Where do you republicans draw the line on privatizing government services?

[frigidweirdo]

I really want you to think this through. Think about every example of government service in this country and give me an answer on which ones should be privatized.

Marriage should be privatized. If the American people had not demanded government get all up in their marriages, same sex marriages wouldn't even be an issue.

Health care should be privatized. The more government has interfered in our health care, the more the cost of health care has risen, faster than GDP and inflation. It boggles the shit out of me that the liberal solution to this is to demand even MORE government takeover of healthcare!

Home buying should be privatized. The government should end the mortgage interest deduction which is a massive wealth transfer scheme up the food chain, at the expense of raising tax rates on every taxpayer and raising the price of homes.

A lot of the problems isn't about privatization, it's about the people continually electing self serving politicians who don't give a rats ass about the people. Change the system and you'd change the mentality.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I really want you to think this through. Think about every example of government service in this country and give me an answer on which ones should be privatized.

Marriage should be privatized. If the American people had not demanded government get all up in their marriages, same sex marriages wouldn't even be an issue.

Health care should be privatized. The more government has interfered in our health care, the more the cost of health care has risen, faster than GDP and inflation. It boggles the shit out of me that the liberal solution to this is to demand even MORE government takeover of healthcare!

Home buying should be privatized. The government should end the mortgage interest deduction which is a massive wealth transfer scheme up the food chain, at the expense of raising tax rates on every taxpayer and raising the price of homes.

Really? Anybody that owns a home has interest payment write-offs, not just the rich.

There is nothing wrong with government encouraging investments.

 

[g5000]

I really want you to think this through. Think about every example of government service in this country and give me an answer on which ones should be privatized.

Marriage should be privatized. If the American people had not demanded government get all up in their marriages, same sex marriages wouldn't even be an issue.

Health care should be privatized. The more government has interfered in our health care, the more the cost of health care has risen, faster than GDP and inflation. It boggles the shit out of me that the liberal solution to this is to demand even MORE government takeover of healthcare!

Home buying should be privatized. The government should end the mortgage interest deduction which is a massive wealth transfer scheme up the food chain, at the expense of raising tax rates on every taxpayer and raising the price of homes.

Really? Anybody that owns a home has interest payment write-offs, not just the rich.

It's extremely regressive. The richer you are, the bigger the mortgage, the bigger the government gift.

Those deductions are theft which come at the expense of higher tax rates on EVERY taxpayer.

Pure theft.

There is nothing wrong with government encouraging investments.

Utter bullshit. Do you think people would stop buying houses without the MID? Especially since houses would be CHEAPER without the MID.

Countries which have eliminated the MID have experience no drop in home buying.,


The MID does not encourage investments. The MID increases the price of houses. Who benefits from house being more expensive? Bankers, home builders, and realtors.

Massive wealth transfer up the food chain.

I suppose you believe there is nothing wrong with the government encouraging breeding with the child tax credit, as if people will stop fucking if there was no credit.

 

[g5000]

I really want you to think this through. Think about every example of government service in this country and give me an answer on which ones should be privatized.

Marriage should be privatized. If the American people had not demanded government get all up in their marriages, same sex marriages wouldn't even be an issue.

Health care should be privatized. The more government has interfered in our health care, the more the cost of health care has risen, faster than GDP and inflation. It boggles the shit out of me that the liberal solution to this is to demand even MORE government takeover of healthcare!

Home buying should be privatized. The government should end the mortgage interest deduction which is a massive wealth transfer scheme up the food chain, at the expense of raising tax rates on every taxpayer and raising the price of homes.

A lot of the problems isn't about privatization, it's about the people continually electing self serving politicians who don't give a rats ass about the people. Change the system and you'd change the mentality.

You have it backwards.

The system won't change until the people demand change. That's why every politician campaigns on change. Obama: Hope and Change. Trump: Drain the swamp. I alone can fix it!

The people won't demand change that works until they are educated in exactly how they are being robbed blind.

