Where do you republicans draw the line on privatizing government services?

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    I really want you to think this through. Think about every example of government service in this country and give me an answer on which ones should be privatized.

    1) Should the police and fire departments be privatized?

    "Sorry ma'am, we can't put out your fire because you can't give me the $500 fee my boss demands. I'm going to see if your neighbor will pay their fee so we can at least save their house before this blaze gets out of control."

    "Sorry, fine couple, I can't do any forensic work on this crime scene that left your son dead unless you can pay the $1000 fee of Basic Investigation. If you give me $1500, we'll upgrade you to the Deluxe Package of actually arresting the prime suspect seen leaving the scene of the crime."

    2) How about our roads? You know, ANY roads funded by revenue that people can drive on?

    "Sorry, Sir, I can't let you leave Cincinnati without you forking over the toll of $200 that would allow you to leave and then return to your beloved city."

    3) Oh and how about our water supply? No need for pesky environmental regulations in that case!

    "Sir, our competition has dumped toxic waste in the Arkansas river that is in the center of our jurisdiction. What do we do?"

    "Take them to court! We'll sue their asses off even if it takes months for us to get the damages to clean out the waste! Until then, we'll sell the citizens our Extra Clean bottled water."

    4) Oooo here's another! Privatizing ALL schools without ANY pesky government red tape!

    "Sorry, Ma'am, we can't let your straight-A son graduate his senior year because you're short on your premium this week. Oh and by the way, your 9th grade daughter can no longer show up to school until you pay. It's a shame. She's a fine student as well."
     
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    Not a republican, but I assume that you also wanted a comment from a libertarian.

    Government should only be involved in providing goods/services that cannot be efficiently provided by the private sector.

    Example, if the private sector controlled the building and maintenance of roads, and all roads were toll roads, how many roads leading to the same place would spring up? Would we be a nation of nothing but competing roads? How can competition make roads better with a limited amount of space to compete?

    Military is another government function that is difficult to place in the private sector. How would that work? Would we end up with a bunch of mercenary armies that end up fighting each other, rather than protecting us? Police and fire services would have similar problems without an absolute monopoly.

    Courts. We have a mechanism for private judicial processes (arbitration). The problem comes in when the people cannot agree on an arbitrator panel. At some point, somebody has to make the final decision that is certain and undisputed. Courts will never be privatized for that very reason.

    I can think of nothing else the private sector could not absolutely beat the fuck out of government in providing goods and services.
     
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    Some of those "services" don't need to be provided by anyone.

    Can the DEA go away now?

     
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    I can. Health care.List of countries by total health expenditure per capita - Wikipedia. You have the most expensive healthcare in the world. And the goods and services provided in Belgium are better. I know this from first and second hand experiences.
     
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    What service cant be provided for by the public sector and better than the government?

    Court system < Professional Arbitrators

    What makes you think a private army would end up fighting each other? It would be one entity. How would police and firemen have the same issue?
     
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    The fact that liberals seem to be unaware of is that privatization of government services has advanced quite well due to dumbass polices the liberals set up.

    Government workers have oversized salaries, overgenerous pension plans, and are very difficult to fire even if they're incompetent.

    Government has responded by hiring private contractors to perform many government functions, and then just hiring a few actual government employees to supervise the work of the contractors.
     
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    And yet you aren't actually acknowledging the points I made in my OP....
     
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    Competition in healthcare makes it much better. No nation on earth has more innovative treatments and advancements than U.S. providers. The free market rewards improvements. Monopolies stagnate it. However, I will concede that healthcare in the U.S. is grossly inefficient, but that is a result of "insurance" artificially shielding providers from the consequences of waste.

    I am nearly to the point where I believe we should either making health insurance illegal to prevent ridiculous waste, or we should go to single payer with a separate governing body of private-sector providers (actual doctors) who determine treatment standards and set costs.
     
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    Amen. Fuck the war on drugs.
     
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    Thats not as a result of competition in healthcare itself. Its the result of pharmaceutical companies financing the research. Think about it. Doctors dont hoard their knowledge. They share it.
     

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