Whistleblower vs Leaker. Where do we draw the distinction?

[Billy_Bob]

No crime... It was a disagreement on foreign policy as Vindman testified.

No, it's a crime. Sorry kid, that's what abuse of power is.

Enacting ones own policies once elected is an abuse of power? You don’t even hear yourself.

Leveraging US foreign aid in exchange for publicity damaging to one's domestic political opponent isn't foreign policy. What makes you guys say such stupid stuff?

How man times must you be told, the ones actually on the call stated there was no quid pro quo. It was made up because they need anything to try to oust this President because they don’t like him.

The Quid Quo Pro was ongoing for months, according to sworn testimony - which is something we won't see from the administration. It wasn't restricted to a single phone call, and if it were, an adult reading of that call screams quid pro quo.

It's not foreign policy.

Joe Biden was threatening the Ukraine for months and then hit them with stopping 1.3 Billion dollars. It wasn't Trump, It was Biden doing this..

 

[Billy_Bob]

Seems to me all we have done with whistle blower status is created an endless supply of political torpedoes.

We have become so divided that we are slowly drowning ourselves in our own toilet and the whistleblowers/leakers are holding our heads in the water.

How can leaking the contents of confidential presidential calls be considered a good thing? If you actually hear the president conspiring to commit a FELONY then I suppose it's ok. Up till that point I think all you are is a criminal leaker.

In government, within the intelligence community,
A leaker, leaks to the public or the press. A whistleblower follows the rules in place for whistleblowers, to keep the wrong doing within the agency by reporting the complaint to the Inspector General for the intelligence agencies.

SO why did Vindman go to Caramillo? They Committed TREASON..

 

[joaquinmiller]

Whistleblower vs Leaker. Where do we draw the distinction?

When they are alerting us to crimes.

Next.

No crime... It was a disagreement on foreign policy as Vindman testified.

No, it's a crime. Sorry kid, that's what abuse of power is.

No it is not a crime.
The president has the right as per the Constitution to set foreign policy, not some motherfucking holdover from the Obama Administration.

What foreign policy was Vindman trying to set? What foreign policy was Trump attempting to implement, with which the motherfucking holdover disagreed?

 

[Crepitus]

When they are alerting us to crimes.

Next.

No crime... It was a disagreement on foreign policy as Vindman testified.

No, it's a crime. Sorry kid, that's what abuse of power is.

Enacting ones own policies once elected is an abuse of power? You don’t even hear yourself.

Leveraging US foreign aid in exchange for publicity damaging to one's domestic political opponent isn't foreign policy. What makes you guys say such stupid stuff?

How man times must you be told, the ones actually on the call stated there was no quid pro quo. It was made up because they need anything to try to oust this President because they don’t like him.

You are way behind. Lt Col Vindman, on the call says there is a quid pro quo. Ambassador to the EU Sondham, on the call say there is a quid pro quo. Even before being seated Zelenskiy spent hours working with aides on how to handle the pressure from tRump. Even tRump's own incomplete, highly edited transcript says quid pro quo.

Whistleblower vs Leaker. Where do we draw the distinction?

When they are alerting us to crimes.

Next.

Name the crime God Dammit!

Just like the Mueller Investigation.
The whole thing was nothing other than a fishing-expedition looking for crimes.
The So-called Whistleblower is just an excuse to start another investigation.
This time America is paying attention....and they aren't buying it.

As noted in my previous response:

Turn on you TV, I don't have the patience to play "water is wet" with you morons.

Sorry, but I'm not buying the lies from our corrupt media. Propaganda from liberals is worth less than a bucket of spit.
Stop watching news broadcasts and read up on the case, dumb-ass.

If you wish to stay willfully ignorant it's not skin offa my ass. It's not like you really contribute to the discussions anyway.

Have a nice day.

 

[Crepitus]

When they are alerting us to crimes.

Next.

No crime... It was a disagreement on foreign policy as Vindman testified.

No, it's a crime. Sorry kid, that's what abuse of power is.