Everyone senses they are being robbed, but they just don't know how it is happening, and there are hucksters and demagogues ready to lie and fill in the blanks for them.

"It's those damned Mexicans!"

 

[frigidweirdo]

I really want you to think this through. Think about every example of government service in this country and give me an answer on which ones should be privatized.

Marriage should be privatized. If the American people had not demanded government get all up in their marriages, same sex marriages wouldn't even be an issue.

Health care should be privatized. The more government has interfered in our health care, the more the cost of health care has risen, faster than GDP and inflation. It boggles the shit out of me that the liberal solution to this is to demand even MORE government takeover of healthcare!

Home buying should be privatized. The government should end the mortgage interest deduction which is a massive wealth transfer scheme up the food chain, at the expense of raising tax rates on every taxpayer and raising the price of homes.

A lot of the problems isn't about privatization, it's about the people continually electing self serving politicians who don't give a rats ass about the people. Change the system and you'd change the mentality.

You have it backwards.

The system won't change until the people demand change. That's why every politician campaigns on change. Obama: Hope and Change. Trump: Drain the swamp. I alone can fix it!

The people won't demand change that works until they are educated in exactly how they are being robbed blind.

Everyone senses they are being robbed, but they just don't know how it is happening, and there are hucksters and demagogues ready to lie and fill in the blanks for them.

"It's those damned Mexicans!"

Actually what Trump and Obama did was play on those fears of lack of hope. There was no SUBSTANCE to their message. They weren't calling for change in the system, or changing in this that or the other, just shouting "hope".

 

[Billy000]

I really want you to think this through. Think about every example of government service in this country and give me an answer on which ones should be privatized.

Marriage should be privatized. If the American people had not demanded government get all up in their marriages, same sex marriages wouldn't even be an issue.

Health care should be privatized. The more government has interfered in our health care, the more the cost of health care has risen, faster than GDP and inflation. It boggles the shit out of me that the liberal solution to this is to demand even MORE government takeover of healthcare!

Home buying should be privatized. The government should end the mortgage interest deduction which is a massive wealth transfer scheme up the food chain, at the expense of raising tax rates on every taxpayer and raising the price of homes.

Lol I have to say g5000 you are the most confusing member on here. I don't mean you're incoherent; you're just unpredictable.

The first thought I can get behind - privatizing marriage. But taking MORE government out of our healthcare system is just bat shit crazy.

 

[whitehall]

"#2 how about our roads, you know any roads funded by revenue that people can drive on"? ....Say what? All road work is sub contracted to corporations that know more about building roads than idiot federal bureaucracies. It ain't about the funding, there will always be federal funding. the problem is that federal bureaucracies are stupid drones that ain't got a clue about building a road if it went up their collective asses.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

The first thought I can get behind - privatizing marriage. But taking MORE government out of our healthcare system is just bat shit crazy.

Why is that? Government is the reason our healthcare is so expensive.

 

[Mr.Blonde]

No, I disagree about healthcare.

The free market in the US has shown that prices get to high, because healthcare is ESSENTIAL, and healthcare providers will group together to push prices up.

The US govt spends MORE per capita on healthcare than the UK govt does. They operate within a country which also has a relatively free market, and the govt ends up spending a fortune because they healthcare provides pump up the prices.

Most Americans are too young to remember what a free market health care system looks like since we haven't had one since 1966.

Privatizing schools would just take you back to the industrial revolution or something. A country needs to compete in the world, and to compete needs to make the most of the talent.

A countries GDP will be based on how the country does economically, and if you have the talent not getting educated because they can't afford it, then you'll soon be looking at second world status.

Our public school system in this country sucks. Most of what they teach kids isn't anything of value.

Literally the only things I learned in school that I remember are basic math and reading and learning how to tolerate waking up to go to a place I hate every day.

 

[frigidweirdo]

No, I disagree about healthcare.

The free market in the US has shown that prices get to high, because healthcare is ESSENTIAL, and healthcare providers will group together to push prices up.

