What would a socialist America look like?

Also, voluntarily quitting a job is not part of the natural rate of unemployment.
in right wing fantasy?

In federal doctrine and state law. Shouldn't we be legal in the way we distribute tax dollars?
it is about capitalism, and the laws of demand and supply. Compensation for capitalism's natural rate of unemployment is lawful and is more cost effective in any market based economy. Why increase the Cost of Government and take it out on the Poor, right wingers?

Also, you going on welfare does not increase the cost of gov't. The welfare system is set up for longer terms and greater volume.

And the poor? With the tax system we have in place, the poor pay little or no taxes. However, when businesses have to pay more payroll tax, they compensate by raising prices. Payroll taxes are part of the cost of doing business.
unemployment compensation is more cost effective than any form of means testing.

If unemployment compensation were to be changed so that there is no time limit and no requirement to seek work, there would be some sort of means testing added.

Why would you receive a check from the taxpayers if you have the means to support yourself?
 
Yes it is. You keep saying that like I am arguing with you about it.

But federal doctrine and state laws have limitations on unemployment compensation.
there can be no limit at-will employment; but the will of either party. Government cannot force someone to work under our at-will employment regime.

Not once have I suggested anyone be forced to work. But work is how we get our paychecks. You want a paycheck without working. That requires someone else work and give you the pay that they earned. So, in effect, YOU are forcing people to work against their will.
Compensation for Capitalism's natural rate of unemployment is equitable.

And welfare will do that.
no, it won't. that is not what it is for nor should it be. We already have the infrastructure in place and could be lowering the cost of Government in a market friendly manner.

Within the limitations of the unemployment compensation system. But if changed as you want, there would be a means test added. We, the tax payers, should not be forced to pay someone who has the means to support themselves. And the means test is simply a form the applicant fills out.
 
in right wing fantasy?

In federal doctrine and state law. Shouldn't we be legal in the way we distribute tax dollars?
it is about capitalism, and the laws of demand and supply. Compensation for capitalism's natural rate of unemployment is lawful and is more cost effective in any market based economy. Why increase the Cost of Government and take it out on the Poor, right wingers?

Also, you going on welfare does not increase the cost of gov't. The welfare system is set up for longer terms and greater volume.

And the poor? With the tax system we have in place, the poor pay little or no taxes. However, when businesses have to pay more payroll tax, they compensate by raising prices. Payroll taxes are part of the cost of doing business.
unemployment compensation is more cost effective than any form of means testing.

If unemployment compensation were to be changed so that there is no time limit and no requirement to seek work, there would be some sort of means testing added.

Why would you receive a check from the taxpayers if you have the means to support yourself?
why? being Poor is punishment enough. You have to right to put anyone in poverty without having committed some crime.
 
What? That is absolute nonsense.
how is demand or supply created?

nobody takes the right wing seriously about economics.

What you want is outside of supply and demand. It is pure socialism. You want to live off society without offering anything in return.
Compensation for Capitalism's natural rate of unemployment. It should be that simple under Any form of capitalism.

Only the right wing sayeth; Capitalism, what is That.

It is quite simple. And that is what welfare is for.
in right wing fantasy? why do we have any homeless.

That is a completely different topic. The welfare system cannot send check to someone with no address. And someone with no ID cannot cash a welfare check.
 
there can be no limit at-will employment; but the will of either party. Government cannot force someone to work under our at-will employment regime.

Not once have I suggested anyone be forced to work. But work is how we get our paychecks. You want a paycheck without working. That requires someone else work and give you the pay that they earned. So, in effect, YOU are forcing people to work against their will.
Compensation for Capitalism's natural rate of unemployment is equitable.

And welfare will do that.
no, it won't. that is not what it is for nor should it be. We already have the infrastructure in place and could be lowering the cost of Government in a market friendly manner.

Within the limitations of the unemployment compensation system. But if changed as you want, there would be a means test added. We, the tax payers, should not be forced to pay someone who has the means to support themselves. And the means test is simply a form the applicant fills out.
means testing is for those who know they will not be participating in the labor force.
 
In federal doctrine and state law. Shouldn't we be legal in the way we distribute tax dollars?
it is about capitalism, and the laws of demand and supply. Compensation for capitalism's natural rate of unemployment is lawful and is more cost effective in any market based economy. Why increase the Cost of Government and take it out on the Poor, right wingers?