Enacting ones own policies once elected is an abuse of power? You don’t even hear yourself.

No son, using taxpayer funded military and to lean on a foreign government for personal gain is.

Duh.

Honey, I’m no ones son. And if anyone ‘leaned’ it was Biden and the State Dept. Many hated the way Obama made a deal with Iran, turning over an exorbitant amount of interest n cash without notifying Congress, yet no one proceeded to enact impeachment against him.

You are falllng for the fake news again.

 

[2aguy]

Seems to me all we have done with whistle blower status is created an endless supply of political torpedoes.

We have become so divided that we are slowly drowning ourselves in our own toilet and the whistleblowers/leakers are holding our heads in the water.

How can leaking the contents of confidential presidential calls be considered a good thing? If you actually hear the president conspiring to commit a FELONY then I suppose it's ok. Up till that point I think all you are is a criminal leaker.

The current whistle blower is not a whistle blower.....he needed to have first hand knowledge of any allegation made...this one didn't have any first hand knowledge.......so, he isn't a whistle blower.

 

[2aguy]

No crime... It was a disagreement on foreign policy as Vindman testified.

No, it's a crime. Sorry kid, that's what abuse of power is.

Enacting ones own policies once elected is an abuse of power? You don’t even hear yourself.

Leveraging US foreign aid in exchange for publicity damaging to one's domestic political opponent isn't foreign policy. What makes you guys say such stupid stuff?

How man times must you be told, the ones actually on the call stated there was no quid pro quo. It was made up because they need anything to try to oust this President because they don’t like him.

You are way behind. Of Col Vindman, on the call says there is a quid pro quo. Ambassador to the EU Sondham, on the call say there is a quid pro quo. Even before being seated Zelenskiy spent hours working with aides on how to handle the pressure from tRump. Even tRump's own incomplete, hig

Whistleblower vs Leaker. Where do we draw the distinction?

When they are alerting us to crimes.

Next.

Name the crime God Dammit!

Just like the Mueller Investigation.
The whole thing was nothing other than a fishing-expedition looking for crimes.
The So-called Whistleblower is just an excuse to start another investigation.
This time America is paying attention....and they aren't buying it.

As noted in my previous response:

Turn on you TV, I don't have the patience to play "water is wet" with you morons.

Sorry, but I'm not buying the lies from our corrupt media. Propaganda from liberals is worth less than a bucket of spit.
Stop watching news broadcasts and read up on the case, dumb-ass.

If you wish to stay willfully ignorant it's not skin offa my ass. It's not like you really contribute to the discussions anyway.

Have a nice day.

Vindeman has already been caught...working with the democrats......what else do you have...since none of the witnesses so far can state, first hand, there was a quid pro quo.....

 

[Crepitus]

Whistleblower vs Leaker. Where do we draw the distinction?

When they are alerting us to crimes.

Next.

No crime... It was a disagreement on foreign policy as Vindman testified.

No, it's a crime. Sorry kid, that's what abuse of power is.

No it is not a crime.
The president has the right as per the Constitution to set foreign policy, not some motherfucking holdover from the Obama Administration.

tRump is not accused of setting foreign policy. He is accused of abusing the power of the office for personal gain, and at the expense of national security.

Please try to keep up.

 

[Billy_Bob]

No crime... It was a disagreement on foreign policy as Vindman testified.

No, it's a crime. Sorry kid, that's what abuse of power is.

Enacting ones own policies once elected is an abuse of power? You don’t even hear yourself.

No son, using taxpayer funded military and to lean on a foreign government for personal gain is.

Duh.

Honey, I’m no ones son. And if anyone ‘leaned’ it was Biden and the State Dept. Many hated the way Obama made a deal with Iran, turning over an exorbitant amount of interest n cash without notifying Congress, yet no one proceeded to enact impeachment against him.

You are falllng for the fake news again.

HUGE! Schiff Witness Vindham Testified that He "Thought" President's "Policy" Was Wrong So He Advised Ukrainians to Ignore the President

Ignoramus....

