Who are the Israelis?

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Well, this is a trick question.

Is the foreign, colonial domination imposed on a local population by force the initial aggression in war?

(COMMENT - BASIC THUMBNAIL)

From the time of the Mudros Armistice (1918), the territory in question formerly of the Ottoman Empire, was subject to Occupied Enemy Territory Administration (OETA). In mid-1920, the territory in question came under the Civil Administration under the Mandate as agreed upon by the Allied Powers at San Remo.

There was no invasion or occupation during the Civil Administration authorized by the Allied Powers (have title and rights) until the attack by the combined forces of the Arab League (15 May 1948). The Jordanians Occupied the West Bank and the Egyptians Occupied the Gaza Strip; as outlined in the Armistice Agreements.

Now I'm sure you are going to Fold, Spindle and Mutilate the reality to fit you vision of reality. The fact of the matter is that the sovereign power of the Ottoman Empire/Turkish Republic renounced "all rights and title whatsoever over or respecting the territories situated outside the frontiers" of Turkey --- to the Allied Powers. So, the Allied Powers cannot invade or occupy itself. And under the "Title and Rights" --- the Allied Powers can invite immigration into the former occupied enemy territory.

Now I'm sure you are going to ignore this basic truth. But that is to be expected. It was a characteristic noted in 100 years ago, and it is the same characteristic we can observe today; some of right here in this discussion group.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[montelatici]

The Jews should not think that they have special dispensation to maintain colonial rule over the native Muslim and Christian people of Palestine because of the oppression they suffered at the hands of fellow Europeans. Nor should they think that the European's decision to expropriate the native people of Palestine to the benefit of the Jews, through declarations and treaties whose intent was to evict and expropriate the native people of Palestine makes the Zionist invasion and colonization of Palestine any more legal than the German invasion and colonization of Sudetenland.

The Palestinians are not going anywhere and the world will not support the continued oppression of the native people of Palestine by the Jews. The recent UN resolution will be followed by others, and even if vetoed by the U.S., the rest of the world will take actions, analogous to the ones taken by the world (minus Britain and the US initially) against Apartheid South Africa. Eventually, even with the U.S. as an ally, the Jews will have to take a decision similar to that of the white South Africans. You can't have a minority ruling over a growing majority forever.

 

[montelatici]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Well, this is a trick question.

Is the foreign, colonial domination imposed on a local population by force the initial aggression in war?

(COMMENT - BASIC THUMBNAIL)

From the time of the Mudros Armistice (1918), the territory in question formerly of the Ottoman Empire, was subject to Occupied Enemy Territory Administration (OETA). In mid-1920, the territory in question came under the Civil Administration under the Mandate as agreed upon by the Allied Powers at San Remo.

There was no invasion or occupation during the Civil Administration authorized by the Allied Powers (have title and rights) until the attack by the combined forces of the Arab League (15 May 1948). The Jordanians Occupied the West Bank and the Egyptians Occupied the Gaza Strip; as outlined in the Armistice Agreements.

Now I'm sure you are going to Fold, Spindle and Mutilate the reality to fit you vision of reality. The fact of the matter is that the sovereign power of the Ottoman Empire/Turkish Republic renounced "all rights and title whatsoever over or respecting the territories situated outside the frontiers" of Turkey --- to the Allied Powers. So, the Allied Powers cannot invade or occupy itself. And under the "Title and Rights" --- the Allied Powers can invite immigration into the former occupied enemy territory.

Now I'm sure you are going to ignore this basic truth. But that is to be expected. It was a characteristic noted in 100 years ago, and it is the same characteristic we can observe today; some of right here in this discussion group.

Most Respectfully,
R

The Arab League a regional international organization intervened in an attempt to prevent the European Jews from killing and evicting the native people of Palestine. The Arab League did not enter the Jewish sector, nearly all the fighting occurred in the Arab and International sectors where the European had invaded. For example, the European Jews had laid siege to Jaffa (within the Arab sector) a month or more before the Partition plan was approved. Jaffa was forced to surrender to the European Jews days before the Israeli declaration of independence and long before the Arab Leagues intervention. You are blowing smoke and propaganda Rocco. The Jews were the murderous, hostile aggressors.

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Well, this is a trick question.

Is the foreign, colonial domination imposed on a local population by force the initial aggression in war?

(COMMENT - BASIC THUMBNAIL)

From the time of the Mudros Armistice (1918), the territory in question formerly of the Ottoman Empire, was subject to Occupied Enemy Territory Administration (OETA). In mid-1920, the territory in question came under the Civil Administration under the Mandate as agreed upon by the Allied Powers at San Remo.

There was no invasion or occupation during the Civil Administration authorized by the Allied Powers (have title and rights) until the attack by the combined forces of the Arab League (15 May 1948). The Jordanians Occupied the West Bank and the Egyptians Occupied the Gaza Strip; as outlined in the Armistice Agreements.

