When Lefties pitch Socialism do they realize what decent people hear?

[Tehon]

Lol
It’s pretty sad one has to depend on the collective to be happy…

I’m glad I don’t live in that village

You depend on the collective every day of your miserable life, you're just to stupid to understand it.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

No matter how it’s cleverly spun or packaged ALL decent people hear it the same way.
“Provide me with shit that other people pay for...I’m entitled to free shit because I stand on U.S. soil.”
Do they realize NOBODY good and decent is shameless enough to make these types of requests?
I’m hoping the pitchmasters such as Mac1958 will weigh in here.

Marx is decent people.


Quite apart from the analysis so far given, it was in general a mistake to make a fuss about so-called distribution and put the principal stress on it.

Any distribution whatever of the means of consumption is only a consequence of the distribution of the conditions of production themselves. The latter distribution, however, is a feature of the mode of production itself. The capitalist mode of production, for example, rests on the fact that the material conditions of production are in the hands of nonworkers in the form of property in capital and land, while the masses are only owners of the personal condition of production, of labor power. If the elements of production are so distributed, then the present-day distribution of the means of consumption results automatically. If the material conditions of production are the co-operative property of the workers themselves, then there likewise results a distribution of the means of consumption different from the present one. Vulgar socialism (and from it in turn a section of the democrats) has taken over from the bourgeois economists the consideration and treatment of distribution as independent of the mode of production and hence the presentation of socialism as turning principally on distribution. After the real relation has long been made clear, why retrogress again?
Critique of the Gotha Programme-- I

There really wouldn’t be any problem with socialism if it did not force everybody into the shit... But that is not how Socialism works if forces everybody whether they want to be part of it or not into the collective. So fuck your village

Our socioeconomic reality is in reality a social decision.

I'm forced to participate in a capitalist system.

And you live in a collective society, in spite of your irrational hatred of it.

The only problem is I run into from day today are formed by the collective…

And since the collective is a fraud... there you have it.

Perhaps you could share some examples of those "collective problems" that you run into.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Lol
It’s pretty sad one has to depend on the collective to be happy…

I’m glad I don’t live in that village

You depend on the collective every day of your miserable life, you're just to stupid to understand it.

By force.

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

I never said that, dope.

Actually you say it all the time, do you want to force people into the collective…?

Nope.

Socialism is all about forcing people into the collective/village

You're not forced into anything. No one is forcing you to use any program.

I am not forced to pay?

Taxes are not voluntary despite what you may think.

They are voluntary --- you just have to be willing to risk being sent to prison, but if you are really true to your principles, you will make that stand like a true Libertarian

How dare the government have a monopolization of force right?

 

[JWBooth]

No matter how it’s cleverly spun or packaged ALL decent people hear it the same way.
“Provide me with shit that other people pay for...I’m entitled to free shit because I stand on U.S. soil.”
Do they realize NOBODY good and decent is shameless enough to make these types of requests?
I’m hoping the pitchmasters such as Mac1958 will weigh in here.

If they gave a shit about decent people they wouldn’t push socialist notions.

Yeah . Don’t you just hate the VA? Lazy ass ex military folks need to get their own insurance like the rest of us!

That the best you can do?

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

No matter how it’s cleverly spun or packaged ALL decent people hear it the same way.
“Provide me with shit that other people pay for...I’m entitled to free shit because I stand on U.S. soil.”
Do they realize NOBODY good and decent is shameless enough to make these types of requests?
I’m hoping the pitchmasters such as Mac1958 will weigh in here.

Marx is decent people.


Quite apart from the analysis so far given, it was in general a mistake to make a fuss about so-called distribution and put the principal stress on it.