The US govt spends MORE per capita on healthcare than the UK govt does. They operate within a country which also has a relatively free market, and the govt ends up spending a fortune because they healthcare provides pump up the prices.

Most Americans are too young to remember what a free market health care system looks like since we haven't had one since 1966.

Privatizing schools would just take you back to the industrial revolution or something. A country needs to compete in the world, and to compete needs to make the most of the talent.

A countries GDP will be based on how the country does economically, and if you have the talent not getting educated because they can't afford it, then you'll soon be looking at second world status.

Our public school system in this country sucks. Most of what they teach kids isn't anything of value.

Literally the only things I learned in school that I remember are basic math and reading and learning how to tolerate waking up to go to a place I hate every day.

But the problem is, again, that the govt doesn't give a damn, and the rich are perpetuating the theory that the govt shouldn't do anything, yet makes itself bigger every year, but does less every year.

The US has a major problem and it all stems from the two party system which comes from the way people vote.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

It's extremely regressive. The richer you are, the bigger the mortgage, the bigger the government gift.

Those deductions are theft which come at the expense of higher tax rates on EVERY taxpayer.

Pure theft.

It's not all that big of a gift as you call it. All tax deductions come at the expense of others. That's the way our tax system works.

Utter bullshit. Do you think people would stop buying houses without the MID? Especially since houses would be CHEAPER without the MID.

Countries which have eliminated the MID have experience no drop in home buying.,


The MID does not encourage investments. The MID increases the price of houses. Who benefits from house being more expensive? Bankers, home builders, and realtors.

Massive wealth transfer up the food chain.

I suppose you believe there is nothing wrong with the government encouraging breeding with the child tax credit, as if people will stop fucking if there was no credit.

So where do you get this nonsense that houses would be cheaper without the interest deductions? Houses are more expensive now because of government regulations. So please explain the dynamics of how eliminating the interest deduction would make houses cheaper.

Yes, interest deductions do encourage housing investments. Trust me, I'm a landlord, and I've lost tenants who opted to buy a home because of it when they ran the numbers.

 

[Billy000]

The first thought I can get behind - privatizing marriage. But taking MORE government out of our healthcare system is just bat shit crazy.

Why is that? Government is the reason our healthcare is so expensive.

Oh really? So corporate greed has nothing to do with it? Do you actually believe that?

 

[P@triot]

I really want you to think this through.

Well your doing a terrible job of it. This has been explained millions of times. We draw the line at the U.S. Constitution.

The fact that you literally have no idea that every example you gave (fire, police, roads) occur at the local level and not the federal level is as tragic as it is fall down hilarious.

 

[Mr.Blonde]

No, I disagree about healthcare.

The free market in the US has shown that prices get to high, because healthcare is ESSENTIAL, and healthcare providers will group together to push prices up.

The US govt spends MORE per capita on healthcare than the UK govt does. They operate within a country which also has a relatively free market, and the govt ends up spending a fortune because they healthcare provides pump up the prices.

Most Americans are too young to remember what a free market health care system looks like since we haven't had one since 1966.

Privatizing schools would just take you back to the industrial revolution or something. A country needs to compete in the world, and to compete needs to make the most of the talent.

A countries GDP will be based on how the country does economically, and if you have the talent not getting educated because they can't afford it, then you'll soon be looking at second world status.

Our public school system in this country sucks. Most of what they teach kids isn't anything of value.

Literally the only things I learned in school that I remember are basic math and reading and learning how to tolerate waking up to go to a place I hate every day.

But the problem is, again, that the govt doesn't give a damn, and the rich are perpetuating the theory that the govt shouldn't do anything, yet makes itself bigger every year, but does less every year.

The US has a major problem and it all stems from the two party system which comes from the way people vote.

I agree that the two parties are to blame (in part anyway).

The biggest problem is that many people want the federal government to do this and that. Our federal government was never designed to any of the stuff. Our federal government was designed to be inefficient.

Another huge problem are you are right the way people vote since they vote for highly educated useless people. You can't honesty look at Ryan, McConnell, Schumer, Pelosi, Waters, etc and not think if it weren't for the grace of government these people would have died long ago homless from exposure.