Now I'm sure you are going to Fold, Spindle and Mutilate the reality to fit you vision of reality. The fact of the matter is that the sovereign power of the Ottoman Empire/Turkish Republic renounced "all rights and title whatsoever over or respecting the territories situated outside the frontiers" of Turkey --- to the Allied Powers. So, the Allied Powers cannot invade or occupy itself. And under the "Title and Rights" --- the Allied Powers can invite immigration into the former occupied enemy territory.

Now I'm sure you are going to ignore this basic truth. But that is to be expected. It was a characteristic noted in 100 years ago, and it is the same characteristic we can observe today; some of right here in this discussion group.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[theliq]

Not one gun. Not one rocket. Not one fighter.
Just Israel bombing the crap out of civilians.

Wow. Your double standard is ASTOUNDING. You mean to tell me that every single time, of tens of thousands of times, Hamas has fired a rocket at Israel that it was because they saw and were aiming at a gun, or a rocket or a fighter? Come ON!
The nerve of you to hold only one side to such exacting standards!

Now, don't get me wrong. I think we should hold exacting standards. But they have to apply to both sides. You can't argue that Israel has to follow these exacting rules while Hamas can do whatever it pleases without consequence.

Pick a standard and hold both sides to it.

Israel and the Palestinians use the same standard.

Israel fires in the direction of the rockets.

The Palestinians fire in the direction of the tanks and airplanes.

Get it right as even they say they fire in the direction of Israeli children for the propaganda value. Israel has exact co-ordinates for the rocket firing positions and hit within 100 meters of those targets.

Sad bastard how is it 100 times more Palestinian children have been slaughtered by Jews than Palestinians have killed Jewish children......you FCUK WIT......

Of topic deflection because the truth hurts

How is this off Topic

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I think you missed it here.

The Israeli's have never declared war on the arab muslims, so how is it Israel's war. It is the palestinians that are engaging in a brutal war against Israeli women and children because they are cowards

You don't need to declare war to bomb the crap out of civilians.

(COMMENT)

War is a generic term. There are only two kinds of war:

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The notion that a formal declaration is a political custom, but not a requirement by law. In the case of the Arab Palestinians, the act of aggression by the Arab League in the name of the Palestinians, in 1949 was enough. That opened hostilities and initiated an International Armed Conflict (IAC) that never ended.

It was an Non-international Armed Conflict prior to 15 May 1948, and transitioned to a IAC on the forced introduction of external coalition forces on 15 May 1948.

Any attempts to bring closure to the IAC perpetuated by the Arab Palestinians has met with negative results. While it is commonly claimed that the Arab Palestinians want peace, their actions dictate otherwise.

There is absolutely no evidence to support that the lifting of Occupation Security Countermeasures over the area currently identified by the Israeli government to be outside Israeli Sovereignty, would bring an outcome of peace from the Arab Palestinians. It did not in the past and it has been should that withdrawal efforts only result in a growth in Jihadism, Deadly Fedayeen Action, Hostile Insurgency Operations, Radicalized Islamic Behaviors, and Asymmetric Violence.

The Arab Palestinian have no reason to think that they have some special dispensation to conduct hostile actions against the state integrity, the citizens and the culture of Israel AND NOT expect an Article 51 response. The people of Israel - exercising their instincts for self preservation and national sovereignty will take such actions, in the face of extraordinary events and deadly threats from the Arab Palestinians, to preserve and protect its culture, its sovereignty and its people. This is totally independent of any Color of Law that the international community may paint in order to suppress and dominate the Jewish People and deconstruct the Jewish National Home.

I think you will find, that the Israelis do not really care if the Arab Palestinians want to twist the intent of the Balfour Declaration, the intent of the Allied Powers to put into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, ignore the intent of the San Remo agreement to secure the establishment of the Jewish National Home, mangle the recommendations of Resolution 181, to totally mutilate the intent of the authors in Resolution 242, or attempt to justify the use of bombings, kidnap and murder, assaults and ambushes, hijacking and piracy, the massacre of Olympic contestants, and the intentional targeting of the unarmed and the innocent. The bottom line is, that the Majority Rule that used the power of law and religion to historically persecute them in the past --- is over. Now that the Jewish People have a place outside the malfeasance of the International Community (Political and Religious) they will not tolerate the “Tyranny of the Majority” to set the conditions for the destruction by compressing the Jewish National Home into indefensible borders. (Just My Thought!)

MostRespectfully,
R

Is the foreign, colonial domination imposed on a local population by force the initial aggression in war?

What foriegn colonial domination is that, give details of the originating nation funding the colonisation ?

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Well, this is a trick question.

Is the foreign, colonial domination imposed on a local population by force the initial aggression in war?

(COMMENT - BASIC THUMBNAIL)

From the time of the Mudros Armistice (1918), the territory in question formerly of the Ottoman Empire, was subject to Occupied Enemy Territory Administration (OETA). In mid-1920, the territory in question came under the Civil Administration under the Mandate as agreed upon by the Allied Powers at San Remo.

There was no invasion or occupation during the Civil Administration authorized by the Allied Powers (have title and rights) until the attack by the combined forces of the Arab League (15 May 1948). The Jordanians Occupied the West Bank and the Egyptians Occupied the Gaza Strip; as outlined in the Armistice Agreements.

