Who are the Israelis?

[theliq]

So, what does that have to do with the Palestinians starting violence?

Everything. The Hamas charter is a blueprint for war and violence directed at Israel.

What about the decades of Israeli violence before there was a Hamas?

Then it was the PLO, the Muslim Brotherhood, the mufti terrorists, nomadic warlords that were the ones instigating the violence against the Jews. There is not one instance of the Jews pre-meditated and violent attack on the arab muslims.


So hamas was formed in the 1930's under another name, show the israeli violence before this date

You UTTER LYING BITCH

LOST THE PLOT AGAIN WHEN FACED WITH THE TRUTH

MMMEEEEEEE NEVER

 

[theliq]

You are starting in the middle.

Took me a while to figure out what you meant. You are implying that all Palestinian violence is "caused" by the mere presence of Jews.

Thus if a Jew walks onto the Temple Mount. And a Palestinian throws a rock at him. And the IDF arrests the Palestinian. And a riot ensues - its all the Jews fault for being present on the Temple Mount.

Its Abbas' filthy feet argument. If you would just get your filthy Jewish feet away from me then I wouldn't have to kill you.

No, you haven't been paying attention.

Yes we have and this is exactly what you mean. The rocks are stockpiled, meaning the violence is pre-meditated leading to the onus being placed on the head of the arab muslims

YOUR UTTER GUTTER LYING BITCH

You just cant handle the truth can you

You Have No Truth Bitch

 

[theliq]

Not one gun. Not one rocket. Not one fighter.
Just Israel bombing the crap out of civilians.

Wow. Your double standard is ASTOUNDING. You mean to tell me that every single time, of tens of thousands of times, Hamas has fired a rocket at Israel that it was because they saw and were aiming at a gun, or a rocket or a fighter? Come ON!
The nerve of you to hold only one side to such exacting standards!

Now, don't get me wrong. I think we should hold exacting standards. But they have to apply to both sides. You can't argue that Israel has to follow these exacting rules while Hamas can do whatever it pleases without consequence.

Pick a standard and hold both sides to it.

Israel and the Palestinians use the same standard.

Israel fires in the direction of the rockets.

The Palestinians fire in the direction of the tanks and airplanes.

Get it right as even they say they fire in the direction of Israeli children for the propaganda value. Israel has exact co-ordinates for the rocket firing positions and hit within 100 meters of those targets.

Sad bastard how is it 100 times more Palestinian children have been slaughtered by Jews than Palestinians have killed Jewish children......you FCUK WIT......

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Yes, I think you forgot to answer the question. I know you meant to, it just escaped your mind.

Does this eloquent comeback actually answer the question?

• What did the Arab Palestinians expect, blah, blah, blah.

You and your Israeli propaganda crap.

(COMMENT)

Answer the questions...

Most Respectfully,
R

Sure, the Palestinian are responding to Israel's never ending brutal war.

(COMMENT)

Going bac to Posting #508:

• What did the Arab Palestinians expect as a consequence to their Jihadism, Deadly Fedayeen Action, Hostile Insurgency Operations, Radicalized Islamic Behaviors, and Asymmetric Violence that they directed at the Israelis?

• Did they just think that the Arab Palestinians could launch 4000 rockets into Israel with no response?

• Did they think that they could conduct infiltrations and attacks into Israeli sovereign territory with no response?

• Did the think they could attack at will, kidnap and murder as they please, and not expect a response?
​

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Phoenall]

Everything. The Hamas charter is a blueprint for war and violence directed at Israel.

What about the decades of Israeli violence before there was a Hamas?

Then it was the PLO, the Muslim Brotherhood, the mufti terrorists, nomadic warlords that were the ones instigating the violence against the Jews. There is not one instance of the Jews pre-meditated and violent attack on the arab muslims.


So hamas was formed in the 1930's under another name, show the israeli violence before this date

You UTTER LYING BITCH

LOST THE PLOT AGAIN WHEN FACED WITH THE TRUTH

MMMEEEEEEE NEVER

Keep to the topic or be reported

 

[Phoenall]

Took me a while to figure out what you meant. You are implying that all Palestinian violence is "caused" by the mere presence of Jews.

Thus if a Jew walks onto the Temple Mount. And a Palestinian throws a rock at him. And the IDF arrests the Palestinian. And a riot ensues - its all the Jews fault for being present on the Temple Mount.

Its Abbas' filthy feet argument. If you would just get your filthy Jewish feet away from me then I wouldn't have to kill you.

No, you haven't been paying attention.