 

[mudwhistle]

Whistleblower vs Leaker. Where do we draw the distinction?

When they are alerting us to crimes.

Next.

Name the crime God Dammit!

Just like the Mueller Investigation.
The whole thing was nothing other than a fishing-expedition looking for crimes.
The So-called Whistleblower is just an excuse to start another investigation.
This time America is paying attention....and they aren't buying it.

As noted in my previous response:

Turn on you TV, I don't have the patience to play "water is wet" with you morons.

Sorry, but I'm not buying the lies from our corrupt media. Propaganda from liberals is worth less than a bucket of spit.
Stop watching news broadcasts and read up on the case, dumb-ass.

Where do you get your propaganda?

I don't get it anywhere.

 

[Crepitus]

Cherry picking a phrase or two is a tired old trick son.

Abuse of Powerr is cherry picking a phrase when you can't come up with a crime.

Nice point.

No, it's an actual crime.

Sorry about that.

Only in your warped world, thinking only you know what is best for everyone.

No, it's an actual crime.

Again, sorry about that.

No, honey, it’s not. There was no quid pro quo. Whereas Biden’s actually was. Not one word from you on that.

You are falling for the fake news again.

The Biden thing is a conspiracy theory. It did not happen the way the RWNJ propaganda machine wants you to think it did.

All the information is out there, educate yourself.

 

[Crepitus]

No, it's a crime. Sorry kid, that's what abuse of power is.

Enacting ones own policies once elected is an abuse of power? You don’t even hear yourself.

Leveraging US foreign aid in exchange for publicity damaging to one's domestic political opponent isn't foreign policy. What makes you guys say such stupid stuff?

How man times must you be told, the ones actually on the call stated there was no quid pro quo. It was made up because they need anything to try to oust this President because they don’t like him.

The Quid Quo Pro was ongoing for months, according to sworn testimony - which is something we won't see from the administration. It wasn't restricted to a single phone call, and if it were, an adult reading of that call screams quid pro quo.

It's not foreign policy.

Bull crap. The actual quid pro quo was from Biden! Even Hunter got involved there! Keep up!

Nope. This is a conservative conspiracy theory. It is not true.

 

[mudwhistle]

No, it's a crime. Sorry kid, that's what abuse of power is.

Enacting ones own policies once elected is an abuse of power? You don’t even hear yourself.

Leveraging US foreign aid in exchange for publicity damaging to one's domestic political opponent isn't foreign policy. What makes you guys say such stupid stuff?

How man times must you be told, the ones actually on the call stated there was no quid pro quo. It was made up because they need anything to try to oust this President because they don’t like him.

You are way behind. Of Col Vindman, on the call says there is a quid pro quo. Ambassador to the EU Sondham, on the call say there is a quid pro quo. Even before being seated Zelenskiy spent hours working with aides on how to handle the pressure from tRump. Even tRump's own incomplete, hig

When they are alerting us to crimes.

Next.

Name the crime God Dammit!

Just like the Mueller Investigation.
The whole thing was nothing other than a fishing-expedition looking for crimes.
The So-called Whistleblower is just an excuse to start another investigation.
This time America is paying attention....and they aren't buying it.

As noted in my previous response:

Turn on you TV, I don't have the patience to play "water is wet" with you morons.

Sorry, but I'm not buying the lies from our corrupt media. Propaganda from liberals is worth less than a bucket of spit.
Stop watching news broadcasts and read up on the case, dumb-ass.

If you wish to stay willfully ignorant it's not skin offa my ass. It's not like you really contribute to the discussions anyway.

Have a nice day.

Vindeman has already been caught...working with the democrats......what else do you have...since none of the witnesses so far can state, first hand, there was a quid pro quo.....

Nevermind the simple fact that Quid Pro Quo isn't against the law either.
Just like Collusion isn't against the law.
If it was most of the media and the Democrats would be in prison today.

 

[Crepitus]

Whistleblower vs Leaker. Where do we draw the distinction?

When they are alerting us to crimes.

