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It would be simple math if it were in fact the way it is.
I've asked this one before, to only hear a roaring silence: Can you give some evidence of how the Geriatric Old Party has moved even a little bit toward what has been traditionally known as "the right"??
Also, your math might well work out if you look to the left in order to peel off a few knock-'em-over-with-a-feather squish "moderates" -who by their very description have no real core political beliefs- but what of the people who have been so alienated and disgusted with squishy sellout republicans that they're voting CP, LP, and/or are just staying home??
just TWO????It would be simple math if it were in fact the way it is.
I've asked this one before, to only hear a roaring silence: Can you give some evidence of how the Geriatric Old Party has moved even a little bit toward what has been traditionally known as "the right"??
Also, your math might well work out if you look to the left in order to peel off a few knock-'em-over-with-a-feather squish "moderates" -who by their very description have no real core political beliefs- but what of the people who have been so alienated and disgusted with squishy sellout republicans that they're voting CP, LP, and/or are just staying home??
Please list all the self-described moderate Republicans in the House and the Senate.
I count two self-described Republican moderates in the Senate.
And please list all elected Republicans who support abortion.
The fact that there is even the term "RINOs," let alone a systematic campaign to unseat them from within the party from the likes of The Club for Deficits, er, excuse me, The Club for "Growth", is all one needs to know about the direction of the party.
they've continually moved to the leftOK...So you're basing your opinion of what's "right wing" by self-describers in the Republican Party and the abortion issue?
Let me rephrase....What have any republican politicians actually done, insofar as legislative acts rather than campaign rhetoric are concerned, that leads you to this conclusion that they've moved to the right???
just TWO????It would be simple math if it were in fact the way it is.
I've asked this one before, to only hear a roaring silence: Can you give some evidence of how the Geriatric Old Party has moved even a little bit toward what has been traditionally known as "the right"??
Also, your math might well work out if you look to the left in order to peel off a few knock-'em-over-with-a-feather squish "moderates" -who by their very description have no real core political beliefs- but what of the people who have been so alienated and disgusted with squishy sellout republicans that they're voting CP, LP, and/or are just staying home??
Please list all the self-described moderate Republicans in the House and the Senate.
I count two self-described Republican moderates in the Senate.
And please list all elected Republicans who support abortion.
The fact that there is even the term "RINOs," let alone a systematic campaign to unseat them from within the party from the likes of The Club for Deficits, er, excuse me, The Club for "Growth", is all one needs to know about the direction of the party.
hell, i have two in the senate from MY stte
and they arent the only two
specterjust TWO????Please list all the self-described moderate Republicans in the House and the Senate.
I count two self-described Republican moderates in the Senate.
And please list all elected Republicans who support abortion.
The fact that there is even the term "RINOs," let alone a systematic campaign to unseat them from within the party from the likes of The Club for Deficits, er, excuse me, The Club for "Growth", is all one needs to know about the direction of the party.
hell, i have two in the senate from MY stte
and they arent the only two
Actually, they are the two I was thinking about. Could you name any other Republican Senators who call themselves moderates?
Wait a minute.....Actually, they are the two I was thinking about. Could you name any other Republican Senators who call themselves moderates?
Wait a minute.....Actually, they are the two I was thinking about. Could you name any other Republican Senators who call themselves moderates?
What does self-description have to do with any of this??
Barry Obolshevik ran as a tax cutter.
Bubba Clinton declared that "the era of big gubmint is over".
Socialists bristle and run like mad from the "liberal" tag, campaign like the next coming of Reagan, yet still govern like the socialists that they are....Likewise, republicans campaign like libertarians, and govern like the "liberals" they claim to oppose.
I fail t see how self-description is relevant.
Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, a potential presidential candidate in 2012, insisted he didn't want to pick a fight with Cheney. But Gingrich offered this advice: "I think Republicans are going to be very foolish if they run around deciding they're going to see how much they can purge us down to the smallest possible base."
JR,
You too must be a product of the USA education system for you are even more ignorant of facts than is Hairy Rectum. GDP is no measure of the wealth of a nations citizenry. How silly you are. I suggest you move to the Great White North and get some quality education. By the way, how does it feel living in the largest socialist cess-pool the world has ever known. My, my but how far the U nited S oviets of A merica has fallen.
There is an attack on the very principles that this nation was founded upon. But talking solely about who is economically superior there isn't even a discussion. As you very well know.
Yes, but we voted the miscreants out of office.
At the end of "Boogie Man", Rollins reveals that Lee's Bible was still in it's cellophane wrapper when they went through his things. He'd made a big thing of apologizing and even converted to Catholicism on his death bed. Rollins said he was playing games right at the end.Carter might have been a nice guy....but he was a wuss....ive known nice guys who were not wussies...Carter was in the Navy....so i thought he would at least have one ball in his sack.....and i would sure like to see this country start manufacturing things like we used to....
Do you know who Lee Atwater is? He was the Karl Rove before Rove was around. Lee was a son of a bitch.