Yes we have and this is exactly what you mean. The rocks are stockpiled, meaning the violence is pre-meditated leading to the onus being placed on the head of the arab muslims

YOUR UTTER GUTTER LYING BITCH

You just cant handle the truth can you

You Have No Truth Bitch

Of topic name calling again

 

[Phoenall]

Not one gun. Not one rocket. Not one fighter.
Just Israel bombing the crap out of civilians.

Wow. Your double standard is ASTOUNDING. You mean to tell me that every single time, of tens of thousands of times, Hamas has fired a rocket at Israel that it was because they saw and were aiming at a gun, or a rocket or a fighter? Come ON!
The nerve of you to hold only one side to such exacting standards!

Now, don't get me wrong. I think we should hold exacting standards. But they have to apply to both sides. You can't argue that Israel has to follow these exacting rules while Hamas can do whatever it pleases without consequence.

Pick a standard and hold both sides to it.

Israel and the Palestinians use the same standard.

Israel fires in the direction of the rockets.

The Palestinians fire in the direction of the tanks and airplanes.

Get it right as even they say they fire in the direction of Israeli children for the propaganda value. Israel has exact co-ordinates for the rocket firing positions and hit within 100 meters of those targets.

Sad bastard how is it 100 times more Palestinian children have been slaughtered by Jews than Palestinians have killed Jewish children......you FCUK WIT......

Of topic deflection because the truth hurts

 

[P F Tinmore]

Not one gun. Not one rocket. Not one fighter.
Just Israel bombing the crap out of civilians.

Caution, reality.

If one illegal weapon was discharged from that are then it is a valid military target under international law. Over half of gaza is open land where hamas could fire their illegal weapons without putting civilians in he line of fire, this is why hamas is seen as the cause of the civilian deaths.


But this means you are defending islamonazi terrorism so you look for ways out of the hole you keep digging

More Israeli talking points.

Is that all you have?

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Does this eloquent comeback actually answer the question?

• What did the Arab Palestinians expect, blah, blah, blah.

You and your Israeli propaganda crap.

(COMMENT)

Answer the questions...

Most Respectfully,
R

Sure, the Palestinian are responding to Israel's never ending brutal war.

The Israeli's have never declared war on the arab muslims, so how is it Israel's war. It is the palestinians that are engaging in a brutal war against Israeli women and children because they are cowards

You don't need to declare war to bomb the crap out of civilians.

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Yes, I think you forgot to answer the question. I know you meant to, it just escaped your mind.

Does this eloquent comeback actually answer the question?

• What did the Arab Palestinians expect, blah, blah, blah.

You and your Israeli propaganda crap.

(COMMENT)

Answer the questions...

Most Respectfully,
R

Sure, the Palestinian are responding to Israel's never ending brutal war.

(COMMENT)

Going bac to Posting #508:

• What did the Arab Palestinians expect as a consequence to their Jihadism, Deadly Fedayeen Action, Hostile Insurgency Operations, Radicalized Islamic Behaviors, and Asymmetric Violence that they directed at the Israelis?

• Did they just think that the Arab Palestinians could launch 4000 rockets into Israel with no response?

• Did they think that they could conduct infiltrations and attacks into Israeli sovereign territory with no response?

• Did the think they could attack at will, kidnap and murder as they please, and not expect a response?
​

Most Respectfully,
R

There you go back to the Palestinians having no right to defend themselves.

 

[Phoenall]

Not one gun. Not one rocket. Not one fighter.
Just Israel bombing the crap out of civilians.

Caution, reality.

If one illegal weapon was discharged from that are then it is a valid military target under international law. Over half of gaza is open land where hamas could fire their illegal weapons without putting civilians in he line of fire, this is why hamas is seen as the cause of the civilian deaths.


But this means you are defending islamonazi terrorism so you look for ways out of the hole you keep digging

More Israeli talking points.

Is that all you have?

Never heard a Jew talking about these facts, but have seen many non Jews talking about them and asking why the arab muslims are allowed to get away with doing it.

All you have is islamonazi propaganda, talking points and lies

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Does this eloquent comeback actually answer the question?

• What did the Arab Palestinians expect, blah, blah, blah.

You and your Israeli propaganda crap.

(COMMENT)

Answer the questions...

Most Respectfully,
R

Sure, the Palestinian are responding to Israel's never ending brutal war.

The Israeli's have never declared war on the arab muslims, so how is it Israel's war. It is the palestinians that are engaging in a brutal war against Israeli women and children because they are cowards

You don't need to declare war to bomb the crap out of civilians.

And when has Israel bombed the crap out of civilians, seeing as they gave up their status the second they became human shields. This is why you cant answer the request to show they are civilians when Israel bombs military targets ?

