Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2

[Hollie]

At you might expect, the pally Islamic terrorist franchises are falling over themselves praising the Israeli gee-had attack. This is predictable as the background to this latest attack is the constant incitement by the pal terrorists against Jews and Israel.

Palestinian terror groups praise ‘heroic’ Tel Aviv attack, but don’t claim credit

No Palestinian faction takes responsibility for shooting spree that left 2 dead, wounded at least 10; Hamas says 'resistance' against Israel is 'continuing and escalating'

www.timesofisrael.com

Palestinian terror groups celebrated an apparent terror attack in Tel Aviv on Thursday night, but none of them took responsibility for the shooting spree that left two dead and others fighting for their lives.

The Hamas terror group called the attack a “heroic operation” and vowed that “resistance” against Israel “is continuing and escalating.”

 

[Ropey]

Ramadan in Israel... just means more "Palestinians" acting like Arab terrorists.

Wait! That's what they are.

 

[P F Tinmore]

At you might expect, the pally Islamic terrorist franchises are falling over themselves praising the Israeli gee-had attack. This is predictable as the background to this latest attack is the constant incitement by the pal terrorists against Jews and Israel.

Palestinian terror groups praise ‘heroic’ Tel Aviv attack, but don’t claim credit

No Palestinian faction takes responsibility for shooting spree that left 2 dead, wounded at least 10; Hamas says 'resistance' against Israel is 'continuing and escalating'

www.timesofisrael.com

Palestinian terror groups celebrated an apparent terror attack in Tel Aviv on Thursday night, but none of them took responsibility for the shooting spree that left two dead and others fighting for their lives.

The Hamas terror group called the attack a “heroic operation” and vowed that “resistance” against Israel “is continuing and escalating.”

Israel needs to stop its war.

 

[Hollie]

The Islamic holy month of killing and maiming ended abruptly for the pally gee-had warrior who killed and injured Israelis. The pally ''holiday'' seems to be viewed as an excuse to let out their inner 7th century sociopath.

Lovely folks with a lovely ''religion''.

Israeli forces hunt down and kill Palestinian sought over deadly attack on Tel Aviv bar

Officials say the man with no clear affiliation to any terror group entered Israel illegally from the occupied West Bank before shooting into the crowded bar, killing 2.

www.cbsnews.com

Jerusalem — Israeli security forces early Friday hunted down and killed a Palestinian man who had opened fire into a crowded bar in central Tel Aviv, killing two and wounding over 10 in an attack that caused scenes of mass panic in the heart of the bustling city. It was the fourth deadly attack in Israel by Palestinians in three weeks, and came at a time of heightened tensions around the start of the Islamic holy month of Ramadan.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
SUBTOPIC: War Ownership
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF:
.....◈ There is NO paradoxical "cause and continuation" (cNc) of the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict.
.....◈ There is NO stalemate in the "decades-long" Israeli-Paestinian Conflict.
.....◈ There is NO question on the "Ownership" of the Conflict.
.....◈ The Arab Palestinians are not peers with the Israelis.

Israel needs to stop its war.

(COMMENT)
It is NOT Israels war!

There is no Paradox to the "cause and continuation" of the conflict. The UN Yearbook 1947-1948 discloses this observation. While anyone can write an expose', the size of the Encyclopedia Britannica, on the "cause," the continuation of the conflict rests clearly on the shoulders of the Arab Palestinians.

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There is no "stalemate" in the conflict. The Arab Palestinian Leadership makes it abundantly clear, the scope and nature of the conflict. No Arab Palestinian need even ask this question of ownership and continuation.

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The Arab Palestinians are NOT a peer group to the Israelis. The Arab Palestinians have not once, established a sovereignty in peace since 1948 (in fact, I cannot find that the Arab Palestinians have ever had sovereignty over anything other than Area "A"). The Arab Palestinians present a threat to peace and make that an unambiguous political position:

◈ The Arabs of Palestine will never recognize the validity of the extorted partition recommendations or the authority of the United Nations to make them.​

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◈ The Arabs of Palestine consider that any attempt by the Jews or any power group of powers to establish a Jewish state in Arab territory is an act of aggression which will be resisted in self-defense.​

​

◈ It is very unwise and fruitless to ask any commission to proceed to Palestine because not a single Arab will cooperate with the said Commission.​