 

[P@triot]

The first thought I can get behind - privatizing marriage. But taking MORE government out of our healthcare system is just bat shit crazy.

Why is that? Government is the reason our healthcare is so expensive.

Oh really? So corporate greed has nothing to do with it? Do you actually believe that?

Yep. There was no such thing as health insurance - much less Medicaid - when Benjamin Franklin opened the first hospital in Philadelphia. And pretty much everyone could afford healthcare. Then the government got involved and costs skyrocketed.

Dumb-asses did the exact same thing with education. Harvard cost $400 per year in the 1920's. Now it costs $65,000 a year. That far outpaces inflation. When government started unconstitutionally throwing money, the schools eyes lit up (as did their invoices).

 

[P@triot]

Government should only be involved in providing goods/services that cannot be efficiently provided by the private sector.

Uh...no. Government should only be providing functions clearly defined in the U.S. Constitution.

 

[flacaltenn]

If you're willing to let the government strictly regulate these hypothetical private services, then why even bother privatizing them in the first place?

Because you don't need to hire 30,000 Medical payment specialists as FEDERAL EMPLOYEES. That's not the way MediCare claims get processed. It's PRIVATIZED thru a subsidiary of Insurance Companies that KNOWs WTF they are doing without all the oppressive management/unions/work rules of a govt operation.

Most EVERY jail is privatized to some degree because the govt SUCKS at directly delivering food services, medical services, maintenance and other labor intensive services.

You didn't answer my question about elevator inspectors.. WHICH do you prefer for accountability?

Moreover, you can't claim government oversight is useless while also conceding the oversight is still needed.

Doesn't matter. I stated that the "oversight" is gonna suck wads whether it's minding a contractor or directly controlling employees to provide the service. That's why govt should be restricted from expansion beyond their primary duties. They SUCK at most everything they touch..

Also, if you're so concerned about pollution, what makes you think we can just blindly trust a corporation to not fuck up and pollute the water they control? What's to stop them from covering it up until it becomes a massive problem? What's to stop their lobbyists from eroding any government regulations for the sake of profit?

It's a FACT that government in this country is one of the LARGEST polluters. Whether it's TVA with their coal belching power plants and ash ponds. Or the nuclear weapons labs which have ACRES of 80 yr old leaking barrels of nuclear waste at about 3 or 5 sites in this country. Or the military bases that are NOTORIOUS polluters of their property and get away with it. Federal govt has IGNORED the horrendous nuclear seepage problem at Savannah River, Hanford and Oak Ridge for DECADES..

The standards are there. Commercial business are the ones that get prosecuted. NOT GOVT operations. If you want to see TRUE enviro disasters -- look at E. Germany or Russia or China where the GOVT micromanages every aspect of the economy...

 

[frigidweirdo]

No, I disagree about healthcare.

The free market in the US has shown that prices get to high, because healthcare is ESSENTIAL, and healthcare providers will group together to push prices up.

The US govt spends MORE per capita on healthcare than the UK govt does. They operate within a country which also has a relatively free market, and the govt ends up spending a fortune because they healthcare provides pump up the prices.

Most Americans are too young to remember what a free market health care system looks like since we haven't had one since 1966.

Privatizing schools would just take you back to the industrial revolution or something. A country needs to compete in the world, and to compete needs to make the most of the talent.

A countries GDP will be based on how the country does economically, and if you have the talent not getting educated because they can't afford it, then you'll soon be looking at second world status.

Our public school system in this country sucks. Most of what they teach kids isn't anything of value.

Literally the only things I learned in school that I remember are basic math and reading and learning how to tolerate waking up to go to a place I hate every day.

But the problem is, again, that the govt doesn't give a damn, and the rich are perpetuating the theory that the govt shouldn't do anything, yet makes itself bigger every year, but does less every year.

The US has a major problem and it all stems from the two party system which comes from the way people vote.

I agree that the two parties are to blame (in part anyway).