Next.

Name the crime God Dammit!

Just like the Mueller Investigation.
The whole thing was nothing other than a fishing-expedition looking for crimes.
The So-called Whistleblower is just an excuse to start another investigation.
This time America is paying attention....and they aren't buying it.

As noted in my previous response:

Turn on you TV, I don't have the patience to play "water is wet" with you morons.

Sorry, but I'm not buying the lies from our corrupt media. Propaganda from liberals is worth less than a bucket of spit.
Stop watching news broadcasts and read up on the case, dumb-ass.

Where do you get your propaganda?

He's very carefully not consuming any actual news, that's pretty obvious.

And he's behind on his talking points by several days.

Maybe he's just depending on gossip here? It wouldn't be all that surprising.

 

[Care4all]

Btw, if the government actually did have the factual evidence that an employee LEAKED information that was classified, the employee would be fired.

The fact that this EC guy was not fired, is a tell tale sign that the right wing allegations of him being the leaker of that other stuff, has NOT been PROVEN as fact.

 

[Crepitus]

No, it's a crime. Sorry kid, that's what abuse of power is.

Enacting ones own policies once elected is an abuse of power? You don’t even hear yourself.

Leveraging US foreign aid in exchange for publicity damaging to one's domestic political opponent isn't foreign policy. What makes you guys say such stupid stuff?

How man times must you be told, the ones actually on the call stated there was no quid pro quo. It was made up because they need anything to try to oust this President because they don’t like him.

The Quid Quo Pro was ongoing for months, according to sworn testimony - which is something we won't see from the administration. It wasn't restricted to a single phone call, and if it were, an adult reading of that call screams quid pro quo.

It's not foreign policy.

Joe Biden was threatening the Ukraine for months and then hit them with stopping 1.3 Billion dollars. It wasn't Trump, It was Biden doing this..

No.

It wasn't Joe Biden, it was the US government, along various EU governments, the IMF, and other organizations.

Please stop propagating fake news.

 

[whitehall]

No need to draw a distinction in this case since Schiff(less) alleged "whistle blower" seems to be a partisan hack who has only 2nd or 3rd hand information. When you factor in the astonishing news that the whistle blower's lawyer admitted to engaging in a political coup (treason?) on the day of Trump's inauguration you can't help but understand how crazy the left has become.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Seems to me all we have done with whistle blower status is created an endless supply of political torpedoes.

We have become so divided that we are slowly drowning ourselves in our own toilet and the whistleblowers/leakers are holding our heads in the water.

How can leaking the contents of confidential presidential calls be considered a good thing? If you actually hear the president conspiring to commit a FELONY then I suppose it's ok. Up till that point I think all you are is a criminal leaker.

Well,going through a former whistleblower process, with officials forms and through official channels, and allowing the IC IG to determine the credibility and urgency of the complaint, might be your first clue...

 

[Care4all]

Enacting ones own policies once elected is an abuse of power? You don’t even hear yourself.

Leveraging US foreign aid in exchange for publicity damaging to one's domestic political opponent isn't foreign policy. What makes you guys say such stupid stuff?

How man times must you be told, the ones actually on the call stated there was no quid pro quo. It was made up because they need anything to try to oust this President because they don’t like him.

You are way behind. Of Col Vindman, on the call says there is a quid pro quo. Ambassador to the EU Sondham, on the call say there is a quid pro quo. Even before being seated Zelenskiy spent hours working with aides on how to handle the pressure from tRump. Even tRump's own incomplete, hig

Name the crime God Dammit!

Just like the Mueller Investigation.
The whole thing was nothing other than a fishing-expedition looking for crimes.
The So-called Whistleblower is just an excuse to start another investigation.
This time America is paying attention....and they aren't buying it.

As noted in my previous response:

Turn on you TV, I don't have the patience to play "water is wet" with you morons.

Sorry, but I'm not buying the lies from our corrupt media. Propaganda from liberals is worth less than a bucket of spit.
Stop watching news broadcasts and read up on the case, dumb-ass.

