Who and How: Progressives respond

[CrusaderFrank]

I've read that CEO's are evil, they make more than the average worker, etc. Please tell us specifically who these evil CEO's are that are holding you back and how they are doing it.

Try to be specific and use real life examples.

For example:

• Walmart is fucking me as a consumer because they provide a wide variety of reasonably priced produts
• Apple forced me to buy an iPhone and now I can't feed my kids
• My Landlord, who provides me a safe home, with heat in winter and AC in summer, makes me pay rent every month. Evil

How are evil CEO's and corporation making you a slave and/or upsetting you

 

[Socialist]

You fail to understand how progressives view these problems, CEO'S aren't inheritenly evil, however, the disturbing wealth gap, rampant inequality, destruction of the environment, exploitation of third world workers, and your attempting to add baseless rhetoric to actual problems, which is sad, but none the less, here we go. Most of walmart's products are tied back to horrid labor exploitation of the third world, their is a reason everything is so cheap, and walmart's workers are spit on, so that doesn't help.. Tell me more about the production process of Iphones, the mining needed, the horrid factory conditions, etc, etc.. The landlord concept isn't entirely relevant, although ownership of land in such a way is a redundant concept to me, as the only way anyone can assert land ownership is with a sort of violent overwatch, more so, this could be the state, but that's a different point entirely. As a "progressive" I critique these problems, while not going into the realm of baseless first world rhetoric.

 

[JoeB131]

How are evil CEO's and corporation making you a slave and/or upsetting you

Frank, we could explain it to you and you still wouldn't understand it.

Okay, WalMart and Apple are producing all that cheap shit in China. WHich means Americans aren't doing those jobs.

So, yeah, having a cheap apple phone might be nice, but it kind of sucks when you are struggling to put food on the table.

 

[S.J.]

You fail to understand how progressives view these problems, CEO'S aren't inheritenly evil, however, the disturbing wealth gap, rampant inequality, destruction of the environment, exploitation of third world workers, and your attempting to add baseless rhetoric to actual problems, which is sad, but none the less, here we go. Most of walmart's products are tied back to horrid labor exploitation of the third world, their is a reason everything is so cheap, and walmart's workers are spit on, so that doesn't help.. Tell me more about the production process of Iphones, the mining needed, the horrid factory conditions, etc, etc.. The landlord concept isn't entirely relevant, although ownership of land in such a way is a redundant concept to me, as the only way anyone can assert land ownership is with a sort of violent overwatch, more so, this could be the state, but that's a different point entirely. As a "progressive" I critique these problems, while not going into the realm of baseless first world rhetoric.

Do you drive a car, own a cell phone, wear clothes?

 

[Socialist]

You fail to understand how progressives view these problems, CEO'S aren't inheritenly evil, however, the disturbing wealth gap, rampant inequality, destruction of the environment, exploitation of third world workers, and your attempting to add baseless rhetoric to actual problems, which is sad, but none the less, here we go. Most of walmart's products are tied back to horrid labor exploitation of the third world, their is a reason everything is so cheap, and walmart's workers are spit on, so that doesn't help.. Tell me more about the production process of Iphones, the mining needed, the horrid factory conditions, etc, etc.. The landlord concept isn't entirely relevant, although ownership of land in such a way is a redundant concept to me, as the only way anyone can assert land ownership is with a sort of violent overwatch, more so, this could be the state, but that's a different point entirely. As a "progressive" I critique these problems, while not going into the realm of baseless first world rhetoric.

Do you drive a car, own a cell phone, wear clothes?

That really doesn't matter, because quite frankly, all of those products are made by laborers, not the capitalists. None the less, I can see where this is about to go, and it's idiotic.

 

[USNavyVet]

How are evil CEO's and corporation making you a slave and/or upsetting you

Frank, we could explain it to you and you still wouldn't understand it.

Okay, WalMart and Apple are producing all that cheap shit in China. WHich means Americans aren't doing those jobs.

So, yeah, having a cheap apple phone might be nice, but it kind of sucks when you are struggling to put food on the table.