Any distribution whatever of the means of consumption is only a consequence of the distribution of the conditions of production themselves. The latter distribution, however, is a feature of the mode of production itself. The capitalist mode of production, for example, rests on the fact that the material conditions of production are in the hands of nonworkers in the form of property in capital and land, while the masses are only owners of the personal condition of production, of labor power. If the elements of production are so distributed, then the present-day distribution of the means of consumption results automatically. If the material conditions of production are the co-operative property of the workers themselves, then there likewise results a distribution of the means of consumption different from the present one. Vulgar socialism (and from it in turn a section of the democrats) has taken over from the bourgeois economists the consideration and treatment of distribution as independent of the mode of production and hence the presentation of socialism as turning principally on distribution. After the real relation has long been made clear, why retrogress again?
Critique of the Gotha Programme-- I

There really wouldn’t be any problem with socialism if it did not force everybody into the shit... But that is not how Socialism works if forces everybody whether they want to be part of it or not into the collective. So fuck your village

Our socioeconomic reality is in reality a social decision.

I'm forced to participate in a capitalist system.

And you live in a collective society, in spite of your irrational hatred of it.

The only problem is I run into from day today are formed by the collective…

And since the collective is a fraud... there you have it.

Perhaps you could share some examples of those "collective problems" that you run into.

He already did, commie.

Now take your commie ass to Venezuela, where your commie ass belongs.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

I never said that, dope.

Actually you say it all the time, do you want to force people into the collective…?

Nope.

Socialism is all about forcing people into the collective/village

You're not forced into anything. No one is forcing you to use any program.

LOL... correct. You're just forced to pay for them. Good point!

You still get the benefits if you wish.
There's nothing stopping you from investing above and beyond those programs.

 

[initforme]

Thankfully we have nothing in America that resembles socialism.

 

[BrokeLoser]

if only the Constitution wasn't so socialist

Haha...you silly twisted bastards believe “PROMOTE the general welfare” means good people MUST buy ShaQuita and DaShawn their weed and 40’s while they continue to expand their litters of money trees.

I’m certain our founders authored this part of the Bill specifically for ShaQuita and her baby daddy’s and illegal Guadalupe and all her anchors.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

They are voluntary --- you just have to be willing to risk being sent to prison

You and I have a different understanding of the word “voluntary.”

 

[Tehon]

Lol
It’s pretty sad one has to depend on the collective to be happy…

I’m glad I don’t live in that village

You depend on the collective every day of your miserable life, you're just to stupid to understand it.

By force.

You're forced to buy food from the store?

 

[Rustic]

Lol
It’s pretty sad one has to depend on the collective to be happy…

I’m glad I don’t live in that village

You depend on the collective every day of your miserable life, you're just to stupid to understand it.

Yes, parts of my life I do depend on the collective, I depend on them to make my life in parts miserable. I guess that’s just life…

There is the reason why I live in rural America, with the least possible interference by the collective...

I have been self-employed for 20+ years and been out of debt for about that same time, Homeschool my kids, Sell mining leases and timber leases along with firearms and ammo for a living, Never have purchased insurance in my life, and vote libertarian, Hunt and grow my own food…There is only so much one can do against the collective... that is true.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

That is sort of the model that Social Security and Medicare has been based on since it started -- and even when it started, the same fear-mongering took place -- it didn't stop these 2 programs from being the 2 most successful and popular programs in history -- it doesn't stop so-called conservatives from holding up signs saying "Keep your government hands off my Medicare!!"

When republicans can offer better alternatives that garner a majority of public support, they wont have to try so hard to demonize the program that is working.

Social Security and Medicare are socialist entitlement programs...
And currently far more people are taking far more out... far less people are putting far less in... every year.
That is socialism in a nut shell...

You can’t make something out of nothing… That being socialism

Social Security and Medicare are socialist entitlement programs...

Really?


You should start with the actual definition of socialism and work from there.

All socialism is the same… And leads to failure

No, it's not.

That's why I said you should start with the definition.

Actually it is, show us where Socialism has not failed long-term?

Show me one industrialized nation that does not care for the less fortunate.

 

[dblack]

They are voluntary --- you just have to be willing to risk being sent to prison, but if you are really true to your principles, you will make that stand like a true Libertarian

I've seen this argument before from liberals and I'm not sure what to make of it. Maybe you think it's clever, but it seems to point to a fundamental misconception of freedom. Voluntary means that no one is threatening you with force if you don't comply. Do you really not get that?

 

[JWBooth]

Actually you say it all the time, do you want to force people into the collective…?

