When The Constitution Died….

[PoliticalChic]

Died, it did, and, it wasn’t a natural death….it was a cold blooded, calculated, assassination by the Brutus called Franklin Roosevelt.




1.The only document by which American have agreed to be governed is the United States Constitution, called ‘the law of the land.’

According to the Founders of our nation, and memorialized in our founding documents, our nation was based on individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.

America was America from 1789 to 1933....nearly a century and a half. The Constitution was in effect, and served as a guide for our government.



Mull this over:

To which should an American give his support, the Constitution, or to the current President of the moment?



2.The fateful year was 1937: up until that year the Congress of the United States conducted its business within the boundaries of seventeen enumerated powers granted under Article I Section 8 of the United States Constitution; these powers defined clearly the areas within which Congress could enact legislation including the allocation of funds and levying of taxes.

Anything not set down in the enumerated powers was considered outside the purview of the national government and hence, a matter for the states. There were occasional challenges to the concept but it was not until Franklin Roosevelt's new deal that it was attacked in deadly earnestness. The General Welfare Clause




3.In 1933, Fascism was celebrating its eleventh year in power, in Italy, and the election of the National Socialists in Germany represented an unmitigated defeat for liberal democracy in Europe’s largest industrialized nation.

At the beginning of the same month, FDR was inaugurated as President. And before Congress went into recess it granted powers to Roosevelt unprecedented in peacetime. From Congressional hearings, 1973: “Since March 9, 1933, the United States has been in a state of declared national emergency.” http://www.freedomsite.net/93-549.htm

4.During the Depression, FDR asked for an receive unprecedented powers. Some poorly crafted legislation went to the courts. The first of the new deal statutes to reach the Supreme Court for review, arrived in January 1935. In the sixteen months following, the court decided ten major cases or groups of cases involving new deal statutes. In eight instances out of ten the decisions went in favor of the United States Constitution and against the new deal. Eight of the ten pieces of "must legislation" were found to be unconstitutional. Ibid.



Under FDR’s threats to pack the court, they threw in the towel. In doing so, they said in effect, Congress would no longer be held to enumerated powers but instead could tax and spend for anything; so long as it was for "general welfare." The supreme court surrendered to the new deal on the most fundamental of constitutional issues.
The General Welfare Clause





5. Why would FDR, who had taken an oath to defend the Constitution, tear it asunder? Because he saw the success, the power, of his ‘friends’…the dictators, Hitler, Mussolini, and Stalin.
Because Roosevelt wanted nothing more than to swim with the sharks....to be one with the other dictators, not fight them.


It was a terrible decision for Roosevelt to have to choose between Stalin and Hitler....but he did.
" Fascism did not acquire an evil name in Washington until Hitler became a menace to·the Soviet Union."
Manly, "The Twenty Year Revolution," p. 48

Details to follow.


Warning: the violence done to the Constitution by Roosevelt is graphic. Viewer discretion is advised.

 

[Moonglow]

It was long before that try 1865..

 

[Toronado3800]

Died, it did, and, it wasn’t a natural death….it was a cold blooded, calculated, assassination by the Brutus called Franklin Roosevelt.




1.The only document by which American have agreed to be governed is the United States Constitution, called ‘the law of the land.’

According to the Founders of our nation, and memorialized in our founding documents, our nation was based on individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.

America was America from 1789 to 1933....nearly a century and a half. The Constitution was in effect, and served as a guide for our government.



Mull this over:

To which should an American give his support, the Constitution, or to the current President of the moment?



2.The fateful year was 1937: up until that year the Congress of the United States conducted its business within the boundaries of seventeen enumerated powers granted under Article I Section 8 of the United States Constitution; these powers defined clearly the areas within which Congress could enact legislation including the allocation of funds and levying of taxes.

Anything not set down in the enumerated powers was considered outside the purview of the national government and hence, a matter for the states. There were occasional challenges to the concept but it was not until Franklin Roosevelt's new deal that it was attacked in deadly earnestness. The General Welfare Clause




3.In 1933, Fascism was celebrating its eleventh year in power, in Italy, and the election of the National Socialists in Germany represented an unmitigated defeat for liberal democracy in Europe’s largest industrialized nation.