The biggest problem is that many people want the federal government to do this and that. Our federal government was never designed to any of the stuff. Our federal government was designed to be inefficient.

Another huge problem are you are right the way people vote since they vote for highly educated useless people. You can't honesty look at Ryan, McConnell, Schumer, Pelosi, Waters, etc and not think if it weren't for the grace of government these people would have died long ago homless from exposure.

Well, the problem appears to be in both the federal and many state govts too. The third party in the US has ONE state senate seat. The state are behind the times as well as the federal govt.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

The first thought I can get behind - privatizing marriage. But taking MORE government out of our healthcare system is just bat shit crazy.

Why is that? Government is the reason our healthcare is so expensive.

Oh really? So corporate greed has nothing to do with it? Do you actually believe that?

I believe government has more to do with it than corporate. I worked in the medical industry for about ten years.

Take our social programs for example. Medicare and Medicaid don't pay the full bill for their patients. They generally pay about 2/3. Many facilities won't accept new Medicaid patients and some won't accept new Medicare patients either.

Not a tragedy for a doctors visit, but what about surgeries that normally cost $80,0000? And there are plenty of those when talking about elderly people.

So what do hospitals and doctors do to recoup those losses? They increase prices. Who pays those increases? Private insurance and private pay patients. Then when our premiums reach unaffordable levels, you can't have insurance any longer or your employer drops your coverage.

This is why when you see medical facilities close, it's usually in lower income areas where there are mostly government patients and not many private pay or insured patients. There is nobody to recoup those losses from.

Lawsuits are another problem. Most lawsuits in medical treatment fail, but it's the cost to protect those doctors and facilities that cause malpractice insurance to be six figures in some cases. Those costs get passed down to us.

Unless you're older, you don't remember how things used to be. You used to be able to see your doctor and they would happily treat you. Today, you see your doctor, and they want you to see two or three specialists so they can shed some of the liability in case something goes wrong. They run you though unnecessary tests for the same reason. They want to cover every possible angle to help cover themselves in case you know some ambulance chaser that promises you big money from a lawsuit. All those tests and specialists cost a lot of money.

So you can thank government for not paying their bills and not instituting a national tort reform in this country which greatly contribute to unaffordable healthcare for many of us.

 

[g5000]

It's extremely regressive. The richer you are, the bigger the mortgage, the bigger the government gift.

Those deductions are theft which come at the expense of higher tax rates on EVERY taxpayer.

Pure theft.

It's not all that big of a gift as you call it. All tax deductions come at the expense of others. That's the way our tax system works.

Which is exactly why I have been campaigning against all such theft for years.

IUtter bullshit. Do you think people would stop buying houses without the MID? Especially since houses would be CHEAPER without the MID.

Countries which have eliminated the MID have experience no drop in home buying.,


The MID does not encourage investments. The MID increases the price of houses. Who benefits from house being more expensive? Bankers, home builders, and realtors.

Massive wealth transfer up the food chain.

I suppose you believe there is nothing wrong with the government encouraging breeding with the child tax credit, as if people will stop fucking if there was no credit.

So where do you get this nonsense that houses would be cheaper without the interest deductions?

http://webarchive.urban.org/Uploade...erest-Deduction-Affect-the-Housing-Market.pdf

One widely cited 1996 study by Dennis Capozza, Richard Green, and Patric Hendershott estimated that eliminating the mortgage interest and property tax deductions would reduce housing prices in the short term by an average of 13 percent nationwide, with regional changes ranging from 8 to 27 percent.

Why Now's the Time to Kill the Mortgage Interest Deduction

Proponents of the deduction argue that it's a key component to keeping home prices up.

Do you hear that? An open admission the deduction drives up the cost of housing! How can ANY person who claims to be a conservative support this kind of direct government interference in the marketplace?

As much as homebuilders argue that eliminating the deduction would hurt them, economists agree that the biggest impact would be on the highest-priced homes, with more reasonably priced real estate seeing little or no impact from getting rid of the deduction.

Homebuilders whining about losing their government tit.