Then move to China. Problem solved.

 

[JoeB131]

Then move to China. Problem solved.

How does that solve the problem? Are you some kind of retard?

 

[S.J.]

You fail to understand how progressives view these problems, CEO'S aren't inheritenly evil, however, the disturbing wealth gap, rampant inequality, destruction of the environment, exploitation of third world workers, and your attempting to add baseless rhetoric to actual problems, which is sad, but none the less, here we go. Most of walmart's products are tied back to horrid labor exploitation of the third world, their is a reason everything is so cheap, and walmart's workers are spit on, so that doesn't help.. Tell me more about the production process of Iphones, the mining needed, the horrid factory conditions, etc, etc.. The landlord concept isn't entirely relevant, although ownership of land in such a way is a redundant concept to me, as the only way anyone can assert land ownership is with a sort of violent overwatch, more so, this could be the state, but that's a different point entirely. As a "progressive" I critique these problems, while not going into the realm of baseless first world rhetoric.

Do you drive a car, own a cell phone, wear clothes?

That really doesn't matter, because quite frankly, all of those products are made by laborers, not the capitalists. None the less, I can see where this is about to go, and it's idiotic.

Translation: I'm about to be exposed for my hypocrisy so I'm gonna avoid the question.

 

[Socialist]

You fail to understand how progressives view these problems, CEO'S aren't inheritenly evil, however, the disturbing wealth gap, rampant inequality, destruction of the environment, exploitation of third world workers, and your attempting to add baseless rhetoric to actual problems, which is sad, but none the less, here we go. Most of walmart's products are tied back to horrid labor exploitation of the third world, their is a reason everything is so cheap, and walmart's workers are spit on, so that doesn't help.. Tell me more about the production process of Iphones, the mining needed, the horrid factory conditions, etc, etc.. The landlord concept isn't entirely relevant, although ownership of land in such a way is a redundant concept to me, as the only way anyone can assert land ownership is with a sort of violent overwatch, more so, this could be the state, but that's a different point entirely. As a "progressive" I critique these problems, while not going into the realm of baseless first world rhetoric.

Do you drive a car, own a cell phone, wear clothes?

That really doesn't matter, because quite frankly, all of those products are made by laborers, not the capitalists. None the less, I can see where this is about to go, and it's idiotic.

Translation: I'm about to be exposed for my hypocrisy so I'm gonna avoid the question.

Not at all, might aswell say you support child labor by utilizing cotton products. (Uzbekistan) Fuck, someone living under feudalism could claim this to defend it:
" All your pitchforks, swords, daggers, armor, and horses you own - that was created by the wonder of feudalism.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

So, basically, Progressives answer is that bringing quality products to the American marketplace is hurtful to the typical Progressive. Apple needs to pay the highest possible prices for their raw material and labor and only then will Progressives be happy?

 

[TheOldSchool]

So, basically, Progressives answer is that bringing quality products to the American marketplace is hurtful to the typical Progressive. Apple needs to pay the highest possible prices for their raw material and labor and only then will Progressives be happy?

There's a few million cheaper versions of you in India frank. Let's hope no one finds out.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

So, basically, Progressives answer is that bringing quality products to the American marketplace is hurtful to the typical Progressive. Apple needs to pay the highest possible prices for their raw material and labor and only then will Progressives be happy?

There's a few million cheaper versions of you in India frank. Let's hope no one finds out.

Fine with me. Let them post here at a fraction of what the Koch Brothers are paying me

 

[CrusaderFrank]

(Think Indian Accent) Hello, USMB, my name is... Sam and I am here to share my insights with the USMB community

 

[JoeB131]

So, basically, Progressives answer is that bringing quality products to the American marketplace is hurtful to the typical Progressive. Apple needs to pay the highest possible prices for their raw material and labor and only then will Progressives be happy?

Uh, what "quality products"? You mean the beads laced with roofies or the toys painted withe lead paint?

