Who Are The Indigenous People Of Palestine?

[MJB12741]

Palestine had been invaded, conquered, and occupied many times. Palestine was a center for world trade for thousands of years. Many people came and left.

However, there is a core group of people who stayed and put down roots. Those are the people who built the place where they live.

Those people are the Palestinians.

While I have no argument that the invaders who stayed and put down roots are Palestinians and as such have rights to sovereignty in Palestine -- this is not the same as "indigenous".

No reasonable person can argue that the Jewish people aren't indigenous to Israel.

The question, as it relates to sovereignty, has always been whether or not a people removed from an indigenous territory retain their "belonging" to the indigenous group over generations.

Mexicans, then, would be indigenous to Texas and by your "logic" they could use the most advanced military equipment on earth to slaughter, evacuate and then enslave all the survivors.

Picture them building a damn wall around Dallas and then think how well that would work out.

Hey Louie. Tell those Zionists, was there an Israel before 1948?

 

[Shusha]

Mexicans, then, would be indigenous to Texas and by your "logic" they could use the most advanced military equipment on earth to slaughter, evacuate and then enslave all the survivors.

Picture them building a damn wall around Dallas and then think how well that would work out.

You took a really big leap there making assumptions about my beliefs. Being indigenous does not in any way permit a group to commit atrocities. (And no, Israel is not committing atrocities).

 

[MJB12741]

Mexicans, then, would be indigenous to Texas and by your "logic" they could use the most advanced military equipment on earth to slaughter, evacuate and then enslave all the survivors.

Picture them building a damn wall around Dallas and then think how well that would work out.

You took a really big leap there making assumptions about my beliefs. Being indigenous does not in any way permit a group to commit atrocities. (And no, Israel is not committing atrocities).

But what about Israel's peace offerings, security fence & land concessions keeping the Palestinians captives in Israel when all they want is to be free from Israel?

 

[Hollie]

The "West Bank" gets bombed regularly?

The boy is on a roll. Loosen the reins and we'll be entertained with louie'isms about Mongol, Turk and Roman Crusaders magically transforming into indigenous Arabs.

 

[louie888]

The "West Bank" gets bombed regularly?

The boy is on a roll. Loosen the reins and we'll be entertained with louie'isms about Mongol, Turk and Roman Crusaders magically transforming into indigenous Arabs.

You should be more concerned with Caucasian Europeans magically transforming into indigenous Semitic Jews.

 

[MJB12741]

The "West Bank" gets bombed regularly?

The boy is on a roll. Loosen the reins and we'll be entertained with louie'isms about Mongol, Turk and Roman Crusaders magically transforming into indigenous Arabs.

LOL! Yep, he is wonderful. What a relief from the real world of radical Islamist's killing us infidels all over the world.

 

[Eloy]

Mexicans, then, would be indigenous to Texas and by your "logic" they could use the most advanced military equipment on earth to slaughter, evacuate and then enslave all the survivors.

Picture them building a damn wall around Dallas and then think how well that would work out.

You took a really big leap there making assumptions about my beliefs. Being indigenous does not in any way permit a group to commit atrocities. (And no, Israel is not committing atrocities).

Apartheid Israel has been committing atrocities since its founding in 1948. It is a warlike racist state and there is unlikely to ever be peace there.

 

[MJB12741]

Mexicans, then, would be indigenous to Texas and by your "logic" they could use the most advanced military equipment on earth to slaughter, evacuate and then enslave all the survivors.

Picture them building a damn wall around Dallas and then think how well that would work out.

You took a really big leap there making assumptions about my beliefs. Being indigenous does not in any way permit a group to commit atrocities. (And no, Israel is not committing atrocities).

Apartheid Israel has been committing atrocities since its founding in 1948. It is a warlike racist state and there is unlikely to ever be peace there.

Wouldn't it be wonderful if those damn Zionists in Israel would start treating the Palestinians with the surrounding Arab country love, justice & respect the Palestinians are so well accustomed to --- And so well deserve?

 

[louie888]

The "West Bank" gets bombed regularly?

Here is one the the more famous ones and while the toll may have been less that the '67 slaughter, it it certainly in this discussion.