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Yes, I think you forgot to answer the question. I know you meant to, it just escaped your mind.

Does this eloquent comeback actually answer the question?

• What did the Arab Palestinians expect, blah, blah, blah.

You and your Israeli propaganda crap.

(COMMENT)

Answer the questions...

Most Respectfully,
R

Sure, the Palestinian are responding to Israel's never ending brutal war.

(COMMENT)

Going bac to Posting #508:

• What did the Arab Palestinians expect as a consequence to their Jihadism, Deadly Fedayeen Action, Hostile Insurgency Operations, Radicalized Islamic Behaviors, and Asymmetric Violence that they directed at the Israelis?

• Did they just think that the Arab Palestinians could launch 4000 rockets into Israel with no response?

• Did they think that they could conduct infiltrations and attacks into Israeli sovereign territory with no response?

• Did the think they could attack at will, kidnap and murder as they please, and not expect a response?
​

Most Respectfully,
R

There you go back to the Palestinians having no right to defend themselves.

Firing illegal weapons into Israel, engaging in terrorist attacks and violence against unarmed children is not the palestinians defending themselves. THEY ARE WAR CRIMES and CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY that are also breached of international laws and the Geneva conventions

 

[Shusha]

There you go back to the Palestinians having no right to defend themselves.

Palestinians are not being attacked. There is nothing to defend themselves FROM.

There is nothing about rocket attacks which will ensure the safety and security of the Gazan people. (The opposite is true). Nor are these attacks intended to ensure the safety and security of the Gazan people. There is no military objective here. They are intended to create political pressure on Israel and to demonize her response -- with the ultimate goal of destroying a sovereign State. There is nothing about destroying a sovereign State which is "self-defence".

 

[P F Tinmore]

There you go back to the Palestinians having no right to defend themselves.

Palestinians are not being attacked. There is nothing to defend themselves FROM.

There is nothing about rocket attacks which will ensure the safety and security of the Gazan people. (The opposite is true). Nor are these attacks intended to ensure the safety and security of the Gazan people. There is no military objective here. They are intended to create political pressure on Israel and to demonize her response -- with the ultimate goal of destroying a sovereign State. There is nothing about destroying a sovereign State which is "self-defence".

It is Israel's war. They have always been the aggressor.

 

[Phoenall]

There you go back to the Palestinians having no right to defend themselves.

Palestinians are not being attacked. There is nothing to defend themselves FROM.

There is nothing about rocket attacks which will ensure the safety and security of the Gazan people. (The opposite is true). Nor are these attacks intended to ensure the safety and security of the Gazan people. There is no military objective here. They are intended to create political pressure on Israel and to demonize her response -- with the ultimate goal of destroying a sovereign State. There is nothing about destroying a sovereign State which is "self-defence".

It is Israel's war. They have always been the aggressor.

Who invaded the land granted to the Jews as their national home in 1948 ?

 

[Shusha]

It is Israel's war. They have always been the aggressor.

Sure. Same old argument. The existence of Israel (the self-determination of the Jewish people) is an aggression. The presence of Jewish people is an aggression.

You are not advocating self-defense -- you are advocating for the oppression of a people based on their ethnicity and religion.

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I think you missed it here.

The Israeli's have never declared war on the arab muslims, so how is it Israel's war. It is the palestinians that are engaging in a brutal war against Israeli women and children because they are cowards

You don't need to declare war to bomb the crap out of civilians.

(COMMENT)

War is a generic term. There are only two kinds of war:

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The notion that a formal declaration is a political custom, but not a requirement by law. In the case of the Arab Palestinians, the act of aggression by the Arab League in the name of the Palestinians, in 1949 was enough. That opened hostilities and initiated an International Armed Conflict (IAC) that never ended.

It was an Non-international Armed Conflict prior to 15 May 1948, and transitioned to a IAC on the forced introduction of external coalition forces on 15 May 1948.

Any attempts to bring closure to the IAC perpetuated by the Arab Palestinians has met with negative results. While it is commonly claimed that the Arab Palestinians want peace, their actions dictate otherwise.

There is absolutely no evidence to support that the lifting of Occupation Security Countermeasures over the area currently identified by the Israeli government to be outside Israeli Sovereignty, would bring an outcome of peace from the Arab Palestinians. It did not in the past and it has been should that withdrawal efforts only result in a growth in Jihadism, Deadly Fedayeen Action, Hostile Insurgency Operations, Radicalized Islamic Behaviors, and Asymmetric Violence.