If you wish to stay willfully ignorant it's not skin offa my ass. It's not like you really contribute to the discussions anyway.

Have a nice day.

Vindeman has already been caught...working with the democrats......what else do you have...since none of the witnesses so far can state, first hand, there was a quid pro quo.....

Nevermind the simple fact that Quid Pro Quo isn't against the law either.
Just like Collusion isn't against the law.
If it was most of the media and the Democrats would be in prison today.

Right.

There is no law of collusion...

There is no law of quid pro quo.... it's called bribery, or extortion, or government employee corruption....

 

[2aguy]

Leveraging US foreign aid in exchange for publicity damaging to one's domestic political opponent isn't foreign policy. What makes you guys say such stupid stuff?

How man times must you be told, the ones actually on the call stated there was no quid pro quo. It was made up because they need anything to try to oust this President because they don’t like him.

You are way behind. Of Col Vindman, on the call says there is a quid pro quo. Ambassador to the EU Sondham, on the call say there is a quid pro quo. Even before being seated Zelenskiy spent hours working with aides on how to handle the pressure from tRump. Even tRump's own incomplete, hig

As noted in my previous response:

Turn on you TV, I don't have the patience to play "water is wet" with you morons.

Sorry, but I'm not buying the lies from our corrupt media. Propaganda from liberals is worth less than a bucket of spit.
Stop watching news broadcasts and read up on the case, dumb-ass.

If you wish to stay willfully ignorant it's not skin offa my ass. It's not like you really contribute to the discussions anyway.

Have a nice day.

Vindeman has already been caught...working with the democrats......what else do you have...since none of the witnesses so far can state, first hand, there was a quid pro quo.....

Nevermind the simple fact that Quid Pro Quo isn't against the law either.
Just like Collusion isn't against the law.
If it was most of the media and the Democrats would be in prison today.

Right.

There is no law of collusion...

There is no law of quid pro quo.... it's called bribery, or extortion, or government employee corruption....

And biden is neck deep in all of those.

 

[depotoo]

No crime... It was a disagreement on foreign policy as Vindman testified.

No, it's a crime. Sorry kid, that's what abuse of power is.

Enacting ones own policies once elected is an abuse of power? You don’t even hear yourself.

Leveraging US foreign aid in exchange for publicity damaging to one's domestic political opponent isn't foreign policy. What makes you guys say such stupid stuff?

How man times must you be told, the ones actually on the call stated there was no quid pro quo. It was made up because they need anything to try to oust this President because they don’t like him.

You are way behind. Of Col Vindman, on the call says there is a quid pro quo. Ambassador to the EU Sondham, on the call say there is a quid pro quo. Even before being seated Zelenskiy spent hours working with aides on how to handle the pressure from tRump. Even tRump's own incomplete, hig

Whistleblower vs Leaker. Where do we draw the distinction?

When they are alerting us to crimes.

Next.

Name the crime God Dammit!

Just like the Mueller Investigation.
The whole thing was nothing other than a fishing-expedition looking for crimes.
The So-called Whistleblower is just an excuse to start another investigation.
This time America is paying attention....and they aren't buying it.

As noted in my previous response:

Turn on you TV, I don't have the patience to play "water is wet" with you morons.

Sorry, but I'm not buying the lies from our corrupt media. Propaganda from liberals is worth less than a bucket of spit.
Stop watching news broadcasts and read up on the case, dumb-ass.

If you wish to stay willfully ignorant it's not skin offa my ass. It's not like you really contribute to the discussions anyway.

Have a nice day.

Rep. McCaul: Sondland testimony confirms no quid pro quo
Then Vindman tried to change his transcript of the call later, after he first reported no quid pro quo! Why? He is also deeply involved with The Atlantic Council that winds back to all the actors we have seen previously that have since day one stated they would do anything to resist and get Trump removed from office. Telling that Schiff shut down and coached Vindman’s testimony.
Schiff coaches Vindman in testimony, stops him from answering GOP questions after he admits to sharing call details