​

◈ The United Nations or its Commission should not be misled to believe that its efforts in the partition plan will meet with any success. It will be far better for the eclipsed prestige of this organization not to start on this adventure.​

​

◈ The United Nations prestige will be better served by abandoning, not enforcing such an injustice.​

​

◈ The determination of every Arab in Palestine is to oppose in every way the partition of that country.​

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◈ The Arabs of Palestine made a solemn declaration before the United Nations, before God and history, that they will never submit or yield to any power going to Palestine to enforce partition. The only way to establish partition is first to wipe them out — man, woman and child.​

The post 1967 Six-Day War demarcations for the West Bank and Jerusalem (as adjusted) were established in the 1994 Treaty with Jordan. For political purposes, the Jordanians ended their part in the 1948 war.

Hardly a week goes by that the Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAP) do not make some kind of threat, incite further hatred, or engage in violence; all violations of the Covenant on Civil and Political Rights. While the HoAP claim to be the victim, they actually are the school yard bully that starts a fight and then runs behind the skirts of the UN and International Media when they get slapped.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
SUBTOPIC: War Ownership
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF:
.....◈ There is NO paradoxical "cause and continuation" (cNc) of the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict.
.....◈ There is NO stalemate in the "decades-long" Israeli-Paestinian Conflict.
.....◈ There is NO question on the "Ownership" of the Conflict.
.....◈ The Arab Palestinians are not peers with the Israelis.


(COMMENT)
It is NOT Israels war!

There is no Paradox to the "cause and continuation" of the conflict. The UN Yearbook 1947-1948 discloses this observation. While anyone can write an expose', the size of the Encyclopedia Britannica, on the "cause," the continuation of the conflict rests clearly on the shoulders of the Arab Palestinians.

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There is no "stalemate" in the conflict. The Arab Palestinian Leadership makes it abundantly clear, the scope and nature of the conflict. No Arab Palestinian need even ask this question of ownership and continuation.

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​

The Arab Palestinians are NOT a peer group to the Israelis. The Arab Palestinians have not once, established a sovereignty in peace since 1948 (in fact, I cannot find that the Arab Palestinians have ever had sovereignty over anything other than Area "A"). The Arab Palestinians present a threat to peace and make that an unambiguous political position:

◈ The Arabs of Palestine will never recognize the validity of the extorted partition recommendations or the authority of the United Nations to make them.​

​

◈ The Arabs of Palestine consider that any attempt by the Jews or any power group of powers to establish a Jewish state in Arab territory is an act of aggression which will be resisted in self-defense.​

​

◈ It is very unwise and fruitless to ask any commission to proceed to Palestine because not a single Arab will cooperate with the said Commission.​

​

◈ The United Nations or its Commission should not be misled to believe that its efforts in the partition plan will meet with any success. It will be far better for the eclipsed prestige of this organization not to start on this adventure.​

​

◈ The United Nations prestige will be better served by abandoning, not enforcing such an injustice.​

​

◈ The determination of every Arab in Palestine is to oppose in every way the partition of that country.​

​

◈ The Arabs of Palestine made a solemn declaration before the United Nations, before God and history, that they will never submit or yield to any power going to Palestine to enforce partition. The only way to establish partition is first to wipe them out — man, woman and child.​

The post 1967 Six-Day War demarcations for the West Bank and Jerusalem (as adjusted) were established in the 1994 Treaty with Jordan. For political purposes, the Jordanians ended their part in the 1948 war.

Hardly a week goes by that the Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAP) do not make some kind of threat, incite further hatred, or engage in violence; all violations of the Covenant on Civil and Political Rights. While the HoAP claim to be the victim, they actually are the school yard bully that starts a fight and then runs behind the skirts of the UN and International Media when they get slapped.

Most Respectfully,
R

◈ The United Nations or its Commission should not be misled to believe that its efforts in the partition plan will meet with any success. It will be far better for the eclipsed prestige of this organization not to start on this adventure.

◈ The United Nations prestige will be better served by abandoning, not enforcing such an injustice.

It is true that the UN abandoned that stupid plan. However, there are still lies floating around about the UN creating Israel.

The Zionists used that resolution to start the Nakba in December of 1947. About 300,000 Palestinians were expelled from their homes before any Arab army entered Palestine. That attack continues to today.

 

[P F Tinmore]

TODAY THEY TOOK MY SON (Short Film)​

 

[Hollie]

It is true that the UN abandoned that stupid plan. However, there are still lies floating around about the UN creating Israel.

