Which Religion should the Government endorse as the official US Religion?

[editec]

The worship of money. Here is the sacred symbol: $

Dotcom got it.

Mammonism is the semi-offical religion of our age.

Mammonism even has a Holy Ghost. Its called the invisible hand of the market.

As with most religions is a Mammonism is mixture of truth, half truth and outright lies designed to dupe the rubes.

 

[Conservative]

Seriously? You don't know what part of the Constitution this comes from???



Please, tell me you're screwing with us.

What I'm screwing with is the assumption that there is such a thing as a "Separation Clause". The 1st Amendment was written to prohibit the establishment of a STATE religion, not to prohibit religion.

Who is it that says the "Separation Clause" prohibits religion?

Either he misunderstood what was actually posted, or he's fucking with us.

 

[GuyPinestra]

Here. Go learn a little about that Danbury letter and what Jefferson was trying to say with it. The unedited text is available, and should prove to be highly enlightening...

'A Wall of Separation' (June 1998) - Library of Congress Information Bulletin

 

[Mr. Shaman]

The government has already done this. It's atheisim, or a subcult, human secularism.

Hmmmmmmmmmmm.....as-opposed-to a Theocracy.....like Iran.

Yeah....I'll settle for the American-cult.​

 

[koshergrl]

There is nothing. And in fact, the founding fathers frequently referenced Christianity, and the bible, and God. In fact, they said that the country wouldn't work without a core Christian population.

But those are facts, and not the friends of those who would see the state eliminate all religion.

 

[Conservative]

Here. Go learn a little about that Danbury letter and what Jefferson was trying to say with it. The unedited text is available, and should prove to be highly enlightening...

'A Wall of Separation' (June 1998) - Library of Congress Information Bulletin

A... a letter from Jefferson does not trump the Constitution

B... from your link...

Jefferson would never compromise his views that there were things government could not do in the religious sphere -- legally establish one creed as official truth and support it with its full financial and coercive powers. But by 1802, he seems to have come around to something close to the views of New England Baptist leaders such as Isaac Backus and Caleb Blood, who believed that, provided the state kept within its well-appointed limits, it could provide "friendly aids" to the churches, including putting at their disposal public property that even a stickler like John Leland was comfortable using.

Seems like Jefferson was supportive of exactly the idea that I and others in this thread have repeated... that the establishment of a particular religion as the official religion of the country was prohibited by the 1st amendment.

 

[NoNukes]

Judaism-Zionism. They already run everything anyway.

And then we can blame everything on them.

 

[BlindBoo]

There is nothing. And in fact, the founding fathers frequently referenced Christianity, and the bible, and God. In fact, they said that the country wouldn't work without a core Christian population.

But those are facts, and not the friends of those who would see the state eliminate all religion.

Uh-huh, and didn't some of those same founders believe that letting some blood from the viens of sick people drove out the demons?

Who are those whom you accuse of wanting the state to eliminate all religion.

I'm not a Christian but I sure as hell don't think the government has the power to eliminate any religion, well, unless a non native tries to join a Native Indian religion that uses certain plants as sacrements. Then I'm sure most all christains believe the state to be correct in outlawing those religions? Right?

 

[Old Rocks]

The worship of money. Here is the sacred symbol: $

By golly, you hit it. Most of the people on this board obviously worship Mammon. That is the official religion, just not acknowledged as of yet. Give the GOP a few more years to turn tax breaks into paychecks for the very wealthy for 'providing jobs', even when there are no jobs. Kind of like the CEO's that get multi-million dollar bonuses as the company goes bankrupt and lays off it's work force. That is the GOP way.

 

[Old Rocks]

There is nothing. And in fact, the founding fathers frequently referenced Christianity, and the bible, and God. In fact, they said that the country wouldn't work without a core Christian population.

But those are facts, and not the friends of those who would see the state eliminate all religion.

The Christian Nation Myth


Whenever the Supreme Court makes a decision that in any way restricts the intrusion of religion into the affairs of government, a flood of editorials, articles, and letters protesting the ruling is sure to appear in the newspapers. Many protesters decry these decisions on the grounds that they conflict with the wishes and intents of the "founding fathers."

Such a view of American history is completely contrary to known facts. The primary leaders of the so-called founding fathers of our nation were not Bible-believing Christians; they were deists. Deism was a philosophical belief that was widely accepted by the colonial intelligentsia at the time of the American Revolution. Its major tenets included belief in human reason as a reliable means of solving social and political problems and belief in a supreme deity who created the universe to operate solely by natural laws. The supreme God of the Deists removed himself entirely from the universe after creating it. They believed that he assumed no control over it, exerted no influence on natural phenomena, and gave no supernatural revelation to man. A necessary consequence of these beliefs was a rejection of many doctrines central to the Christian religion. Deists did not believe in the virgin birth, divinity, or resurrection of Jesus, the efficacy of prayer, the miracles of the Bible, or even the divine inspiration of the Bible.

These beliefs were forcefully articulated by Thomas Paine in Age of Reason, a book that so outraged his contemporaries that he died rejected and despised by the nation that had once revered him as "the father of the American Revolution." To this day, many mistakenly consider him an atheist, even though he was an out spoken defender of the Deistic view of God. Other important founding fathers who espoused Deism were George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, Ethan Allen, James Madison, and James Monroe.