At the beginning of the same month, FDR was inaugurated as President. And before Congress went into recess it granted powers to Roosevelt unprecedented in peacetime. From Congressional hearings, 1973: “Since March 9, 1933, the United States has been in a state of declared national emergency.” http://www.freedomsite.net/93-549.htm

4.During the Depression, FDR asked for an receive unprecedented powers. Some poorly crafted legislation went to the courts. The first of the new deal statutes to reach the Supreme Court for review, arrived in January 1935. In the sixteen months following, the court decided ten major cases or groups of cases involving new deal statutes. In eight instances out of ten the decisions went in favor of the United States Constitution and against the new deal. Eight of the ten pieces of "must legislation" were found to be unconstitutional. Ibid.



Under FDR’s threats to pack the court, they threw in the towel. In doing so, they said in effect, Congress would no longer be held to enumerated powers but instead could tax and spend for anything; so long as it was for "general welfare." The supreme court surrendered to the new deal on the most fundamental of constitutional issues.
The General Welfare Clause





5. Why would FDR, who had taken an oath to defend the Constitution, tear it asunder? Because he saw the success, the power, of his ‘friends’…the dictators, Hitler, Mussolini, and Stalin.
Because Roosevelt wanted nothing more than to swim with the sharks....to be one with the other dictators, not fight them.


It was a terrible decision for Roosevelt to have to choose between Stalin and Hitler....but he did.
" Fascism did not acquire an evil name in Washington until Hitler became a menace to·the Soviet Union."
Manly, "The Twenty Year Revolution," p. 48

Details to follow.


Warning: the violence done to the Constitution by Roosevelt is graphic. Viewer discretion is advised.

I second some date during the Civil War. Mentioning FDR is just for drama sake and with other posts shows your preoccupation with him.

What's your take on the Homestead Act and similar programs from the previous century?

 

[Moonglow]

Died, it did, and, it wasn’t a natural death….it was a cold blooded, calculated, assassination by the Brutus called Franklin Roosevelt.




1.The only document by which American have agreed to be governed is the United States Constitution, called ‘the law of the land.’

According to the Founders of our nation, and memorialized in our founding documents, our nation was based on individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.

America was America from 1789 to 1933....nearly a century and a half. The Constitution was in effect, and served as a guide for our government.



Mull this over:

To which should an American give his support, the Constitution, or to the current President of the moment?



2.The fateful year was 1937: up until that year the Congress of the United States conducted its business within the boundaries of seventeen enumerated powers granted under Article I Section 8 of the United States Constitution; these powers defined clearly the areas within which Congress could enact legislation including the allocation of funds and levying of taxes.

Anything not set down in the enumerated powers was considered outside the purview of the national government and hence, a matter for the states. There were occasional challenges to the concept but it was not until Franklin Roosevelt's new deal that it was attacked in deadly earnestness. The General Welfare Clause




3.In 1933, Fascism was celebrating its eleventh year in power, in Italy, and the election of the National Socialists in Germany represented an unmitigated defeat for liberal democracy in Europe’s largest industrialized nation.

At the beginning of the same month, FDR was inaugurated as President. And before Congress went into recess it granted powers to Roosevelt unprecedented in peacetime. From Congressional hearings, 1973: “Since March 9, 1933, the United States has been in a state of declared national emergency.” http://www.freedomsite.net/93-549.htm

4.During the Depression, FDR asked for an receive unprecedented powers. Some poorly crafted legislation went to the courts. The first of the new deal statutes to reach the Supreme Court for review, arrived in January 1935. In the sixteen months following, the court decided ten major cases or groups of cases involving new deal statutes. In eight instances out of ten the decisions went in favor of the United States Constitution and against the new deal. Eight of the ten pieces of "must legislation" were found to be unconstitutional. Ibid.



Under FDR’s threats to pack the court, they threw in the towel. In doing so, they said in effect, Congress would no longer be held to enumerated powers but instead could tax and spend for anything; so long as it was for "general welfare." The supreme court surrendered to the new deal on the most fundamental of constitutional issues.
The General Welfare Clause





5. Why would FDR, who had taken an oath to defend the Constitution, tear it asunder? Because he saw the success, the power, of his ‘friends’…the dictators, Hitler, Mussolini, and Stalin.
Because Roosevelt wanted nothing more than to swim with the sharks....to be one with the other dictators, not fight them.


It was a terrible decision for Roosevelt to have to choose between Stalin and Hitler....but he did.
" Fascism did not acquire an evil name in Washington until Hitler became a menace to·the Soviet Union."
Manly, "The Twenty Year Revolution," p. 48

Details to follow.


Warning: the violence done to the Constitution by Roosevelt is graphic. Viewer discretion is advised.

