Norman
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That is sort of the model that Social Security and Medicare has been based on since it started -- and even when it started, the same fear-mongering took place -- it didn't stop these 2 programs from being the 2 most successful and popular programs in history -- it doesn't stop so-called conservatives from holding up signs saying "Keep your government hands off my Medicare!!"It's not a matter of being good,and decent. In fact, to imply as much casts the opposite on those who espouse democratic,socialism.No matter how it’s cleverly spun or packaged ALL decent people hear it the same way.
“Provide me with shit that other people pay for...I’m entitled to free shit because I stand on U.S. soil.”
Do they realize NOBODY good and decent is shameless enough to make these types of requests?
I’m hoping the pitchmasters such as Mac1958 will weigh in here.
It's not their alleged goodness and decency that prevents them from doing jderstanding democratic socialism. In fact, plenty of good,and decent people would fight to hold on to the democratic socialism they enjoy, namely Social Security and Medicare.
What keeps them from understanding democratic socialism is their ignorance about what it actually means. Couple that ignorance with a steady diet of propaganda, and their understanding is even more entrenched.
If only reputable pundits were honest with these people,,we wouldn't be arguing points but honestly discussing them.
I am quite sure that, if asked in an unbiased manner, many people would agree that the kind of healthcare system enjoyed in every other industrialized nation would show real benefits here. Canada has universal healthcare, but the Canadian example is never proffered by biased pundits. Instead, they rant about Cuba, Venezuela and China. Are the Canadians as oppressed as the Venezuelans? Are the British as poor as the Cubans? Is there the same degree of freedom in Japan as there is in China?
Many would agree, if asked in an unbiased way, that community college or trade schools should be free of tuition so some may transfer those credits to other colleges or universities or begin a career in a trade. The cost of education is prohibitive now. But we all know that an educated population, a skilled population is vastly more competitive than populations with fewer educated and skilled citizens to fill a work force.
Just blaring the evils of socialism,without explaining the long term benefits hamstrings the discussion at best, and robs America of the potential,of its citizens at worst.
That’s your spin huh...you sticking with that?
I think we all know most don’t have a problem taking care of our elderly whom have paid their dues.
Why don’t you go ahead and try again.
When republicans can offer better alternatives that garner a majority of public support, they wont have to try so hard to demonize the program that is working.
Social security, medicare... successful? When?
Last time I checked they pay far less than equivalent investment to stock market and are over 100 trillions in debt.