The Zionists used that resolution to start the Nakba in December of 1947. About 300,000 Palestinians were expelled from their homes before any Arab army entered Palestine. That attack continues to today.

Link?

Of course not.

 

[Hollie]

After two years of tenuous relations with Israel, Jordan's King Abdullah seems to be warming to strengthening relations with Israel.

In that part of the world, dialogue and trade relations make for a bit more calm, especially considering Jordan is saddled with a Pal problem.

Redirect Notice

President Isaac Herzog walked into history this week as he strode, to the sound of honor guard bugles, down the red carpet laid out across Al Husseiniya Palace, in Amman, to meet King Abdullah II

 

[P F Tinmore]

Link?

Of course not.

Though May 15, 1948, became the official day for commemorating the Nakba, armed Zionist groups had launched the process of displacement of Palestinians much earlier. In fact, by May 15, half of the total number of Palestinian refugees had already been forcefully expelled from their country.

The Nakba did not start or end in 1948

Key facts and figures on the ethnic cleansing of Palestine.

www.aljazeera.com

 

[Hollie]

Though May 15, 1948, became the official day for commemorating the Nakba, armed Zionist groups had launched the process of displacement of Palestinians much earlier. In fact, by May 15, half of the total number of Palestinian refugees had already been forcefully expelled from their country.

The Nakba did not start or end in 1948

Key facts and figures on the ethnic cleansing of Palestine.

www.aljazeera.com

A self-titled "Activist" site.

 

[Hollie]

I think there is some clarification needed with regard to claims of attacks by islamic terrorist “lone wolves”. The recent gee-had attacks were committed by a single individual but were a result of a program of indoctrination that began during childhood. It's not as though these sociopaths suddenly and inexplicably chose to become psychotic killers with no external influences or overarching ideology prompting their actions.

Additionally, the weapons used by the attacker didnt appear by magic. Their gee-had begins at birth and they're groomed through their pre-teen years to believe that their death by way of mass murder / suicide in the act of killing Jews will yield carnal rewards.

https://www.israelhayom.com/opinions/lone-wolves-are-part-of-a-murderous-mental-pack/

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Though May 15, 1948, became the official day for commemorating the Nakba, armed Zionist groups had launched the process of displacement of Palestinians much earlier. In fact, by May 15, half of the total number of Palestinian refugees had already been forcefully expelled from their country.

The Nakba did not start or end in 1948

Key facts and figures on the ethnic cleansing of Palestine.

www.aljazeera.com

No kidding. Pally whining is never ending.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
SUBTOPIC: War Ownership
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Those statements (supra) were quotes from the early JAN 1948 Response to the invitation to join the UN Palestine Commission in the development of self-governing institutions. It was the "rejection" the Arab Palestinians made.

It is true that the UN abandoned that stupid plan. However, there are still lies floating around about the UN creating Israel.

The Zionists used that resolution to start the Nakba in December of 1947. About 300,000 Palestinians were expelled from their homes before any Arab army entered Palestine. That attack continues to today.

(COMMENT)

As far as the sound bite "Nakba" is concerned, both sides say the side initiated the conflict. This was tantamount to "conflict for territorial control between opposing groups with the same nationality".

It is important for the Arab Palestinians to believe that the Israelis seized the territory (an attack). It makes it artificially appear that the Arab Palestinians were the victims. And the continued accusations ("That attack continues to today.") caused further alterations in the demarcations over time. The Arab Palestinians want the historical record of the territory to reflect the Jewish People were the aggressors and the Arab Palestinians were the victims that lost sovereign territory.

While the hands of the Israeli have not been perfectly clean over the last 100 years, since the Palestine Order in Council, the total lack of cooperation, by the Arab Palestinian, and the violence that invariably trailed their path through this interminable turmoil directly lead to the unbroken century of hostile activity. When the Hashemite Kingdom abandoned its holdings west of the Jordan River (1988), the Arab Palestinians formed a more complex network to amplify their level of violence.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
SUBTOPIC: War Ownership
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Those statements (supra) were quotes from the early JAN 1948 Response to the invitation to join the UN Palestine Commission in the development of self-governing institutions. It was the "rejection" the Arab Palestinians made.


(COMMENT)

As far as the sound bite "Nakba" is concerned, both sides say the side initiated the conflict. This was tantamount to "conflict for territorial control between opposing groups with the same nationality".

