other settlements in the Gaza Strip, as shown on attached map No. 2."
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Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

When we talk about land and its sovereignty TODAY, we have to look at the Political Map of Israel as it is controlled today,

Notice that there is no border around Gaza or the West Bank.

So the propaganda term of "into Israel" has a strange meaning.

Both Hamas and Israel know exactly where the border is .

Both Hamas and Egypt know where their border is as well.

Well, there is an international border between Gaza and Egypt that was established in 1906.

Link, please.

The southwestern border of Palestine with Egypt dates back to the late 19th century. Originally, this border was drawn up on a de facto basis, as the Ottoman Empire recognized Egypt’s autonomy.27 Formally, however, two border agreements between the Ottoman Empire and Egypt were reached in 1906. The first came in the form of an Exchange of Notes between Britain [which was controlling Egypt since 1882] and Turkey relative to the Maintenance of the Status Quo in the Sinai Peninsula, signed in Constantinople on 14 May.28 The second and more detailed border agreement, was the Agreement between Egypt and Turkey for the fixing of an Administrative Line between the Vilayet [province] of Hejaz and the Governorate [district] of Jerusalem and the Sinai Peninsula, signed in Rafah, on 1 October.29 The separation of Egypt from Turkey (Palestine, in this instance), as of 5 November 1914, was ultimately recognized by the 1923 Treaty of Lausanne.

Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine and Israel