Fundamentalist Christians are currently working overtime to convince the American public that the founding fathers intended to establish this country on "biblical principles," but history simply does not support their view. The men mentioned above and others who were instrumental in the founding of our nation were in no sense Bible-believing Christians. Thomas Jefferson, in fact, was fiercely anti-cleric. In a letter to Horatio Spafford in 1814, Jefferson said, "In every country and every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own. It is easier to acquire wealth and power by this combination than by deserving them, and to effect this, they have perverted the purest religion ever preached to man into mystery and jargon, unintelligible to all mankind, and therefore the safer for their purposes" (George Seldes, The Great Quotations, Secaucus, New Jersey Citadel Press, 1983, p. 371). In a letter to Mrs. Harrison Smith, he wrote, "It is in our lives, and not from our words, that our religion must be read. By the same test the world must judge me. But this does not satisfy the priesthood. They must have a positive, a declared assent to all their interested absurdities. My opinion is that there would never have been an infidel, if there had never been a priest" (August 6, 1816).

 

[Conservative]

There is nothing. And in fact, the founding fathers frequently referenced Christianity, and the bible, and God. In fact, they said that the country wouldn't work without a core Christian population.

But those are facts, and not the friends of those who would see the state eliminate all religion.

Uh-huh, and didn't some of those same founders believe that letting some blood from the viens of sick people drove out the demons?

Who are those whom you accuse of wanting the state to eliminate all religion.

I'm not a Christian but I sure as hell don't think the government has the power to eliminate any religion, well, unless a non native tries to join a Native Indian religion that uses certain plants as sacrements. Then I'm sure most all christains believe the state to be correct in outlawing those religions? Right?

I think she was referring to people like TruthDoesntMatter.

 

[Ed Spacer]

Vampirism.

 

[koshergrl]

And Old Rocks.

 

[Conservative]

Vampirism.

only if the female vampires are as hot as Kate...

 

[CaughtInTheMid]

okay, since no one will vote, i'll start.



METHODIST

 

[GuyPinestra]

Here. Go learn a little about that Danbury letter and what Jefferson was trying to say with it. The unedited text is available, and should prove to be highly enlightening...

'A Wall of Separation' (June 1998) - Library of Congress Information Bulletin

A... a letter from Jefferson does not trump the Constitution

B... from your link...

Jefferson would never compromise his views that there were things government could not do in the religious sphere -- legally establish one creed as official truth and support it with its full financial and coercive powers. But by 1802, he seems to have come around to something close to the views of New England Baptist leaders such as Isaac Backus and Caleb Blood, who believed that, provided the state kept within its well-appointed limits, it could provide "friendly aids" to the churches, including putting at their disposal public property that even a stickler like John Leland was comfortable using.

Seems like Jefferson was supportive of exactly the idea that I and others in this thread have repeated... that the establishment of a particular religion as the official religion of the country was prohibited by the 1st amendment.

OK, now that we're on the same page pretty much, let me make a couple of points.

Point #1. The 1st Amendment, having been written 13 years prior to the Danbury Baptist letter, didn't get the appellation of 'separation clause' from anyone involved in the writing of it. That was why I asked about it, because some folks just don't get that the separation of Church and State is NOT in the Constitution the way they THINK it is.

Which brings me to Point #2. That 'separation' was never intended to exclude Christian principles or precepts from our government, as evidenced by this...

...provided the state kept within its well-appointed limits, it could provide "friendly aids" to the churches, including putting at their disposal public property...

So yes, I guess I was fucking with you some, but not because I wanted to fuck with YOU, but because I wanted to illustrate to our liberal 'friends' that their interpretation of the separation clause is a 180 from it's roots.

Sorry for the confusion...

 

[Conservative]

Here. Go learn a little about that Danbury letter and what Jefferson was trying to say with it. The unedited text is available, and should prove to be highly enlightening...

'A Wall of Separation' (June 1998) - Library of Congress Information Bulletin

A... a letter from Jefferson does not trump the Constitution

B... from your link...

Seems like Jefferson was supportive of exactly the idea that I and others in this thread have repeated... that the establishment of a particular religion as the official religion of the country was prohibited by the 1st amendment.

OK, now that we're on the same page pretty much, let me make a couple of points.

Point #1. The 1st Amendment, having been written 13 years prior to the Danbury Baptist letter, didn't get the appellation of 'separation clause' from anyone involved in the writing of it. That was why I asked about it, because some folks just don't get that the separation of Church and State is NOT in the Constitution the way they THINK it is.

Which brings me to Point #2. That 'separation' was never intended to exclude Christian principles or precepts from our government, as evidenced by this...

...provided the state kept within its well-appointed limits, it could provide "friendly aids" to the churches, including putting at their disposal public property...

So yes, I guess I was fucking with you some, but not because I wanted to fuck with YOU, but because I wanted to illustrate to our liberal 'friends' that their interpretation of the separation clause is a 180 from it's roots.

Sorry for the confusion...

I understand all that. However, I still don't see anywhere in this thread where anyone actually said 'the separation clause' means any kind of governmental ban on religion. All that was said, was that the government could not establish a particular religion as a state religion... which was the original question posed in the OP... Which Religion should the Government endorse as the official US Religion?

Essentially, you chased a non-existent squirrel up a tree in this thread

 

[GuyPinestra]

Essentially, you chased a non-existent squirrel up a tree in this thread

Yeah, well, sometimes I just like to hear myself bark...

 

[Steelplate]

I'll play along... just for shits and Giggles.

Universalist Unitarian.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

What a stupid thread.