I second some date during the Civil War. Mentioning FDR is just for drama sake and with other posts shows your preoccupation with him.

What's your take on the Homestead Act and similar programs from the previous century?

Next she'll say that FDR raped the Constitution..

 

[PoliticalChic]

Died, it did, and, it wasn’t a natural death….it was a cold blooded, calculated, assassination by the Brutus called Franklin Roosevelt.




1.The only document by which American have agreed to be governed is the United States Constitution, called ‘the law of the land.’

According to the Founders of our nation, and memorialized in our founding documents, our nation was based on individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.

America was America from 1789 to 1933....nearly a century and a half. The Constitution was in effect, and served as a guide for our government.



Mull this over:

To which should an American give his support, the Constitution, or to the current President of the moment?



2.The fateful year was 1937: up until that year the Congress of the United States conducted its business within the boundaries of seventeen enumerated powers granted under Article I Section 8 of the United States Constitution; these powers defined clearly the areas within which Congress could enact legislation including the allocation of funds and levying of taxes.

Anything not set down in the enumerated powers was considered outside the purview of the national government and hence, a matter for the states. There were occasional challenges to the concept but it was not until Franklin Roosevelt's new deal that it was attacked in deadly earnestness. The General Welfare Clause




3.In 1933, Fascism was celebrating its eleventh year in power, in Italy, and the election of the National Socialists in Germany represented an unmitigated defeat for liberal democracy in Europe’s largest industrialized nation.

At the beginning of the same month, FDR was inaugurated as President. And before Congress went into recess it granted powers to Roosevelt unprecedented in peacetime. From Congressional hearings, 1973: “Since March 9, 1933, the United States has been in a state of declared national emergency.” http://www.freedomsite.net/93-549.htm

4.During the Depression, FDR asked for an receive unprecedented powers. Some poorly crafted legislation went to the courts. The first of the new deal statutes to reach the Supreme Court for review, arrived in January 1935. In the sixteen months following, the court decided ten major cases or groups of cases involving new deal statutes. In eight instances out of ten the decisions went in favor of the United States Constitution and against the new deal. Eight of the ten pieces of "must legislation" were found to be unconstitutional. Ibid.



Under FDR’s threats to pack the court, they threw in the towel. In doing so, they said in effect, Congress would no longer be held to enumerated powers but instead could tax and spend for anything; so long as it was for "general welfare." The supreme court surrendered to the new deal on the most fundamental of constitutional issues.
The General Welfare Clause





5. Why would FDR, who had taken an oath to defend the Constitution, tear it asunder? Because he saw the success, the power, of his ‘friends’…the dictators, Hitler, Mussolini, and Stalin.
Because Roosevelt wanted nothing more than to swim with the sharks....to be one with the other dictators, not fight them.


It was a terrible decision for Roosevelt to have to choose between Stalin and Hitler....but he did.
" Fascism did not acquire an evil name in Washington until Hitler became a menace to·the Soviet Union."
Manly, "The Twenty Year Revolution," p. 48

Details to follow.


Warning: the violence done to the Constitution by Roosevelt is graphic. Viewer discretion is advised.

I second some date during the Civil War. Mentioning FDR is just for drama sake and with other posts shows your preoccupation with him.

What's your take on the Homestead Act and similar programs from the previous century?

I have seven panels prepared to prove my thesis.

Stay tuned.

 

[PoliticalChic]

6. Individual liberty is the fulfillment of the Founder's promise to build a nation with the 'rules,' the Constitution, slanted toward the individual and with restrictions on what government could do.
To which should an American give his support, the Constitution, or to the current President of the moment?

Progressive Woodrow Wilson made no secret of his desire to treat the Constitution thus:
“ …it could be stripped off and thrown aside like a garment,..."

Franklin Roosevelt actually did so.




To put that another way, acceptance of Progressive governance makes Democrat voters the "Duh, you always know what's best, boss" voters.

But there is a sense that New Deal Progressives knew there was a limit to what Americans would put up with....
...after all, they used the amendment process from article five to institute the income tax....
... and the amendment process gave women the right to vote....and for prohibition.


But….Franklin Roosevelt found a far simpler way to destroy the Constitution: control the Court.

As Coulter said: “The only limit on liberal insanity in this country is how many issues liberals can get before a court…A lot is at stake for liberals with the court. If they lose a liberal vote, they will be forced t fight political battles through a messy little system know as ‘democracy.’”