Now I'm sure you are going to Fold, Spindle and Mutilate the reality to fit you vision of reality. The fact of the matter is that the sovereign power of the Ottoman Empire/Turkish Republic renounced "all rights and title whatsoever over or respecting the territories situated outside the frontiers" of Turkey --- to the Allied Powers. So, the Allied Powers cannot invade or occupy itself. And under the "Title and Rights" --- the Allied Powers can invite immigration into the former occupied enemy territory.

Now I'm sure you are going to ignore this basic truth. But that is to be expected. It was a characteristic noted in 100 years ago, and it is the same characteristic we can observe today; some of right here in this discussion group.

Most Respectfully,
R

The Arab League a regional international organization intervened in an attempt to prevent the European Jews from killing and evicting the native people of Palestine. The Arab League did not enter the Jewish sector, nearly all the fighting occurred in the Arab and International sectors where the European had invaded. For example, the European Jews had laid siege to Jaffa (within the Arab sector) a month or more before the Partition plan was approved. Jaffa was forced to surrender to the European Jews days before the Israeli declaration of independence and long before the Arab Leagues intervention. You are blowing smoke and propaganda Rocco. The Jews were the murderous, hostile aggressors.

What arab sector as they had denied any involvement with 181. The whole of the mandate was thus JEWISH

 

[theliq]

Israel and the Palestinians use the same standard.

Israel fires in the direction of the rockets.

The Palestinians fire in the direction of the tanks and airplanes.

Get it right as even they say they fire in the direction of Israeli children for the propaganda value. Israel has exact co-ordinates for the rocket firing positions and hit within 100 meters of those targets.

Sad bastard how is it 100 times more Palestinian children have been slaughtered by Jews than Palestinians have killed Jewish children......you FCUK WIT......

Of topic deflection because the truth hurts

How is this off Topic

Look at the thread heading idiot

Woke you up did I in down town Golders Green.....Looking out of your window at the Pissing Rain.Then you thought to yourself time to dish out more HATE to the Magnificent Liq....Pheo it's all water off a Ducks back to me...if it makes your Sad little life better...just carry on,with your Abuse,Hate and that Zionist Doctrine that has Fcuked your mind up.Viva Palestine....SAY NO TO RABID ZIONISM otherwise you could end up like the Pea Brain Pheonall!!!!!!by the way what the fcuk does Pheonall mean??

I've just researched......Pheo =Murky Gray...like one who lives in shadows

Nall=An Awl=Biblical=The Ear was pierced as being the Organ,thus signifying the servants promise of obedience.

So there you have it.......A Zionist who creeps in the shadows.....who has his Ear pierced to signify his Obedience to the Hateful Zionist Cult, Masters

Always thought you a bit weird Pheo and I was Right,Right,Right

 

[Phoenall]

Get it right as even they say they fire in the direction of Israeli children for the propaganda value. Israel has exact co-ordinates for the rocket firing positions and hit within 100 meters of those targets.

Sad bastard how is it 100 times more Palestinian children have been slaughtered by Jews than Palestinians have killed Jewish children......you FCUK WIT......

Of topic deflection because the truth hurts

How is this off Topic

Look at the thread heading idiot

Woke you up did I in down town Golders Green.....Looking out of your window at the Pissing Rain.Then you thought to yourself time to dish out more HATE to the Magnificent Liq....Pheo it's all water off a Ducks back to me...if it makes your Sad little life better...just carry on,with your Abuse,Hate and that Zionist Doctrine that has Fcuked your mind up.Viva Palestine....SAY NO TO RABID ZIONISM otherwise you could end up like the Pea Brain Pheonall!!!!!!by the way what the fcuk does Pheonall mean??

Snow actually, covering the land like a blanket. It is you that lives in the islamonazi ghetto called Golders Green.

 

[Challenger]

Now I'm sure you are going to Fold, Spindle and Mutilate the reality to fit you vision of reality. The fact of the matter is that the sovereign power of the Ottoman Empire/Turkish Republic renounced "all rights and title whatsoever over or respecting the territories situated outside the frontiers" of Turkey --- to the Allied Powers. So, the Allied Powers cannot invade or occupy itself. And under the "Title and Rights" --- the Allied Powers can invite immigration into the former occupied enemy territory.

Well I suppose that's one interpretation that could be put on article 16 which actually says.

"Turkey hereby renounces all rights and title whatsoever over or respecting the territories situated outside the frontiers laid down in the present Treaty and the islands other than those over which her sovereignty is recognised by the said Treaty, the future of these territories and islands being settled or to be settled by the parties concerned.

The provisions of the present Article do not prejudice any special arrangements arising from neighbourly relations which have been or may be concluded between Turkey and any limitrophe countries." Treaty of Lausanne - World War I Document Archive

Nowhere does it say "...to the allied powers", it says, "the future of these territories and islands being settled or to be settled by the parties concerned." Which can imply the indigenous populations excercising their right to self-determination. In fact the allied powers made a big song and dance about not acquiring "rights and title" with the creation of the Mandate system in which the various allied powers were merely temporary administrators, mentoring the native populations towards their ultimate independance from such "tutelage".