Also, you going on welfare does not increase the cost of gov't. The welfare system is set up for longer terms and greater volume.

And the poor? With the tax system we have in place, the poor pay little or no taxes. However, when businesses have to pay more payroll tax, they compensate by raising prices. Payroll taxes are part of the cost of doing business.
unemployment compensation is more cost effective than any form of means testing.

If unemployment compensation were to be changed so that there is no time limit and no requirement to seek work, there would be some sort of means testing added.

Why would you receive a check from the taxpayers if you have the means to support yourself?
why? being Poor is punishment enough. You have to right to put anyone in poverty without having committed some crime.

The means test is not why you are poor.

What is wrong with a means test?
 
how is demand or supply created?

nobody takes the right wing seriously about economics.

What you want is outside of supply and demand. It is pure socialism. You want to live off society without offering anything in return.
Compensation for Capitalism's natural rate of unemployment. It should be that simple under Any form of capitalism.

Only the right wing sayeth; Capitalism, what is That.

It is quite simple. And that is what welfare is for.
in right wing fantasy? why do we have any homeless.

That is a completely different topic. The welfare system cannot send check to someone with no address. And someone with no ID cannot cash a welfare check.
it doesn't work. Compensation for Capitalism's natural rate of unemployment is market friendly.
 
it is about capitalism, and the laws of demand and supply. Compensation for capitalism's natural rate of unemployment is lawful and is more cost effective in any market based economy. Why increase the Cost of Government and take it out on the Poor, right wingers?

Also, you going on welfare does not increase the cost of gov't. The welfare system is set up for longer terms and greater volume.

And the poor? With the tax system we have in place, the poor pay little or no taxes. However, when businesses have to pay more payroll tax, they compensate by raising prices. Payroll taxes are part of the cost of doing business.
unemployment compensation is more cost effective than any form of means testing.

If unemployment compensation were to be changed so that there is no time limit and no requirement to seek work, there would be some sort of means testing added.

Why would you receive a check from the taxpayers if you have the means to support yourself?
why? being Poor is punishment enough. You have to right to put anyone in poverty without having committed some crime.

The means test is not why you are poor.

What is wrong with a means test?
it has nothing to do with the legal concept of employment at the will of either party.
 
Not once have I suggested anyone be forced to work. But work is how we get our paychecks. You want a paycheck without working. That requires someone else work and give you the pay that they earned. So, in effect, YOU are forcing people to work against their will.
Compensation for Capitalism's natural rate of unemployment is equitable.

And welfare will do that.
no, it won't. that is not what it is for nor should it be. We already have the infrastructure in place and could be lowering the cost of Government in a market friendly manner.

Within the limitations of the unemployment compensation system. But if changed as you want, there would be a means test added. We, the tax payers, should not be forced to pay someone who has the means to support themselves. And the means test is simply a form the applicant fills out.
means testing is for those who know they will not be participating in the labor force.

And that is exactly what you are advocating with your redesigned unemployment compensation. You have talked about quitting a job voluntarily and not getting another one. These are two of the criteria for you wanting to change the system.
 
Also, you going on welfare does not increase the cost of gov't. The welfare system is set up for longer terms and greater volume.

And the poor? With the tax system we have in place, the poor pay little or no taxes. However, when businesses have to pay more payroll tax, they compensate by raising prices. Payroll taxes are part of the cost of doing business.
unemployment compensation is more cost effective than any form of means testing.

If unemployment compensation were to be changed so that there is no time limit and no requirement to seek work, there would be some sort of means testing added.

Why would you receive a check from the taxpayers if you have the means to support yourself?
why? being Poor is punishment enough. You have to right to put anyone in poverty without having committed some crime.

The means test is not why you are poor.

What is wrong with a means test?
it has nothing to do with the legal concept of employment at the will of either party.

It has to do with tax dollars being used to pay someone who can support themselves.
 
Compensation for Capitalism's natural rate of unemployment is equitable.

And welfare will do that.
no, it won't. that is not what it is for nor should it be. We already have the infrastructure in place and could be lowering the cost of Government in a market friendly manner.