 

[Toronado3800]

6. Individual liberty is the fulfillment of the Founder's promise to build a nation with the 'rules,' the Constitution, slanted toward the individual and with restrictions on what government could do.
To which should an American give his support, the Constitution, or to the current President of the moment?

Progressive Woodrow Wilson made no secret of his desire to treat the Constitution thus:
“ …it could be stripped off and thrown aside like a garment,..."

Franklin Roosevelt actually did so.




To put that another way, acceptance of Progressive governance makes Democrat voters the "Duh, you always know what's best, boss" voters.

But there is a sense that New Deal Progressives knew there was a limit to what Americans would put up with....
...after all, they used the amendment process from article five to institute the income tax....
... and the amendment process gave women the right to vote....and for prohibition.


But….Franklin Roosevelt found a far simpler way to destroy the Constitution: control the Court.

As Coulter said: “The only limit on liberal insanity in this country is how many issues liberals can get before a court…A lot is at stake for liberals with the court. If they lose a liberal vote, they will be forced t fight political battles through a messy little system know as ‘democracy.’”

I think I'm saying:

Your fixation with FDR is oeculiar.

That big (probably correct) Republican decision toget the south back in the 1860's cleared and idea of what the word "state" meant in the United States.

Thanks for the insight into your "prepared panels" though. It clarifies why you don't answer questions or responds to new ideas in your threads.

 

[PoliticalChic]

7. So....why no amendments to allow government setting up the insurance plan known as Social Security?

Or changing the Contract Clause appears in the United States Constitution, Article I, section 10, clause 1....?

....or the thousand and one other invasions of government into private lives and the private economy?




"...1937-1942 took the nation on a different route, lifting the requirement that new government powers needed to be constitutionally ratified, and, instead, letting
Congress unilaterally authorize whatever new powers it wanted."
Charles Murray, p.27.”ByThePeople”

In 1937, the court buckled and ceased to act as the guardian of economic liberty, and as a limit on the extension of federal government power. It now upheld many New Deal measures.




8.It was August 14, 1935 when FDR signed the Social Security Act. As it was unassociated with any of the enumerated powers, the question as to whether the government could dun Americans for that purpose was put to the courts for a test.

The court case that delivered the coup de grace to the United States Constitution was Helvering v. Davis.

"Helvering v. Davis, (May 24, 1937)...a decision by the United States Supreme Court, which held that Social Security was constitutionally permissible as an exercise of the federal power to spend for the general welfare, .... It affirmed a District Court decree that held that the tax upon employees was not properly at issue, and that the tax upon employers was constitutional."
Helvering v. Davis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

a. Be clear: this decision was a direct contravention of the judicial understanding of the phrase "general welfare."
In one fell swoop, this rogue court destroyed the idea that the federal government was, in any way, limited in its spending authority.


Associate Justice Owen J. Roberts., writing in 1951, said in effect: "We voted against the Constitution to save the Court."


For the Court….but against the Constitution and against America.


Sooo….who do you support….America, or Progressives????

 

[Toronado3800]

7. So....why no amendments to allow government setting up the insurance plan known as Social Security?

Or changing the Contract Clause appears in the United States Constitution, Article I, section 10, clause 1....?

....or the thousand and one other invasions of government into private lives and the private economy?




"...1937-1942 took the nation on a different route, lifting the requirement that new government powers needed to be constitutionally ratified, and, instead, letting
Congress unilaterally authorize whatever new powers it wanted."
Charles Murray, p.27.”ByThePeople”

In 1937, the court buckled and ceased to act as the guardian of economic liberty, and as a limit on the extension of federal government power. It now upheld many New Deal measures.




8.It was August 14, 1935 when FDR signed the Social Security Act. As it was unassociated with any of the enumerated powers, the question as to whether the government could dun Americans for that purpose was put to the courts for a test.

The court case that delivered the coup de grace to the United States Constitution was Helvering v. Davis.

"Helvering v. Davis, (May 24, 1937)...a decision by the United States Supreme Court, which held that Social Security was constitutionally permissible as an exercise of the federal power to spend for the general welfare, .... It affirmed a District Court decree that held that the tax upon employees was not properly at issue, and that the tax upon employers was constitutional."
Helvering v. Davis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

a. Be clear: this decision was a direct contravention of the judicial understanding of the phrase "general welfare."
In one fell swoop, this rogue court destroyed the idea that the federal government was, in any way, limited in its spending authority.