It is important for the Arab Palestinians to believe that the Israelis seized the territory (an attack). It makes it artificially appear that the Arab Palestinians were the victims. And the continued accusations ("That attack continues to today.") caused further alterations in the demarcations over time. The Arab Palestinians want the historical record of the territory to reflect the Jewish People were the aggressors and the Arab Palestinians were the victims that lost sovereign territory.

While the hands of the Israeli have not been perfectly clean over the last 100 years, since the Palestine Order in Council, the total lack of cooperation, by the Arab Palestinian, and the violence that invariably trailed their path through this interminable turmoil directly lead to the unbroken century of hostile activity. When the Hashemite Kingdom abandoned its holdings west of the Jordan River (1988), the Arab Palestinians formed a more complex network to amplify their level of violence.

Most Respectfully,
R

This was tantamount to "conflict for territorial control between opposing groups with the same nationality".

No it wasn't. It was an attack on the natives by a settler colonial project.

 

[Hollie]

I'm afraid the usual strategy of watching its citizens being killed and then responding with a sound bite is being employed by Israel. It's a formula that doesn't work.

Israeli PM vows to 'fight terrorism with a heavy hand' after Palestinian gunman attack

Israel's premier, Naftali Bennett, pledges to "fight terrorism with a heavy hand" to curb surging violence, after the latest deadly attack in Tel Aviv saw a Palestinian gunman kill two men in a busy bar.

news.yahoo.com

Israel's premier, Naftali Bennett, pledges to "fight terrorism with a heavy hand" to curb surging violence, after the latest deadly attack in Tel Aviv saw a Palestinian gunman kill two men in a busy bar.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
SUBTOPIC: War Ownership
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

You do not understand what the term "settler-colonial project" meant in the very late 19th Century and early 20th Century. We've discussed this before. The Covenants related to anti-colonialism do not only materialize until the late 20th Century.

No it wasn't. It was an attack on the natives by a settler colonial project.

(COMMENT)

And, as I said, the Arab Palestinians must rewrite history to make themselves out to be the victim.

It is sometimes a simple substitution. The "natives" were actually the inhabitants of the Occupied Enemy Territory under the Administration (EOTA) British government. By 1920, the EOTA was replaced by a civil administration. The Allied Powers to which the territory became the focus of the Palestine Order in Council on that territory relinquished to the Allied Powers.

No matter what you have convinced yourself to believe (and how I know you like to use the term "illegal") the Mandate Authority operated inside the customary law at the time. The actions taken by the Mandate Authority were sanctioned by the Allied Powers with the appropriate oversight by the League of Nations.

Included in the Mandate from the Allied Powers were the directives to:

.....◈. establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people
.....◈. facilitate Jewish immigration under suitable conditions and shall encourage
.....◈. development of selfgoverning institutions

IF you want to call it "an attack on the natives by a settler-colonial project" THEN so be it. But that is the intentional misrepresentation of the facts.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

It is sometimes a simple substitution. The "natives" were actually the inhabitants of the Occupied Enemy Territory under the Administration (EOTA) British government. By 1920, the EOTA was replaced by a civil administration.

Does that mean that the natives became different people?

 

[Sixties Fan]

 

[Hollie]

Some anti gee-had operations underway by the IDF. With the recent Islamic terrorist attacks being an indication of more excitable Islamic terrorist franchises, it's time to use some preventative medicine for the gee-had disease.

One dead in Israel army raid on Palestinian refugee camp: officials

Israeli security forces shot dead a Palestinian on Saturday in the West Bank refugee camp of Jenin, home of the gunman behind a recent deadly Tel Aviv attack, the Palestinian health ministry said.

www.france24.com

Israeli security forces shot dead a Palestinian on Saturday in the West Bank refugee camp of Jenin, home of the gunman behind a recent deadly Tel Aviv attack, the Palestinian health ministry said.


The Israeli army told AFP a military operation was ongoing in the Jenin camp, a stronghold of Palestinian armed factions in the north of the occupied West Bank.
The Palestinian health ministry said five others were wounded in Jenin by Israeli gunfire.
Saturday's raid comes a day after Israel said it had killed Raad Hazem, 28, the alleged gunman who went on a shooting spree Thursday in a popular nightlife district of Tel Aviv, killing three Israelis and wounding more than a dozen others.