Within the limitations of the unemployment compensation system. But if changed as you want, there would be a means test added. We, the tax payers, should not be forced to pay someone who has the means to support themselves. And the means test is simply a form the applicant fills out.
means testing is for those who know they will not be participating in the labor force.

And that is exactly what you are advocating with your redesigned unemployment compensation. You have talked about quitting a job voluntarily and not getting another one. These are two of the criteria for you wanting to change the system.
Compensation for capitalism's natural rate of unemployment is my story. Means testing is for those for whom solving for a natural rate of unemployment, may not be enough.
 
unemployment compensation is more cost effective than any form of means testing.

If unemployment compensation were to be changed so that there is no time limit and no requirement to seek work, there would be some sort of means testing added.

Why would you receive a check from the taxpayers if you have the means to support yourself?
why? being Poor is punishment enough. You have to right to put anyone in poverty without having committed some crime.

The means test is not why you are poor.

What is wrong with a means test?
it has nothing to do with the legal concept of employment at the will of either party.

It has to do with tax dollars being used to pay someone who can support themselves.
Providing for the general welfare is a reason for the power to tax.
 
OP.... Exactly like today except with Health Care Day Care Living wage paid parental leave, good vacations and infrastructure, cheap college and training, taxing the rich more like their fair share, an SS ID card to stop illegal work and thus illegal immigration. Basically get us up to about 5th in happiness instead of 23. Then Daniel can get training for his dream job and have a 5 week vacation so he can see the world. Just like in every other modern successful socialist country. Merry Christmas and happy holidays to all.
 
If unemployment compensation were to be changed so that there is no time limit and no requirement to seek work, there would be some sort of means testing added.

Why would you receive a check from the taxpayers if you have the means to support yourself?
why? being Poor is punishment enough. You have to right to put anyone in poverty without having committed some crime.

The means test is not why you are poor.

What is wrong with a means test?
it has nothing to do with the legal concept of employment at the will of either party.

It has to do with tax dollars being used to pay someone who can support themselves.
Providing for the general welfare is a reason for the power to tax.

And if someone can take care of themselves, they should not expect to be paid additional money from taxes.
 
why? being Poor is punishment enough. You have to right to put anyone in poverty without having committed some crime.

The means test is not why you are poor.

What is wrong with a means test?
it has nothing to do with the legal concept of employment at the will of either party.

It has to do with tax dollars being used to pay someone who can support themselves.
Providing for the general welfare is a reason for the power to tax.

And if someone can take care of themselves, they should not expect to be paid additional money from taxes.
We already have unemployment compensation and welfare for the unfortunate. And that's not going anywhere. Now we need, see last post, Fair intelligent always democratic socialist capitalism.
 
OP.... Exactly like today except with Health Care Day Care Living wage paid parental leave, good vacations and infrastructure, cheap college and training, taxing the rich more like their fair share, an SS ID card to stop illegal work and thus illegal immigration.
Awesome! Government everywhere, all the time! It's an authoritarian wet dream.
 
OP.... Exactly like today except with Health Care Day Care Living wage paid parental leave, good vacations and infrastructure, cheap college and training, taxing the rich more like their fair share, an SS ID card to stop illegal work and thus illegal immigration.
Awesome! Government everywhere, all the time! It's an authoritarian wet dream.
What a fear mongered pile of crap... Since unions and the greatest generation are no longer around basically, we need the government to protect and uplift the Non rich. For 35 years now you fools have been voting for a giveaway to the rich, and to screw yourselves. Wake up and smell the coffee, brainwashed functional moron.
 
OP.... Exactly like today except with Health Care Day Care Living wage paid parental leave, good vacations and infrastructure, cheap college and training, taxing the rich more like their fair share, an SS ID card to stop illegal work and thus illegal immigration.
Awesome! Government everywhere, all the time! It's an authoritarian wet dream.
What a fear mongered pile of crap... Since unions and the greatest generation are no longer around basically, we need the government to protect and uplift the Non rich. For 35 years now you fools have been voting for a giveaway to the rich, and to screw yourselves. Wake up and smell the coffee, brainwashed functional moron.

MOAR 'LAWS! MOAR GOVERNMENT!

How can I live my life correctly if the government isn't there to tell me how?
 

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