Nope.

Socialism is all about forcing people into the collective/village

You're not forced into anything. No one is forcing you to use any program.

I am not forced to pay?

Taxes are not voluntary despite what you may think.

They are voluntary --- you just have to be willing to risk being sent to prison, but if you are really true to your principles, you will make that stand like a true Libertarian

How dare the government have a monopolization of force right?

When the coercive force of the state, imprisonment, is the hammer to force compliance then referring to taxes as voluntary is simply a lie.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Nope.

Socialism is all about forcing people into the collective/village

You're not forced into anything. No one is forcing you to use any program.

I am not forced to pay?

Taxes are not voluntary despite what you may think.

Derp. No one is forcing you to be dependent on SS or Medicare, dope.

Dumbfuck. We are forced to PAY for it. We can’t opt out of your bankrupt communist billshit.

Who's stopping you from investing beyond those programs?

 

[Norman]

So when should the tax cuts for the AR owners going to go on effect? How are we going to give money to the poor if there are almost no taxes to prevent the revolution by the AR owners?

Furthermore what makes you sure that this money is not used to conduct, not prevent the revolution? How does giving people money prevent it?

I don't know what you mean by AR.

As I said, we can choose to pay a little for insurance now, or we can self-insure. Obviously your preference is the latter.
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AR-15 owners.

It seems like my point went over your head. I was saying that we should insure against the AR-15 owners who pay massive amounts of taxes and get no return. Obviously, this is not a good deal for them, kicking some revolutionary ass would be a far better deal. So to prevent revolution we need to lower taxes and as such there won't be money to pay your insurance money. Good thing they got ARs and can protect themselves.

When I pay for long term care insurance, I realize that I may never get the benefits of the policy. I pay them anyway, because the risk mitigation is worth it to me.

Ignore the point, that's fine with me. I'm not trying to convince you of anything.
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Mac it seems you are still not understanding my point. My point is, why are you afraid of a revolution by guys living in the bedroom of their parents, when there are bunch of guy's in the country who are highly armed and have a far higher interest to revolt?

Not only that, your "insurance money" that they have to pay, is a reason for the revolt.

I don't know what that has to do with the point. I've already said this kind of revolution would be electoral, not violent. Guns have zero (0) to do with this.

When Americans have had enough, they revolt. At the ballot box.

Is that more clear?
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It's clear now, although the word usage is a bit unconventional. For example, by Americans you mean the leftist zombie hordes.

Those people will vote for more free shit anyway, so sure how giving them more free shit is going to help. Seems like the actual Americans are revolting and voting in Trump to keep the parasites of all sorts out of their wallets.

That being said I don't think your idea to give the bottom rung something is necessarily a bad one, but there must be some conditions... and it can't be the leftist style shake down where the bottom and upper classes aim to destroy the middle.

 

[Kilgore.t1]

I can’t imagine ever being lowdown enough to actually say the words....”Hey neighbor, you earn more money than I do...I think Father Government should make you make my car payment.”

Being that I'm new here, I could be jumping to unfounded conclusions, but so far all I'm seeing from you cons is strawman attacks. Really interesting is that in some of these (like this one), it's the strawman who wins.

 

[Rustic]

Social Security and Medicare are socialist entitlement programs...
And currently far more people are taking far more out... far less people are putting far less in... every year.
That is socialism in a nut shell...

You can’t make something out of nothing… That being socialism

Social Security and Medicare are socialist entitlement programs...

Really?


You should start with the actual definition of socialism and work from there.

All socialism is the same… And leads to failure

No, it's not.

That's why I said you should start with the definition.

Actually it is, show us where Socialism has not failed long-term?

Show me one industrialized nation that does not care for the less fortunate.

Forced charity is not the answer

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Show me one industrialized nation that does not care for the less fortunate.

Show us why we should give a single fuck.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Lol
It’s pretty sad one has to depend on the collective to be happy…

I’m glad I don’t live in that village

You depend on the collective every day of your miserable life, you're just to stupid to understand it.

Yep. He believes his no doubt paltry taxes paid for everything he uses.