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Without Lee Atwater, Reagan would have lost. He's even the guy who came up with Willie Horton to attack Dukakis.
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Do you have any real formal education?
Lee Atwater was a secondary advisor during the Reagan years. He did not ascend to heading an election campaign until HW Bush. During the Reagan years, Atwater worked under Ed Rollins - a noted moderate. Rollins considered Atwater overly aggressive at times, which was true. He was a rough n tumble political operative who did play a part in the now infamous (and very effective) Willie Horton furlough issue. (An issue that was originally brought up by then-Democrat Senator Al Gore during the primary campaign.)
To attempt to paint Reagan's overwhelming election victories in both 1980 and 1984, which rank among the most lopsided electoral victories in American history, as results of some secondary political advisor, is astounding in its absurdity. No, Reagan was a far greater political figure than your weak attempt here to minimilize his dominance of the American political landscape of the 1980s.
And by the way, the Dukakis campaign was a disaster - he was seen as weak on defense, weak on crime - basically another East Coast liberal. And Dukakis himself only furthered that image...
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Action, Toro, ACTION!!!!
Those assholes have talked and campaigned like libertarians since at least the day I was born.
At the end of "Boogie Man", Rollins reveals that Lee's Bible was still in it's cellophane wrapper when they went through his things. He'd made a big thing of apologizing and even converted to Catholicism on his death bed. Rollins said he was playing games right at the end.Do you know who Lee Atwater is? He was the Karl Rove before Rove was around. Lee was a son of a bitch.
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Without Lee Atwater, Reagan would have lost. He's even the guy who came up with Willie Horton to attack Dukakis.
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Do you have any real formal education?
Lee Atwater was a secondary advisor during the Reagan years. He did not ascend to heading an election campaign until HW Bush. During the Reagan years, Atwater worked under Ed Rollins - a noted moderate. Rollins considered Atwater overly aggressive at times, which was true. He was a rough n tumble political operative who did play a part in the now infamous (and very effective) Willie Horton furlough issue. (An issue that was originally brought up by then-Democrat Senator Al Gore during the primary campaign.)
To attempt to paint Reagan's overwhelming election victories in both 1980 and 1984, which rank among the most lopsided electoral victories in American history, as results of some secondary political advisor, is astounding in its absurdity. No, Reagan was a far greater political figure than your weak attempt here to minimilize his dominance of the American political landscape of the 1980s.
And by the way, the Dukakis campaign was a disaster - he was seen as weak on defense, weak on crime - basically another East Coast liberal. And Dukakis himself only furthered that image...
YouTube - Dukakis Tank Disaster 1988
Wasn't it a good documentary? I love it that right wingers miss all these shows because they refuse to watch "LIBERAL" stations like PBS.
And then they deny the facts that we learn because they think it is just liberal slant.
Little do they know, they interview Republicans too.
Bob Dole wanted to kill Lee Atwater.Much like McCain wanted to kill Rove I'm sure.
Lee was a son of a bitch for sure.
But all is fair in politics. Clearly his methods worked.
I have been a member of the Republican party all my life since I first voted for Barry Goldwater. However, this does not mean I have not voted for a qualified person for the office over the years. What does it mean to be a rebublican, well by today's standards depending on the what news media outlet you listen to the gap is very wide. If you happen to listen to the All Obama Network MSNBC then you would think a republican was someone who was plotting to steal your last dime in your jar you have hidden under your bed and gaurding the gates of the local emergency room to keep you from entering. If you listen to Fox then you would have a different view, to them a republican is someone who has to adhere to a rigid set of principles or else they don't belong in the club. So I prefer to make up my own mind as to where they are and answer the thread question this way. Here is one republican I am not going anywhere, I believe that the Govt. of this country has an obligation to its citizens that the constitution clearly states and the elected officials are nothing but stweards of the constitution to see that will of the people as it applies is carried out. I believe that the Fed. Govt. should be small and have limited responsiblities and only those that are expressed in the constitution! for example, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, etc. I do not belive the Govt, has, nor should it have the ability to interfere in the personal lives of its citizens no matter what that is. So for all those who are confused as to what it means to be a rebublican and have been getting their respective definitions from the news media, I thought perhaps a little perspective from a real republican would be a change. It hopefully will show that those that claim "this is what the party stands for" and all those who dont believe are exluded while assuming the mantle of the party by self annointment are meaningless. There are many many many good republicans that understand the founding principles of this nation and wish only the best for this nation and to see it prosper once again and remain strong and vital and free. So in the spirit of unity as our new president likes to boast so much about I would like the many out there who spend their time affixing labels to others to take a look at the very people they are labeling. Teachers, Police Officers, Soilders, Mothers, Fathers, Daughters, Sons, all of them republicans and think about it some before throwing them all in one pot.
Real Americans are sitting back waiting for you liberal idiots to run it into the dirt. (well
on the way), then, when people see what liberalism (socialism) does for them, we'll
regain power. This is just a process of people coming back to their senses.