Read up:
Operation Defensive Shield: Witnesses to Israeli War Crimes: Muna Hamzeh, Todd May: 9780745320632: Amazon.com: Books

You took a really big leap there making assumptions about my beliefs. Being indigenous does not in any way permit a group to commit atrocities.(And no, Israel is not committing atrocities).

That wasn't any damn leap... it's your own "logic." And claiming "Israel is not committing atrocities" is worse than holocaust denial and shows what a low life you are.

 

[Eloy]

Mexicans, then, would be indigenous to Texas and by your "logic" they could use the most advanced military equipment on earth to slaughter, evacuate and then enslave all the survivors.

Picture them building a damn wall around Dallas and then think how well that would work out.

You took a really big leap there making assumptions about my beliefs. Being indigenous does not in any way permit a group to commit atrocities. (And no, Israel is not committing atrocities).

Apartheid Israel has been committing atrocities since its founding in 1948. It is a warlike racist state and there is unlikely to ever be peace there.

Wouldn't it be wonderful if those damn Zionists in Israel would start treating the Palestinians with the surrounding Arab country love, justice & respect the Palestinians are so well accustomed to --- And so well deserve?

Six of one and a half dozen of the other.

 

[Hollie]

Mexicans, then, would be indigenous to Texas and by your "logic" they could use the most advanced military equipment on earth to slaughter, evacuate and then enslave all the survivors.

Picture them building a damn wall around Dallas and then think how well that would work out.

You took a really big leap there making assumptions about my beliefs. Being indigenous does not in any way permit a group to commit atrocities. (And no, Israel is not committing atrocities).

Apartheid Israel has been committing atrocities since its founding in 1948. It is a warlike racist state and there is unlikely to ever be peace there.

Friday prayers at your madrassah must be loads of fun.

 

[MJB12741]

Mexicans, then, would be indigenous to Texas and by your "logic" they could use the most advanced military equipment on earth to slaughter, evacuate and then enslave all the survivors.

Picture them building a damn wall around Dallas and then think how well that would work out.

You took a really big leap there making assumptions about my beliefs. Being indigenous does not in any way permit a group to commit atrocities. (And no, Israel is not committing atrocities).

Apartheid Israel has been committing atrocities since its founding in 1948. It is a warlike racist state and there is unlikely to ever be peace there.

Friday prayers at your madrassah must be loads of fun.

Yes, while they face Jerusalem.

 

[Shusha]

The "West Bank" gets bombed regularly?

Here is one the the more famous ones and while the toll may have been less that the '67 slaughter, it it certainly in this discussion.

Read up:
Operation Defensive Shield: Witnesses to Israeli War Crimes: Muna Hamzeh, Todd May: 9780745320632: Amazon.com: Books

Oh, aren't you adorable. The only bombs in these events were the Palestinian suicide bombers and the booby traps laid by the Palestinians.

And your English lesson for today is to look up "regularly".

 

[Shusha]

That wasn't any damn leap... it's your own "logic." And claiming "Israel is not committing atrocities" is worse than holocaust denial and shows what a low life you are.

You just admitted that holocaust denial is bad. Good for you.

Defending innocent civilians is not equivalent to committing atrocities. I have criticisms of Israel, but the idea that they are committing atrocities like enslavement and genocide is patently ridiculous.

 

[MJB12741]

That wasn't any damn leap... it's your own "logic." And claiming "Israel is not committing atrocities" is worse than holocaust denial and shows what a low life you are.

You just admitted that holocaust denial is bad. Good for you.

Defending innocent civilians is not equivalent to committing atrocities. I have criticisms of Israel, but the idea that they are committing atrocities like enslavement and genocide is patently ridiculous.

Now hold on there. Consider documented facts. In 1948 there were approximately 1.2 million Palestinians living in Israel. And now there are only just over 6 million of them left.

Population Statistics - Israeli-Palestinian Conflict - ProCon.org

 

[louie888]

The "West Bank" gets bombed regularly?

Here is one the the more famous ones and while the toll may have been less that the '67 slaughter, it it certainly in this discussion.

Read up:
Operation Defensive Shield: Witnesses to Israeli War Crimes: Muna Hamzeh, Todd May: 9780745320632: Amazon.com: Books

Oh, aren't you adorable. The only bombs in these events were the Palestinian suicide bombers and the booby traps laid by the Palestinians.