 

[montelatici]

Rocco makes things up. He is ill-prepared to debate issues such as these. He is so wrapped up in propaganda and partisanship, he is unable to comprehend the most basic written English. Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations can't be any clearer. It states, in part:

"ARTICLE 22.
To those colonies and territories which as a consequence of the late war have ceased to be under the sovereignty of the States which formerly governed them and which are inhabited by peoples not yet able to stand by themselves under the strenuous conditions of the modern world, there should be applied the principle that the well-being and development of such peoples form a sacred trust of civilisation and that securities for the performance of this trust should be embodied in this Covenant.

The best method of giving practical effect to this principle is that the tutelage of such peoples should be entrusted to advanced nations who by reason of their resources, their experience or their geographical position can best undertake this responsibility, and who are willing to accept it, and that this tutelage should be exercised by them as Mandatories on behalf of the League.

The character of the mandate must differ according to the stage of the development of the people, the geographical situation of the territory, its economic conditions and other similar circumstances.

Certain communities formerly belonging to the Turkish Empire have reached a stage of development where their existence as independent nations can be provisionally recognized subject to the rendering of administrative advice and assistance by a Mandatory until such time as they are able to stand alone. The wishes of these communities must be a principal consideration in the selection of the Mandatory."

Two elements formed the core of the Mandate System, the principle of non-annexation of the territory, and its administration as a “sacred trust of civilisation” . Very simple.

The principle of administration as a “sacred trust of civilisation” was designed to prevent the practice of imperial exploitation of the mandated territory in contrast to former colonial practice of transferring European populations to colonies for exploitative purposes. The Mandatory’s administration was to assist in developing the territory for the well-being of its native people.

What Rocco continuously fails to understand is that while sovereignty over the former territories (including Palestine) was removed from the Turkey, Mandatory powers, as set forth by the League of Nations, not sovereignty, were transferred to the selected Mandatory states.

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I think you missed it here.

The Israeli's have never declared war on the arab muslims, so how is it Israel's war. It is the palestinians that are engaging in a brutal war against Israeli women and children because they are cowards

You don't need to declare war to bomb the crap out of civilians.

(COMMENT)

War is a generic term. There are only two kinds of war:

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The notion that a formal declaration is a political custom, but not a requirement by law. In the case of the Arab Palestinians, the act of aggression by the Arab League in the name of the Palestinians, in 1949 was enough. That opened hostilities and initiated an International Armed Conflict (IAC) that never ended.

It was an Non-international Armed Conflict prior to 15 May 1948, and transitioned to a IAC on the forced introduction of external coalition forces on 15 May 1948.

Any attempts to bring closure to the IAC perpetuated by the Arab Palestinians has met with negative results. While it is commonly claimed that the Arab Palestinians want peace, their actions dictate otherwise.

There is absolutely no evidence to support that the lifting of Occupation Security Countermeasures over the area currently identified by the Israeli government to be outside Israeli Sovereignty, would bring an outcome of peace from the Arab Palestinians. It did not in the past and it has been should that withdrawal efforts only result in a growth in Jihadism, Deadly Fedayeen Action, Hostile Insurgency Operations, Radicalized Islamic Behaviors, and Asymmetric Violence.

The Arab Palestinian have no reason to think that they have some special dispensation to conduct hostile actions against the state integrity, the citizens and the culture of Israel AND NOT expect an Article 51 response. The people of Israel - exercising their instincts for self preservation and national sovereignty will take such actions, in the face of extraordinary events and deadly threats from the Arab Palestinians, to preserve and protect its culture, its sovereignty and its people. This is totally independent of any Color of Law that the international community may paint in order to suppress and dominate the Jewish People and deconstruct the Jewish National Home.

I think you will find, that the Israelis do not really care if the Arab Palestinians want to twist the intent of the Balfour Declaration, the intent of the Allied Powers to put into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, ignore the intent of the San Remo agreement to secure the establishment of the Jewish National Home, mangle the recommendations of Resolution 181, to totally mutilate the intent of the authors in Resolution 242, or attempt to justify the use of bombings, kidnap and murder, assaults and ambushes, hijacking and piracy, the massacre of Olympic contestants, and the intentional targeting of the unarmed and the innocent. The bottom line is, that the Majority Rule that used the power of law and religion to historically persecute them in the past --- is over. Now that the Jewish People have a place outside the malfeasance of the International Community (Political and Religious) they will not tolerate the “Tyranny of the Majority” to set the conditions for the destruction by compressing the Jewish National Home into indefensible borders. (Just My Thought!)

MostRespectfully,
R

Is the foreign, colonial domination imposed on a local population by force the initial aggression in war?

What foriegn colonial domination is that, give details of the originating nation funding the colonisation ?

The Zionists mooched British military. Other funding was mooched from various places around the world.

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I think you missed it here.

The Israeli's have never declared war on the arab muslims, so how is it Israel's war. It is the palestinians that are engaging in a brutal war against Israeli women and children because they are cowards

You don't need to declare war to bomb the crap out of civilians.