Associate Justice Owen J. Roberts., writing in 1951, said in effect: "We voted against the Constitution to save the Court."


For the Court….but against the Constitution and against America.


Sooo….who do you support….America, or Progressives????

Do you think the Constitution gives states the right to leave the union? Or should I say, removes from them that right?

 

[PoliticalChic]

9. So...how to explain a 7-2 decision in Helvering v Davis?

Well, Cardozo admitted that precedent and history were being tossed: Founders be damned!
"Congress may spend money in aid of the 'general welfare'. There have been great statesmen in our history who have stood for other views. We will not resurrect the contest. It is now settled by decision. The conception of the spending power advocated by Hamilton and strongly reinforced by Story has prevailed over that of Madison, which has not been lacking in adherents." Benjamin Cardozo

Everyone should take notice of the phrase "settled by decision." This is the homage that Progressives pay to 'caselaw,' which reverses the idea that it is the Constitution that is meant to guide the nation! Somehow, unelected judges are of a higher authority than the memorializing document itself.





10. "The [Roosevelt] Court, having trashed the enumerated powers, then managed to make matters worse. Cardozo acknowledged that defining what constitutes 'general welfare' is a matter of discretion.

" There is a middle ground or certainly a penumbra in which discretion is at large. [Where else has this rationalization been used to imagine new laws?]
The discretion, however, is not confided to the courts. The discretion belongs to Congress, unless the choice is clearly wrong, a display of arbitrary power is not an exercise of judgment. "



In effect, the Progressive view is that Congress is free to spend any of taxpayers funds on what it deemed 'the general welfare.'

"And so the accepted interpretation of 'general welfare' was overturned in a stroke, without apology, and even with a sort of flippancy about the enormity of the reinterpretation that seven individuals had imposed on the nation's founding document." Charles Murray, "By The People," p.20-21



Roosevelt, and his subservient Court, stabbed the Constitution….and America….to death.

 

[Toronado3800]

NFL teams sometimes have a script for their first offensive plays.

Tell me when you are willing to answer questions. Even when I disagree I find your logic interesting. You've just been shy and coy hiding your opinions or answers to questions lately.

 

[PoliticalChic]

NFL teams sometimes have a script for their first offensive plays.

Tell me when you are willing to answer questions. Even when I disagree I find your logic interesting. You've just been shy and coy hiding your opinions or answers to questions lately.

"...you've just been shy and coy hiding your opinions..."


Are you slow-witted or simply nuts?

 

[Toronado3800]

NFL teams sometimes have a script for their first offensive plays.

Tell me when you are willing to answer questions. Even when I disagree I find your logic interesting. You've just been shy and coy hiding your opinions or answers to questions lately.

"...you've just been shy and coy hiding your opinions..."


Are you slow-witted or simply nuts?

Yes.

So about the Civil War. I say that's when the power of the Feds crossed the Constitutional line.

Mind tou I'm not debating if Lincoln was wrong, I wouldn't want to insult u by claiming a Republican team member of yours could ever be wrong.

Or is the way to think of the Civil War as the Southern States sure did have the right to leave and Lincoln had a right to an agressive war?

 

[PoliticalChic]

NFL teams sometimes have a script for their first offensive plays.

Tell me when you are willing to answer questions. Even when I disagree I find your logic interesting. You've just been shy and coy hiding your opinions or answers to questions lately.

"...you've just been shy and coy hiding your opinions..."


Are you slow-witted or simply nuts?

Yes.

So about the Civil War. I say that's when the power of the Feds crossed the Constitutional line.

Mind tou I'm not debating if Lincoln was wrong, I wouldn't want to insult u by claiming a Republican team member of yours could ever be wrong.

Or is the way to think of the Civil War as the Southern States sure did have the right to leave and Lincoln had a right to an agressive war?

Did Franklin Roosevelt deal a death blow to the Constitution...purposely and with aforethought....by seducing the Supreme Court?

 

[Toronado3800]

NFL teams sometimes have a script for their first offensive plays.

Tell me when you are willing to answer questions. Even when I disagree I find your logic interesting. You've just been shy and coy hiding your opinions or answers to questions lately.

"...you've just been shy and coy hiding your opinions..."


Are you slow-witted or simply nuts?

Yes.

So about the Civil War. I say that's when the power of the Feds crossed the Constitutional line.

Mind tou I'm not debating if Lincoln was wrong, I wouldn't want to insult u by claiming a Republican team member of yours could ever be wrong.