 

[JoeB131]

Fine with me. Let them post here at a fraction of what the Koch Brothers are paying me

The Koch Brothers are paying you to make conservatives look like ignorant assholes?

 

[imawhosure]

What these SOCIALISTS fail to tell you is............their ideas raise the cost to the consumer exponentially. What they also fail to tell you is; many a corporation did not flee America because of labor costs, they left because of regulation, taxation, and government interference. The only companies/corporations that left the US that I know for labor cost problems were union.

That sounds bad, doesn't it, but let me explain. I retired as a blue collar worker that was union, and I know how ridiculous it is! The retirement is funded, but the work deals were not!

When I worked and the economy went South, I made MORE being off then when I worked, lol. How could this be? Simple, I got 95% of my pay, didn't have to gas my vehicle, buy lunch, pay for coffee, or anything else. That is surely 5% of your pay. And, if I missed a day while at work, I lost money. How do you miss a day when you do not work?

I was never laid off with no recall date, I was on 2 weeks off 1, or on 2 off 2. But I know people who were laid of with no return date, and it got sooooooooo bad, that if the company knew that business was going to pick up before their benefits ran out, they would make them come into the cafeteria and sit for 8hrs and pay them the extra 5%. Why? Because they hoped they would get so bored, they would take a day off, or use their vacation to go do something, because you see, you kept accruing vacation, even if laid off.

Let me tell you what it was like! We had people who would come back to work after being off for 6 months and instantly take their vacation. After they came back from vacation, they would then use their personal business days, and then come back, and go on medical leave making 85% of their pay. This was standard procedure for about 7 to 10% of the laid off workers.

And so, when someone starts spouting off all about how unfair America is insisting that somehow corporations are evil, I say this...........when BILL CLINTON signed NAFTA into law, he for all intensive purposes killed any union that produced anything labor intensive. They are still here, but their wages and compensation have either stayed stagnant, and in many cases dropped.

Government regulation, regardless if you see it as good or bad, has pushed many others out. So has taxation. Who wouldn't go where there is less of both, especially when you have to compete with similar products built there putting you at a tremendous disadvantage if you do not?

So let us examine the facts, then judge! Who demanded ridiculous benefit packages for union workers to protect them from loss of wages even in a down turn? Unions. And who run unions? LIBERALS.

Who signed NAFTA? Bill Clinton. What was Bill Clinton? A liberal.

Who wants TPP? (also know as NAFTA junior) Obama. What is Obama? A liberal/socialist.

Who wants to screw the corporations because they are evil? Obama/Hilly/liberals/socialists. And who do all these people blame? Conservatives/republicans.

Who wants to keep the borders open to let illegals in pushing down wages? Obama/liberals/socialists/rinos.

Who will never, ever, never ever, say lets lower taxes on corporations to lure them back or keep them? Liberals/socialists/Obama/Hilly.

Yep, but I bet it makes no difference to the liberal voting bloc, cause you are promised free stuff, lol.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

So, basically, Progressives answer is that bringing quality products to the American marketplace is hurtful to the typical Progressive. Apple needs to pay the highest possible prices for their raw material and labor and only then will Progressives be happy?

Uh, what "quality products"? You mean the beads laced with roofies or the toys painted withe lead paint?

right, the lib Nazi wants to decide what are quality products and not let the American people decide!!

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Fine with me. Let them post here at a fraction of what the Koch Brothers are paying me

The Koch Brothers are paying you to make conservatives look like ignorant assholes?

Dear, how can supporting our Founders belief in freedom from big liberal govt look bad?
I do recall that Joe is an open communist who supports Castro's concentration camp island!

 

[boedicca]

(Think Indian Accent) Hello, USMB, my name is... Sam and I am here to share my insights with the USMB community

"I am from Windows Support. It is very urgent you call to fix extreme problem."

 

[JoeB131]

Dear, how can supporting our Founders belief in freedom from big liberal govt look bad?
I do recall that Joe is an open communist who supports Castro's concentration camp island!

The Founding Slave Rapists didn't want Freedom. That came later.