The Arab Palestinian have no reason to think that they have some special dispensation to conduct hostile actions against the state integrity, the citizens and the culture of Israel AND NOT expect an Article 51 response. The people of Israel - exercising their instincts for self preservation and national sovereignty will take such actions, in the face of extraordinary events and deadly threats from the Arab Palestinians, to preserve and protect its culture, its sovereignty and its people. This is totally independent of any Color of Law that the international community may paint in order to suppress and dominate the Jewish People and deconstruct the Jewish National Home.

I think you will find, that the Israelis do not really care if the Arab Palestinians want to twist the intent of the Balfour Declaration, the intent of the Allied Powers to put into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, ignore the intent of the San Remo agreement to secure the establishment of the Jewish National Home, mangle the recommendations of Resolution 181, to totally mutilate the intent of the authors in Resolution 242, or attempt to justify the use of bombings, kidnap and murder, assaults and ambushes, hijacking and piracy, the massacre of Olympic contestants, and the intentional targeting of the unarmed and the innocent. The bottom line is, that the Majority Rule that used the power of law and religion to historically persecute them in the past --- is over. Now that the Jewish People have a place outside the malfeasance of the International Community (Political and Religious) they will not tolerate the “Tyranny of the Majority” to set the conditions for the destruction by compressing the Jewish National Home into indefensible borders. (Just My Thought!)

MostRespectfully,
R

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Yes, if you choose to interpret it that way. A myopic view.

There you go back to the Palestinians having no right to defend themselves.

(COMMENT)

Article 68, Fourth Geneva Convention

The Arab Palestinian may take any measure they want. But they should be prepared for the consequence of breaking the law. As long as they can deal with the consequence, I guess it makes no difference.

BUT, they should not cry, whine and blubber about the pain and agony they suffer if they consistently take such actions as to warrant retaliation in kind.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I think you missed it here.

The Israeli's have never declared war on the arab muslims, so how is it Israel's war. It is the palestinians that are engaging in a brutal war against Israeli women and children because they are cowards

You don't need to declare war to bomb the crap out of civilians.

(COMMENT)

War is a generic term. There are only two kinds of war:

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The notion that a formal declaration is a political custom, but not a requirement by law. In the case of the Arab Palestinians, the act of aggression by the Arab League in the name of the Palestinians, in 1949 was enough. That opened hostilities and initiated an International Armed Conflict (IAC) that never ended.

It was an Non-international Armed Conflict prior to 15 May 1948, and transitioned to a IAC on the forced introduction of external coalition forces on 15 May 1948.

Any attempts to bring closure to the IAC perpetuated by the Arab Palestinians has met with negative results. While it is commonly claimed that the Arab Palestinians want peace, their actions dictate otherwise.

There is absolutely no evidence to support that the lifting of Occupation Security Countermeasures over the area currently identified by the Israeli government to be outside Israeli Sovereignty, would bring an outcome of peace from the Arab Palestinians. It did not in the past and it has been should that withdrawal efforts only result in a growth in Jihadism, Deadly Fedayeen Action, Hostile Insurgency Operations, Radicalized Islamic Behaviors, and Asymmetric Violence.

The Arab Palestinian have no reason to think that they have some special dispensation to conduct hostile actions against the state integrity, the citizens and the culture of Israel AND NOT expect an Article 51 response. The people of Israel - exercising their instincts for self preservation and national sovereignty will take such actions, in the face of extraordinary events and deadly threats from the Arab Palestinians, to preserve and protect its culture, its sovereignty and its people. This is totally independent of any Color of Law that the international community may paint in order to suppress and dominate the Jewish People and deconstruct the Jewish National Home.

I think you will find, that the Israelis do not really care if the Arab Palestinians want to twist the intent of the Balfour Declaration, the intent of the Allied Powers to put into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, ignore the intent of the San Remo agreement to secure the establishment of the Jewish National Home, mangle the recommendations of Resolution 181, to totally mutilate the intent of the authors in Resolution 242, or attempt to justify the use of bombings, kidnap and murder, assaults and ambushes, hijacking and piracy, the massacre of Olympic contestants, and the intentional targeting of the unarmed and the innocent. The bottom line is, that the Majority Rule that used the power of law and religion to historically persecute them in the past --- is over. Now that the Jewish People have a place outside the malfeasance of the International Community (Political and Religious) they will not tolerate the “Tyranny of the Majority” to set the conditions for the destruction by compressing the Jewish National Home into indefensible borders. (Just My Thought!)

MostRespectfully,
R

Is the foreign, colonial domination imposed on a local population by force the initial aggression in war?