Or is the way to think of the Civil War as the Southern States sure did have the right to leave and Lincoln had a right to an agressive war?

Did Franklin Roosevelt deal a death blow to the Constitution...purposely and with aforethought....by seducing the Supreme Court?

I THINK it was already dead. Obviously just like Trump is gonna stack the court in his view's favor FDR did.

Were parts of the New Deal unconstitutional? I'm sure something was. By and large it did expand the Federal Government But no one who supports the post 9-11 surveilance acts can tell me it was.

What's your civil war take with it killing the Constitution as written?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The Civil War was not decided by SCOTUS

 

[busybee01]

Died, it did, and, it wasn’t a natural death….it was a cold blooded, calculated, assassination by the Brutus called Franklin Roosevelt.




1.The only document by which American have agreed to be governed is the United States Constitution, called ‘the law of the land.’

According to the Founders of our nation, and memorialized in our founding documents, our nation was based on individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.

America was America from 1789 to 1933....nearly a century and a half. The Constitution was in effect, and served as a guide for our government.



Mull this over:

To which should an American give his support, the Constitution, or to the current President of the moment?



2.The fateful year was 1937: up until that year the Congress of the United States conducted its business within the boundaries of seventeen enumerated powers granted under Article I Section 8 of the United States Constitution; these powers defined clearly the areas within which Congress could enact legislation including the allocation of funds and levying of taxes.

Anything not set down in the enumerated powers was considered outside the purview of the national government and hence, a matter for the states. There were occasional challenges to the concept but it was not until Franklin Roosevelt's new deal that it was attacked in deadly earnestness. The General Welfare Clause




3.In 1933, Fascism was celebrating its eleventh year in power, in Italy, and the election of the National Socialists in Germany represented an unmitigated defeat for liberal democracy in Europe’s largest industrialized nation.

At the beginning of the same month, FDR was inaugurated as President. And before Congress went into recess it granted powers to Roosevelt unprecedented in peacetime. From Congressional hearings, 1973: “Since March 9, 1933, the United States has been in a state of declared national emergency.” http://www.freedomsite.net/93-549.htm

4.During the Depression, FDR asked for an receive unprecedented powers. Some poorly crafted legislation went to the courts. The first of the new deal statutes to reach the Supreme Court for review, arrived in January 1935. In the sixteen months following, the court decided ten major cases or groups of cases involving new deal statutes. In eight instances out of ten the decisions went in favor of the United States Constitution and against the new deal. Eight of the ten pieces of "must legislation" were found to be unconstitutional. Ibid.



Under FDR’s threats to pack the court, they threw in the towel. In doing so, they said in effect, Congress would no longer be held to enumerated powers but instead could tax and spend for anything; so long as it was for "general welfare." The supreme court surrendered to the new deal on the most fundamental of constitutional issues.
The General Welfare Clause





5. Why would FDR, who had taken an oath to defend the Constitution, tear it asunder? Because he saw the success, the power, of his ‘friends’…the dictators, Hitler, Mussolini, and Stalin.
Because Roosevelt wanted nothing more than to swim with the sharks....to be one with the other dictators, not fight them.


It was a terrible decision for Roosevelt to have to choose between Stalin and Hitler....but he did.
" Fascism did not acquire an evil name in Washington until Hitler became a menace to·the Soviet Union."
Manly, "The Twenty Year Revolution," p. 48

Details to follow.


Warning: the violence done to the Constitution by Roosevelt is graphic. Viewer discretion is advised.

This is all nonsense. There are several fallacies in your arguments.

1. You seem to think the founding fathers were all seeing and all knowing and could see in the future. The world they lived in was much different than the world we lived in. There are challenges that the founding fathers never even contemplated and could never contemplate.

2. The size of the US has changed. When the Constitution was created, the US consisted of 13 states. Today the US goes north to south from Alaska to Texas. From east to west, Florida to Hawaii. That creates challenges that did not exist in the 1700's.

You claim to speak for the founding fathers yet you cannot. The times were completely. Thomas Jefferson wrote the Constitution yet as President he took on the Barbary pirates. He did not consider the Constitution a straitjacket.

 

[caddo kid]

Died, it did, and, it wasn’t a natural death….it was a cold blooded, calculated, assassination by the Brutus called Franklin Roosevelt.




1.The only document by which American have agreed to be governed is the United States Constitution, called ‘the law of the land.’

