Zone1 Where do you personally Stand on abortion laws.

[Harpy Eagle]

Allow the roughly 15% of the population who are concerned (i.e;, can become pregnant), vote so that the matter will be settled.
Personally, this does not affect me.
Society makes decisions all the time about who lives or dies. In itself, this is not a question. The "abortion issue" is a fabricated socio-moral debate about the totally unique situation of having the capacity to bear children. The enormous majority would impose its choice on an exploited minority.
A woman who decides to bear a human into life decides that the human will die. No one else has such a choice, is in such a position. No one else has a valid argument for making the choice in the place of the woman.

It is about 25% of the population.

And yes, society makes decisions all the time about who lives or dies...but rarely does a single individual.

 

[CarsomyrPlusSix]

No one else has such a choice, is in such a position. No one else has a valid argument for making the choice in the place of the woman.

You are quite capable of attacking and killing other human beings; even if you are weak and pathetic, you can buy a weapon and you can ambush someone while they are sleeping.

This is for all intents and purposes certainly no worse than - and indeed, arguably more comprehensible and less contemptible - than just attacking a known helpless innocent sleeping human kid... who is your own damn kid.

Since anyone is capable of attacking an innocent and committing homicide, and it is contemptible no matter who does it, then yeah, we all get a say.

To say otherwise is to be an unconscionable female supremacist who does not remotely believe in equality, but in fact the superiority of women. "Simp" doesn't even cut it.

 

[there4eyeM]

It is about 25% of the population.

And yes, society makes decisions all the time about who lives or dies...but rarely does a single individual.

"Society" has no capacity to decide someone will be born.

 

[ClaireH]

I didn’t find my position on your list Marty: banned at conception with attachment to uterine wall (if it doesn’t attach like ECB noted it’s a chemical pregnancy and like tubal is not viable) unless rape, incest, or risk to mother’s life is a factor.

The previous comment about risk to mother’s life including risk to mother’s health is worth discussing. “Mother’s health” could be expanded to cover all kinds of medical conditions (for instance, preeclampsia which is relatively a common risk to many successful deliveries). There are women who have long-term health problems that are exasperated by a pregnancy, but these women typically resolve that possibility using effective birth control measures.

No woman who has been raped or raped/molested by a family member resulting in pregnancy should be required by law to deliver the baby, unless the mother chooses to do so. The latter happens when the mother can separate the act of rape from the innocent victims of the rape, she and the baby, and chooses either adoption or raising the child. Trauma counseling helps with the right specialist to help the mother make the better choice for the baby between the two, but ultimately it’s up to the mother.

 

[hjmick]

Where do I stand personally? It's personal.

 

[2aguy]

I know it's a lot of choices, but I want to see where people stand. I will allow two choices for those on the fence.

Some ground rules.

1. Non-viable fetuses can be removed in all cases
2. Ectopic Pregnancy treatment is allowed and is not an abortion
3. After 15 weeks if you can't figure out if you were raped or had incest, it's on you.


Think about what level you would vote for. Let's have at it.

You need Ban From conception except life of the mother.....that is the one I would pick.

 

[playtime]

And again, no response. No rebuttal. Why are you here?

why are you?

 

[playtime]

That is why we need a medical opinion to determine if abortion is necessary at that late stage

I trust a Doctors opinion more than a politicians

no female carries a 9 month fetus to term & then at the last minute says

'eh never mind.... & then seeks out an abortion.

 

[rightwinger]

no female carries a 9 month fetus to term & then at the last minute says

'eh never mind.... & then seeks out an abortion.

Those late term abortions that Conservatives hold up as frequent and frivolous are almost exclusively done to protect the mother or because of serious complications with the pregnancy.
That is why I said a doctors opinion is critical

 

[2aguy]

Those late term abortions that Conservatives hold up as frequent and frivolous are almost exclusively done to protect the mother or because of serious complications with the pregnancy.
That is why I said a doctors opinion is critical

Nope....I have heard actual Doctors state that delivering the baby is the safest outcome for the mother.......

 

[CarsomyrPlusSix]

why are you?

Good faith debate. That's why I'm not overly fond of bad faith / zero effort actors, especially when I see an example of both.

 

[CarsomyrPlusSix]

no female carries a 9 month fetus to term & then at the last minute says

'eh never mind.... & then seeks out an abortion.

Oh good, then it's a non-issue and fine to ban, then.

 

[B. Kidd]

I know it's a lot of choices, but I want to see where people stand. I will allow two choices for those on the fence.

Some ground rules.

1. Non-viable fetuses can be removed in all cases
2. Ectopic Pregnancy treatment is allowed and is not an abortion
3. After 15 weeks if you can't figure out if you were raped or had incest, it's on you.


Think about what level you would vote for. Let's have at it.

You left out where the majority of the Country stands in your choices. Ban after 12 weeks unless medically advised.

 

[CarlinAnnArbor]

Abortion should be considered murder except when there is grave threat to the life of the mother Every living being has the right to self defense.

 

[martybegan]

You need Ban From conception except life of the mother.....that is the one I would pick.

good point, I knew I was going to forget one.

 

[martybegan]

You left out where the majority of the Country stands in your choices. Ban after 12 weeks unless medically advised.

I figured 15 weeks was close to that, and I didn't want the choices to be more than I already put in.

 

[petro]

Leave it between the woman and her doctor

I am onboard with that.
All medical decisions should be between doctors and their patients, including Covid vaccination.

 

[Pete7469]

Women should be able to decide early in pregnancy if they want to remain pregnant or not. After a certain period of time, the life in her womb is no longer just a potential human being, but a prenatal human, with the right to be carried to full-term. That's my view on the issue of abortion. If we do more to eliminate poverty in America that will significantly reduce abortion. More women will be willing to carry that life in their wombs to term and raise a child, even if the father isn't present, provided they have the resources to do it. These women should get help with food, housing, healthcare, daycare, school lunches, vocational job training .etc.

Although I don't cotton to all of your nanny state policies, for the most part I agree with your post.

 

[playtime]

Oh good, then it's a non-issue and fine to ban, then.

it effectively has been since r V w was law.

 

[martybegan]

it effectively has been since r V w was law.

The thing is since Roe was threatened States like NY and CA have modified their laws to basically do what is being claimed, i.e. as long as a doctor is OK with it for basically any reason an abortion is legal up to the moment of birth.