(COMMENT)

War is a generic term. There are only two kinds of war:

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The notion that a formal declaration is a political custom, but not a requirement by law. In the case of the Arab Palestinians, the act of aggression by the Arab League in the name of the Palestinians, in 1949 was enough. That opened hostilities and initiated an International Armed Conflict (IAC) that never ended.

It was an Non-international Armed Conflict prior to 15 May 1948, and transitioned to a IAC on the forced introduction of external coalition forces on 15 May 1948.

Any attempts to bring closure to the IAC perpetuated by the Arab Palestinians has met with negative results. While it is commonly claimed that the Arab Palestinians want peace, their actions dictate otherwise.

There is absolutely no evidence to support that the lifting of Occupation Security Countermeasures over the area currently identified by the Israeli government to be outside Israeli Sovereignty, would bring an outcome of peace from the Arab Palestinians. It did not in the past and it has been should that withdrawal efforts only result in a growth in Jihadism, Deadly Fedayeen Action, Hostile Insurgency Operations, Radicalized Islamic Behaviors, and Asymmetric Violence.

The Arab Palestinian have no reason to think that they have some special dispensation to conduct hostile actions against the state integrity, the citizens and the culture of Israel AND NOT expect an Article 51 response. The people of Israel - exercising their instincts for self preservation and national sovereignty will take such actions, in the face of extraordinary events and deadly threats from the Arab Palestinians, to preserve and protect its culture, its sovereignty and its people. This is totally independent of any Color of Law that the international community may paint in order to suppress and dominate the Jewish People and deconstruct the Jewish National Home.

I think you will find, that the Israelis do not really care if the Arab Palestinians want to twist the intent of the Balfour Declaration, the intent of the Allied Powers to put into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, ignore the intent of the San Remo agreement to secure the establishment of the Jewish National Home, mangle the recommendations of Resolution 181, to totally mutilate the intent of the authors in Resolution 242, or attempt to justify the use of bombings, kidnap and murder, assaults and ambushes, hijacking and piracy, the massacre of Olympic contestants, and the intentional targeting of the unarmed and the innocent. The bottom line is, that the Majority Rule that used the power of law and religion to historically persecute them in the past --- is over. Now that the Jewish People have a place outside the malfeasance of the International Community (Political and Religious) they will not tolerate the “Tyranny of the Majority” to set the conditions for the destruction by compressing the Jewish National Home into indefensible borders. (Just My Thought!)

MostRespectfully,
R

Is the foreign, colonial domination imposed on a local population by force the initial aggression in war?

What foriegn colonial domination is that, give details of the originating nation funding the colonisation ?

The Zionists mooched British military. Other funding was mooched from various places around the world.

And where is your evidence, all you have is hearsay and conjecture and no real evidence.


Any chance of meeting the criteria of the original request, which nation funded the colonisation ?

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I think you missed it here.

You don't need to declare war to bomb the crap out of civilians.

(COMMENT)

War is a generic term. There are only two kinds of war:

View attachment 106446
​

The notion that a formal declaration is a political custom, but not a requirement by law. In the case of the Arab Palestinians, the act of aggression by the Arab League in the name of the Palestinians, in 1949 was enough. That opened hostilities and initiated an International Armed Conflict (IAC) that never ended.

It was an Non-international Armed Conflict prior to 15 May 1948, and transitioned to a IAC on the forced introduction of external coalition forces on 15 May 1948.

Any attempts to bring closure to the IAC perpetuated by the Arab Palestinians has met with negative results. While it is commonly claimed that the Arab Palestinians want peace, their actions dictate otherwise.

There is absolutely no evidence to support that the lifting of Occupation Security Countermeasures over the area currently identified by the Israeli government to be outside Israeli Sovereignty, would bring an outcome of peace from the Arab Palestinians. It did not in the past and it has been should that withdrawal efforts only result in a growth in Jihadism, Deadly Fedayeen Action, Hostile Insurgency Operations, Radicalized Islamic Behaviors, and Asymmetric Violence.

The Arab Palestinian have no reason to think that they have some special dispensation to conduct hostile actions against the state integrity, the citizens and the culture of Israel AND NOT expect an Article 51 response. The people of Israel - exercising their instincts for self preservation and national sovereignty will take such actions, in the face of extraordinary events and deadly threats from the Arab Palestinians, to preserve and protect its culture, its sovereignty and its people. This is totally independent of any Color of Law that the international community may paint in order to suppress and dominate the Jewish People and deconstruct the Jewish National Home.

I think you will find, that the Israelis do not really care if the Arab Palestinians want to twist the intent of the Balfour Declaration, the intent of the Allied Powers to put into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, ignore the intent of the San Remo agreement to secure the establishment of the Jewish National Home, mangle the recommendations of Resolution 181, to totally mutilate the intent of the authors in Resolution 242, or attempt to justify the use of bombings, kidnap and murder, assaults and ambushes, hijacking and piracy, the massacre of Olympic contestants, and the intentional targeting of the unarmed and the innocent. The bottom line is, that the Majority Rule that used the power of law and religion to historically persecute them in the past --- is over. Now that the Jewish People have a place outside the malfeasance of the International Community (Political and Religious) they will not tolerate the “Tyranny of the Majority” to set the conditions for the destruction by compressing the Jewish National Home into indefensible borders. (Just My Thought!)

MostRespectfully,
R

Is the foreign, colonial domination imposed on a local population by force the initial aggression in war?

What foriegn colonial domination is that, give details of the originating nation funding the colonisation ?

The Zionists mooched British military. Other funding was mooched from various places around the world.

And where is your evidence, all you have is hearsay and conjecture and no real evidence.


Any chance of meeting the criteria of the original request, which nation funded the colonisation ?

Settler colonialism is not necessarily a national project.

 

[montelatici]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I think you missed it here.

The Israeli's have never declared war on the arab muslims, so how is it Israel's war. It is the palestinians that are engaging in a brutal war against Israeli women and children because they are cowards

You don't need to declare war to bomb the crap out of civilians.

(COMMENT)

War is a generic term. There are only two kinds of war:

View attachment 106446
​

The notion that a formal declaration is a political custom, but not a requirement by law. In the case of the Arab Palestinians, the act of aggression by the Arab League in the name of the Palestinians, in 1949 was enough. That opened hostilities and initiated an International Armed Conflict (IAC) that never ended.

It was an Non-international Armed Conflict prior to 15 May 1948, and transitioned to a IAC on the forced introduction of external coalition forces on 15 May 1948.

Any attempts to bring closure to the IAC perpetuated by the Arab Palestinians has met with negative results. While it is commonly claimed that the Arab Palestinians want peace, their actions dictate otherwise.

There is absolutely no evidence to support that the lifting of Occupation Security Countermeasures over the area currently identified by the Israeli government to be outside Israeli Sovereignty, would bring an outcome of peace from the Arab Palestinians. It did not in the past and it has been should that withdrawal efforts only result in a growth in Jihadism, Deadly Fedayeen Action, Hostile Insurgency Operations, Radicalized Islamic Behaviors, and Asymmetric Violence.

The Arab Palestinian have no reason to think that they have some special dispensation to conduct hostile actions against the state integrity, the citizens and the culture of Israel AND NOT expect an Article 51 response. The people of Israel - exercising their instincts for self preservation and national sovereignty will take such actions, in the face of extraordinary events and deadly threats from the Arab Palestinians, to preserve and protect its culture, its sovereignty and its people. This is totally independent of any Color of Law that the international community may paint in order to suppress and dominate the Jewish People and deconstruct the Jewish National Home.

I think you will find, that the Israelis do not really care if the Arab Palestinians want to twist the intent of the Balfour Declaration, the intent of the Allied Powers to put into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, ignore the intent of the San Remo agreement to secure the establishment of the Jewish National Home, mangle the recommendations of Resolution 181, to totally mutilate the intent of the authors in Resolution 242, or attempt to justify the use of bombings, kidnap and murder, assaults and ambushes, hijacking and piracy, the massacre of Olympic contestants, and the intentional targeting of the unarmed and the innocent. The bottom line is, that the Majority Rule that used the power of law and religion to historically persecute them in the past --- is over. Now that the Jewish People have a place outside the malfeasance of the International Community (Political and Religious) they will not tolerate the “Tyranny of the Majority” to set the conditions for the destruction by compressing the Jewish National Home into indefensible borders. (Just My Thought!)

MostRespectfully,
R

Is the foreign, colonial domination imposed on a local population by force the initial aggression in war?

What foriegn colonial domination is that, give details of the originating nation funding the colonisation ?

The Zionists mooched British military. Other funding was mooched from various places around the world.

The British government not only provided troops to impose the colonization of Palestine by the Zionists, the British government provided government funding and allocated land in Palestine for the European Jews. It was a traditional British colonial project, like Rhodesia.

"Successful Jewish Colonization Will Extend Beyond Palestine Frontier...............The proposals submitted by the Zionist Executive were favorably considered by the British government, emphasis was laid on the allocation of land for Jewish colonization in Beisan and in Southern Palestine. He believes that favorable results will follow shortly, Dr. Weizmann declared. A profound change in the attitude of British public opinion in favor of Zionist is noticeable,Dr. Weizmann declared, pointing to the debate which took place Wednesday in the House of Commons concerning the proposed £4,500,000 loan of the Palestine government. This debate in Commons demonstrated an earnest and benevolent attitude toward Zionism on the part of all parties."


Successful Jewish Colonization Will Extend Beyond Palestine Frontier, Weizmann Tells Actions Committ

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I think you missed it here.

(COMMENT)

War is a generic term. There are only two kinds of war:

View attachment 106446
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The notion that a formal declaration is a political custom, but not a requirement by law. In the case of the Arab Palestinians, the act of aggression by the Arab League in the name of the Palestinians, in 1949 was enough. That opened hostilities and initiated an International Armed Conflict (IAC) that never ended.

It was an Non-international Armed Conflict prior to 15 May 1948, and transitioned to a IAC on the forced introduction of external coalition forces on 15 May 1948.

Any attempts to bring closure to the IAC perpetuated by the Arab Palestinians has met with negative results. While it is commonly claimed that the Arab Palestinians want peace, their actions dictate otherwise.

There is absolutely no evidence to support that the lifting of Occupation Security Countermeasures over the area currently identified by the Israeli government to be outside Israeli Sovereignty, would bring an outcome of peace from the Arab Palestinians. It did not in the past and it has been should that withdrawal efforts only result in a growth in Jihadism, Deadly Fedayeen Action, Hostile Insurgency Operations, Radicalized Islamic Behaviors, and Asymmetric Violence.

The Arab Palestinian have no reason to think that they have some special dispensation to conduct hostile actions against the state integrity, the citizens and the culture of Israel AND NOT expect an Article 51 response. The people of Israel - exercising their instincts for self preservation and national sovereignty will take such actions, in the face of extraordinary events and deadly threats from the Arab Palestinians, to preserve and protect its culture, its sovereignty and its people. This is totally independent of any Color of Law that the international community may paint in order to suppress and dominate the Jewish People and deconstruct the Jewish National Home.

I think you will find, that the Israelis do not really care if the Arab Palestinians want to twist the intent of the Balfour Declaration, the intent of the Allied Powers to put into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, ignore the intent of the San Remo agreement to secure the establishment of the Jewish National Home, mangle the recommendations of Resolution 181, to totally mutilate the intent of the authors in Resolution 242, or attempt to justify the use of bombings, kidnap and murder, assaults and ambushes, hijacking and piracy, the massacre of Olympic contestants, and the intentional targeting of the unarmed and the innocent. The bottom line is, that the Majority Rule that used the power of law and religion to historically persecute them in the past --- is over. Now that the Jewish People have a place outside the malfeasance of the International Community (Political and Religious) they will not tolerate the “Tyranny of the Majority” to set the conditions for the destruction by compressing the Jewish National Home into indefensible borders. (Just My Thought!)

MostRespectfully,
R

Is the foreign, colonial domination imposed on a local population by force the initial aggression in war?

What foriegn colonial domination is that, give details of the originating nation funding the colonisation ?

The Zionists mooched British military. Other funding was mooched from various places around the world.

And where is your evidence, all you have is hearsay and conjecture and no real evidence.


Any chance of meeting the criteria of the original request, which nation funded the colonisation ?

Settler colonialism is not necessarily a national project.

Sorry but it is, that is why it is termed Settler Colonialism. So which nation funded the Settler Colonialism, or are you now stuck in the corner.

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I think you missed it here.

You don't need to declare war to bomb the crap out of civilians.

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War is a generic term. There are only two kinds of war:

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The notion that a formal declaration is a political custom, but not a requirement by law. In the case of the Arab Palestinians, the act of aggression by the Arab League in the name of the Palestinians, in 1949 was enough. That opened hostilities and initiated an International Armed Conflict (IAC) that never ended.

It was an Non-international Armed Conflict prior to 15 May 1948, and transitioned to a IAC on the forced introduction of external coalition forces on 15 May 1948.

Any attempts to bring closure to the IAC perpetuated by the Arab Palestinians has met with negative results. While it is commonly claimed that the Arab Palestinians want peace, their actions dictate otherwise.

There is absolutely no evidence to support that the lifting of Occupation Security Countermeasures over the area currently identified by the Israeli government to be outside Israeli Sovereignty, would bring an outcome of peace from the Arab Palestinians. It did not in the past and it has been should that withdrawal efforts only result in a growth in Jihadism, Deadly Fedayeen Action, Hostile Insurgency Operations, Radicalized Islamic Behaviors, and Asymmetric Violence.

The Arab Palestinian have no reason to think that they have some special dispensation to conduct hostile actions against the state integrity, the citizens and the culture of Israel AND NOT expect an Article 51 response. The people of Israel - exercising their instincts for self preservation and national sovereignty will take such actions, in the face of extraordinary events and deadly threats from the Arab Palestinians, to preserve and protect its culture, its sovereignty and its people. This is totally independent of any Color of Law that the international community may paint in order to suppress and dominate the Jewish People and deconstruct the Jewish National Home.

I think you will find, that the Israelis do not really care if the Arab Palestinians want to twist the intent of the Balfour Declaration, the intent of the Allied Powers to put into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, ignore the intent of the San Remo agreement to secure the establishment of the Jewish National Home, mangle the recommendations of Resolution 181, to totally mutilate the intent of the authors in Resolution 242, or attempt to justify the use of bombings, kidnap and murder, assaults and ambushes, hijacking and piracy, the massacre of Olympic contestants, and the intentional targeting of the unarmed and the innocent. The bottom line is, that the Majority Rule that used the power of law and religion to historically persecute them in the past --- is over. Now that the Jewish People have a place outside the malfeasance of the International Community (Political and Religious) they will not tolerate the “Tyranny of the Majority” to set the conditions for the destruction by compressing the Jewish National Home into indefensible borders. (Just My Thought!)

MostRespectfully,
R

Is the foreign, colonial domination imposed on a local population by force the initial aggression in war?

What foriegn colonial domination is that, give details of the originating nation funding the colonisation ?

The Zionists mooched British military. Other funding was mooched from various places around the world.

The British government not only provided troops to impose the colonization of Palestine by the Zionists, the British government provided government funding and allocated land in Palestine for the European Jews. It was a traditional British colonial project, like Rhodesia.

"Successful Jewish Colonization Will Extend Beyond Palestine Frontier...............The proposals submitted by the Zionist Executive were favorably considered by the British government, emphasis was laid on the allocation of land for Jewish colonization in Beisan and in Southern Palestine. He believes that favorable results will follow shortly, Dr. Weizmann declared. A profound change in the attitude of British public opinion in favor of Zionist is noticeable,Dr. Weizmann declared, pointing to the debate which took place Wednesday in the House of Commons concerning the proposed £4,500,000 loan of the Palestine government. This debate in Commons demonstrated an earnest and benevolent attitude toward Zionism on the part of all parties."


Successful Jewish Colonization Will Extend Beyond Palestine Frontier, Weizmann Tells Actions Committ

Just one mans words that you are taking out of context rather than admit you are wrong. When the whole house of cards come tumbling down you will be left with a massive loss of face and a worthless reputation

 

[P F Tinmore]

Is the foreign, colonial domination imposed on a local population by force the initial aggression in war?

What foriegn colonial domination is that, give details of the originating nation funding the colonisation ?

The Zionists mooched British military. Other funding was mooched from various places around the world.

And where is your evidence, all you have is hearsay and conjecture and no real evidence.


Any chance of meeting the criteria of the original request, which nation funded the colonisation ?

Settler colonialism is not necessarily a national project.

Sorry but it is, that is why it is termed Settler Colonialism. So which nation funded the Settler Colonialism, or are you now stuck in the corner.

There is a big difference between colonialism and settler colonialism.

 

[Hollie]

Rocco makes things up. He is ill-prepared to debate issues such as these. He is so wrapped up in propaganda and partisanship, he is unable to comprehend the most basic written English. Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations can't be any clearer. It states, in part:

"ARTICLE 22.
To those colonies and territories which as a consequence of the late war have ceased to be under the sovereignty of the States which formerly governed them and which are inhabited by peoples not yet able to stand by themselves under the strenuous conditions of the modern world, there should be applied the principle that the well-being and development of such peoples form a sacred trust of civilisation and that securities for the performance of this trust should be embodied in this Covenant.

The best method of giving practical effect to this principle is that the tutelage of such peoples should be entrusted to advanced nations who by reason of their resources, their experience or their geographical position can best undertake this responsibility, and who are willing to accept it, and that this tutelage should be exercised by them as Mandatories on behalf of the League.

The character of the mandate must differ according to the stage of the development of the people, the geographical situation of the territory, its economic conditions and other similar circumstances.

Certain communities formerly belonging to the Turkish Empire have reached a stage of development where their existence as independent nations can be provisionally recognized subject to the rendering of administrative advice and assistance by a Mandatory until such time as they are able to stand alone. The wishes of these communities must be a principal consideration in the selection of the Mandatory."

Two elements formed the core of the Mandate System, the principle of non-annexation of the territory, and its administration as a “sacred trust of civilisation” . Very simple.

The principle of administration as a “sacred trust of civilisation” was designed to prevent the practice of imperial exploitation of the mandated territory in contrast to former colonial practice of transferring European populations to colonies for exploitative purposes. The Mandatory’s administration was to assist in developing the territory for the well-being of its native people.

What Rocco continuously fails to understand is that while sovereignty over the former territories (including Palestine) was removed from the Turkey, Mandatory powers, as set forth by the League of Nations, not sovereignty, were transferred to the selected Mandatory states.

Well gee whiz, Monty. It's in good form to attribute the source your cutting and pasting rather than just plagiarize from wiki.

League of Nations mandate - Wikipedia

Two governing principles formed the core of the Mandate System, being non-annexation of the territory and its administration as a “sacred trust of civilisation” to develop the territory for the benefit of its native people.[2]

 

[P F Tinmore]

Two governing principles formed the core of the Mandate System, being non-annexation of the territory and its administration as a “sacred trust of civilisation” to develop the territory for the benefit of its native people.[2]

Indeed, those are the two core principles of the mandate system.

1. The mandates did not annex the territories. Palestine was a state separate from the Mandate.*
2. The Mandates held the territories in trust for the benefit of the people in their respective states.

*From your link:
A disagreement regarding the legal status and the portion of the annuities to be paid by the "A" mandates was settled when an Arbitrator ruled that some of the mandates contained more than one State:

The difficulty arises here how one is to regard the Asiatic countries under the British and French mandates. Iraq is a Kingdom in regard to which Great Britain has undertaken responsibilities equivalent to those of a Mandatory Power. Under the British mandate, Palestine and Transjordan have each an entirely separate organisation. We are, therefore, in the presence of three States sufficiently separate to be considered as distinct Parties. France has received a single mandate from the Council of the League of Nations, but in the countries subject to that mandate, one can distinguish two distinct States: Syria and the Lebanon, each State possessing its own constitution and a nationality clearly different from the other.[28]​