According to the Founders of our nation, and memorialized in our founding documents, our nation was based on individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.

America was America from 1789 to 1933....nearly a century and a half. The Constitution was in effect, and served as a guide for our government.



Mull this over:

To which should an American give his support, the Constitution, or to the current President of the moment?



2.The fateful year was 1937: up until that year the Congress of the United States conducted its business within the boundaries of seventeen enumerated powers granted under Article I Section 8 of the United States Constitution; these powers defined clearly the areas within which Congress could enact legislation including the allocation of funds and levying of taxes.

Anything not set down in the enumerated powers was considered outside the purview of the national government and hence, a matter for the states. There were occasional challenges to the concept but it was not until Franklin Roosevelt's new deal that it was attacked in deadly earnestness. The General Welfare Clause




3.In 1933, Fascism was celebrating its eleventh year in power, in Italy, and the election of the National Socialists in Germany represented an unmitigated defeat for liberal democracy in Europe’s largest industrialized nation.

At the beginning of the same month, FDR was inaugurated as President. And before Congress went into recess it granted powers to Roosevelt unprecedented in peacetime. From Congressional hearings, 1973: “Since March 9, 1933, the United States has been in a state of declared national emergency.” http://www.freedomsite.net/93-549.htm

4.During the Depression, FDR asked for an receive unprecedented powers. Some poorly crafted legislation went to the courts. The first of the new deal statutes to reach the Supreme Court for review, arrived in January 1935. In the sixteen months following, the court decided ten major cases or groups of cases involving new deal statutes. In eight instances out of ten the decisions went in favor of the United States Constitution and against the new deal. Eight of the ten pieces of "must legislation" were found to be unconstitutional. Ibid.



Under FDR’s threats to pack the court, they threw in the towel. In doing so, they said in effect, Congress would no longer be held to enumerated powers but instead could tax and spend for anything; so long as it was for "general welfare." The supreme court surrendered to the new deal on the most fundamental of constitutional issues.
The General Welfare Clause





5. Why would FDR, who had taken an oath to defend the Constitution, tear it asunder? Because he saw the success, the power, of his ‘friends’…the dictators, Hitler, Mussolini, and Stalin.
Because Roosevelt wanted nothing more than to swim with the sharks....to be one with the other dictators, not fight them.


It was a terrible decision for Roosevelt to have to choose between Stalin and Hitler....but he did.
" Fascism did not acquire an evil name in Washington until Hitler became a menace to·the Soviet Union."
Manly, "The Twenty Year Revolution," p. 48

Details to follow.


Warning: the violence done to the Constitution by Roosevelt is graphic. Viewer discretion is advised.

This is all nonsense. There are several fallacies in your arguments.

1. You seem to think the founding fathers were all seeing and all knowing and could see in the future. The world they lived in was much different than the world we lived in. There are challenges that the founding fathers never even contemplated and could never contemplate.

2. The size of the US has changed. When the Constitution was created, the US consisted of 13 states. Today the US goes north to south from Alaska to Texas. From east to west, Florida to Hawaii. That creates challenges that did not exist in the 1700's.

You claim to speak for the founding fathers yet you cannot. The times were completely. Thomas Jefferson wrote the Constitution yet as President he took on the Barbary pirates. He did not consider the Constitution a straitjacket.

Republicans certainly believe The Constitution is a straightjacket.

 

[PoliticalChic]

NFL teams sometimes have a script for their first offensive plays.

Tell me when you are willing to answer questions. Even when I disagree I find your logic interesting. You've just been shy and coy hiding your opinions or answers to questions lately.

"...you've just been shy and coy hiding your opinions..."


Are you slow-witted or simply nuts?

Yes.

So about the Civil War. I say that's when the power of the Feds crossed the Constitutional line.

Mind tou I'm not debating if Lincoln was wrong, I wouldn't want to insult u by claiming a Republican team member of yours could ever be wrong.

Or is the way to think of the Civil War as the Southern States sure did have the right to leave and Lincoln had a right to an agressive war?

Did Franklin Roosevelt deal a death blow to the Constitution...purposely and with aforethought....by seducing the Supreme Court?

I THINK it was already dead. Obviously just like Trump is gonna stack the court in his view's favor FDR did.

Were parts of the New Deal unconstitutional? I'm sure something was. By and large it did expand the Federal Government But no one who supports the post 9-11 surveilance acts can tell me it was.

What's your civil war take with it killing the Constitution as written?