And your English lesson for today is to look up "regularly".

Liar!

On March 29, 2002 the Israeli army launched Operation Defensive Shield, the largest military offensive against Palestinian civilians since the 1948 Arab-Israeli War. During the operation, the military used the most advanced weaponry at its disposal: Merkava tanks, Apache attack helicopters and F-15 fighter jets. When the operation ended on April 21, Israel had destroyed the Palestinian economic and social infrastructure, leveled large swathes of residential area, killed 220 people, injured hundreds more and arrested thousands.

This book documents these events through a collection of electronic witness narratives written by Palestinians who were under attack and by Israeli and international peace activists who witnessed the results of these attacks. Deeply moving and courageous, these narratives offer a uniquely powerful and intimate account of the daily reality for Palestinians who endured Ariel Sharon's military strategy, and the death and destruction that strategy has caused throughout the Occupied Territories.

Most important, the witnesses' voices bring to life the aggressive nature of this strategy -- they belie the noble motives ascribed to Sharon and those in his government and military who designed and carried it out. The editors argue that Operation Defensive Shield is a prelude to Israel's ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians. They provide historical context, a chronology, and an analysis of the conflict that situates the horror of these days in their proper perspective.

Operation Defensive Shield: Witnesses to Israeli War Crimes is an essential record for those who want to understand what happened in the West Bank in the spring of 2002, and what it portends for the future of the region.

https://www.amazon.com/Operation-Defensive-Shield-Witnesses-Israeli/dp/0745320635&tag=ff0d01-20

 

[louie888]

That wasn't any damn leap... it's your own "logic." And claiming "Israel is not committing atrocities" is worse than holocaust denial and shows what a low life you are.

You just admitted that holocaust denial is bad. Good for you.

Defending innocent civilians is not equivalent to committing atrocities. I have criticisms of Israel, but the idea that they are committing atrocities like enslavement and genocide is patently ridiculous.

Idiot.

Demolishing homes?

Torturing and imprisoning children?

Jew only roads and neighborhoods where Arab cities and towns were for centuries?

Stealing water?

Literally poisoning wells?

Murdering unborn babies at checkpoints because they would not let the mom get to a hospital?

Spraying raw sewage all over their neighborhoods?

Imprisoning over a million people in the largest concentration camp on earth? Bombing it regularly?

Killing UN workers, doctors and attacking ambulances?

Using Palestinian children as human shields?

Using false flag terrorism to get other nation's kids to fight there wars?

Need I continue? Look up atrocity and get back to me.

 

[Shusha]

A defensive military operation in direct response to terrorist actions which murdered 133 innocent Israeli citizens in a month. A successful military operation. With minimal loss of life.

 

[louie888]

That wasn't any damn leap... it's your own "logic." And claiming "Israel is not committing atrocities" is worse than holocaust denial and shows what a low life you are.

You just admitted that holocaust denial is bad. Good for you.

Defending innocent civilians is not equivalent to committing atrocities. I have criticisms of Israel, but the idea that they are committing atrocities like enslavement and genocide is patently ridiculous.

Now hold on there. Consider documented facts. In 1948 there were approximately 1.2 million Palestinians living in Israel. And now there are only just over 6 million of them left.

Population Statistics - Israeli-Palestinian Conflict - ProCon.org

And how many Jews were there before WWII and how many are here today?

 

[Shusha]

Demolishing homes?

Demolishing illegally built homes is standard practice all over the world. Private land ownership in Israel is complicated and employs Ottoman land law, Jordanian land law and Israeli law. Demolishing terrorists homes is collective punishment and I am highly critical of Israel for doing this.

Torturing and imprisoning children?
Jew only roads and neighborhoods where Arab cities and towns were for centuries?
Stealing water?
Literally poisoning wells?
Murdering unborn babies at checkpoints because they would not let the mom get to a hospital?
Spraying raw sewage all over their neighborhoods?
Imprisoning over a million people in the largest concentration camp on earth? Bombing it regularly?
Killing UN workers, doctors and attacking ambulances?
Using Palestinian children as human shields?
Using false flag terrorism to get other nation's kids to fight there wars?

False accusations, all. Some deserve further conversation with reasonable people. If Coyote or Humanity show up, I'll discuss with them.