Did the Supreme Court abrogate it's responsibility and its mandate by acquiescing to an unconstitutional agenda of Franklin Roosevelt?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Died, it did, and, it wasn’t a natural death….it was a cold blooded, calculated, assassination by the Brutus called Franklin Roosevelt.




1.The only document by which American have agreed to be governed is the United States Constitution, called ‘the law of the land.’

According to the Founders of our nation, and memorialized in our founding documents, our nation was based on individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.

America was America from 1789 to 1933....nearly a century and a half. The Constitution was in effect, and served as a guide for our government.



Mull this over:

To which should an American give his support, the Constitution, or to the current President of the moment?



2.The fateful year was 1937: up until that year the Congress of the United States conducted its business within the boundaries of seventeen enumerated powers granted under Article I Section 8 of the United States Constitution; these powers defined clearly the areas within which Congress could enact legislation including the allocation of funds and levying of taxes.

Anything not set down in the enumerated powers was considered outside the purview of the national government and hence, a matter for the states. There were occasional challenges to the concept but it was not until Franklin Roosevelt's new deal that it was attacked in deadly earnestness. The General Welfare Clause




3.In 1933, Fascism was celebrating its eleventh year in power, in Italy, and the election of the National Socialists in Germany represented an unmitigated defeat for liberal democracy in Europe’s largest industrialized nation.

At the beginning of the same month, FDR was inaugurated as President. And before Congress went into recess it granted powers to Roosevelt unprecedented in peacetime. From Congressional hearings, 1973: “Since March 9, 1933, the United States has been in a state of declared national emergency.” http://www.freedomsite.net/93-549.htm

4.During the Depression, FDR asked for an receive unprecedented powers. Some poorly crafted legislation went to the courts. The first of the new deal statutes to reach the Supreme Court for review, arrived in January 1935. In the sixteen months following, the court decided ten major cases or groups of cases involving new deal statutes. In eight instances out of ten the decisions went in favor of the United States Constitution and against the new deal. Eight of the ten pieces of "must legislation" were found to be unconstitutional. Ibid.



Under FDR’s threats to pack the court, they threw in the towel. In doing so, they said in effect, Congress would no longer be held to enumerated powers but instead could tax and spend for anything; so long as it was for "general welfare." The supreme court surrendered to the new deal on the most fundamental of constitutional issues.
The General Welfare Clause





5. Why would FDR, who had taken an oath to defend the Constitution, tear it asunder? Because he saw the success, the power, of his ‘friends’…the dictators, Hitler, Mussolini, and Stalin.
Because Roosevelt wanted nothing more than to swim with the sharks....to be one with the other dictators, not fight them.


It was a terrible decision for Roosevelt to have to choose between Stalin and Hitler....but he did.
" Fascism did not acquire an evil name in Washington until Hitler became a menace to·the Soviet Union."
Manly, "The Twenty Year Revolution," p. 48

Details to follow.


Warning: the violence done to the Constitution by Roosevelt is graphic. Viewer discretion is advised.

This is all nonsense. There are several fallacies in your arguments.

1. You seem to think the founding fathers were all seeing and all knowing and could see in the future. The world they lived in was much different than the world we lived in. There are challenges that the founding fathers never even contemplated and could never contemplate.

2. The size of the US has changed. When the Constitution was created, the US consisted of 13 states. Today the US goes north to south from Alaska to Texas. From east to west, Florida to Hawaii. That creates challenges that did not exist in the 1700's.

You claim to speak for the founding fathers yet you cannot. The times were completely. Thomas Jefferson wrote the Constitution yet as President he took on the Barbary pirates. He did not consider the Constitution a straitjacket.

I appreciate that you've actually put some thought into your response.

A pity that I have to pulverize same.


"1. You seem to think the founding fathers were all seeing and all knowing and could see in the future. The world they lived in was much different than the world we lived in. There are challenges that the founding fathers never even contemplated and could never contemplate."

Not true.
Judge Bork makes the point that Originalists can easily apply timeless constitutional commands to new technologies, such as wiretapping and television, and to changed circumstances, as suits for libel and slander. All the judge needs is knowledge of the core value that the Framers intended to protect. And, while we may not decide every case in the way the Framers would have, “entire ranges of problems will be placed off limits to judges, thus preserving democracy in those areas where the framers intended democratic government.”

If you are the typical government school grad, suggesting reading would be immediately scoffed at....but, I am the eternal optimist.

I suggest this: